Author Topic: Rock & Surf with a grinder (Read 52892 times)

Fritz · « **on:** May 12, 2011, 12:10:39 PM »

Guys lets use this thread to discus the rods and reels that are are used for fishing R&S. It is a fairly new way of doing it " at least at the standerd we are doing it now " . We never had the grinders and rods we have now in the earlier years.

For one I have just bought a setup from Gremlins and will receive it early next week." just in time for the next commen "

My rod is a one piece HMG 400/6. The reel I got is the new Ultegra 14000 with jigman braid. I am still new to this game and would like to know what you guys think.

We want your opinions on the rods and the reels.

WalkersKiller · « **Reply #1 on:** May 12, 2011, 12:16:40 PM »

Ive always fished a grinder R&S i just love it so much, but hey thats just me... For scratching I use a Kingfisher Stimulator (which im going to get modified soon with a bigger eye and longer butt) and Daiwa Opus 6000 with 25lb XX and for shark fishing and other non ed fishing I use a Loomis Sharkey 9 ounce with a Daiwa Opus 6000 +... Its really an awesome grinder and value for money it must be right up there!

Fritz · « **Reply #2 on:** May 12, 2011, 12:53:13 PM »

I have the same rod for my scratching but use a Ultegra 5500 with 30bl jigman on that.

My real interest is on the bigger set up.

@ Action Man , I know you are watching this thread so please put your views down asswell.

Homie · « **Reply #3 on:** May 12, 2011, 12:56:54 PM »

Fritz, can you post some pics of these setups please !

Been pondering this !

WalkersKiller · « **Reply #4 on:** May 12, 2011, 01:03:14 PM »

@ Homie, this is my scratching setup with a gully shark caught on the setup... Its an awesome way to fish bru!

Fritz · « **Reply #5 on:** May 12, 2011, 01:14:51 PM »

@ Homie .
Dont have a pic of the rod as yet Rob is still building my rod. I will post as soon as I have it. Let me find a pic of the grinder for you.

Action Man · « **Reply #6 on:** May 12, 2011, 01:17:55 PM »

I love this style of fishing! it is by far the best experience.

As for rods and reels go I have used many as I do alot of testing for tackle shops and have tried out most of the rods and reels used for this style of fishing.

The rods I own are the T-flex /6+1, Poeseidon 4 magnum and Assassin Medium Surf.

The T-flex is by far the best rod I have come across for this style of fishing as it has an HMG base and mid section and a standard graphite tip so the casting action is unbelievable and becuase of the HMG base and mid it has alot of pulling power and I have bullied some lovely fish withthis stick.

The Poseidon 4 was the first heavy rod I ever bought and has sentimental value to me. Saying this it is still a very nice rod for this application as I use it as an all round rod from catching blacktail to sharks. It can handle anything you throw at it and can also take a beating! This rod has also a lovely casting action and is 3 piece rod.

The Medium Surf was my favourite rod until I broke the tip one day when I triped over my rod. From that that it was never the same but still have alot of pulling power but I use it mainly for scratching in competition.

The reels are another story all together. Have tried almost all of them and Besides the Stella 18000 the best reel for me is the Shimano Ultegra 14000. Yes I prefer this reel over the Saltiga Surf 6000 as it casts alot better and it handles wading better to. The drsg on the saltiga tends to stick when wet but yet to experience this with the Ultegra and I do alot of wading. The reels I have tried and tested include the new Daiwa and Mitchel reels.

The braid is a tough one as there are alot of very nice braids on the market. Most expensive being the Jigman but it is also very nice braid. But to me the braid that has proven it self to be the best value for money and is superb braid is the HMP braid. I have my 14000 spool on my Ultegra spooled with Jigman and must say the HMP is as good as the Jigman if not better because of the price you get it at. Even better is that it is manufactured here in S.A.
It comes in 300m spools and cost about R330. I use the 50lb x8 as my top shot and the 50lb x4 as backing. The 10000 sized spool take 600m perfectly and the costs about R570 to fill it to the top with the HMP braid. Compared to the R1450 it would cost for Jigman and whiplash on the 14000 spool as it takes 650m

I use this set up every where I go and have caught fish over 100kg on it. The only place I dont use it that much is in some places in the Transkei like 'The Gap' as I got hurt there one day fishing for hammers and hooked a 60 odd kilo Grey an it broke me in the deep water! If you havnt got much experince fighting big fish with Braid dont take the chance until you gain a bit more experince as you will get more hurt than the fish trust me

Action Man · « **Reply #7 on:** May 12, 2011, 01:21:53 PM »

Fritz I didnt even answer your question. lol

The rod you got is an Awesome rod, prefer the one piece sticks with the grinder find the action of the rod more suited for the braid.

Just make sure if you not having a flip guide put on the bottom they put the bottom 2 guides upside down like the rods we used couple years ago for com-cakes

Fritz · « **Reply #8 on:** May 12, 2011, 01:33:35 PM »

Shot Stef.

They are putting on a flip guide so it should be allright.

Here are the pics of the reels Homie.

Fritz · « **Reply #9 on:** May 12, 2011, 01:38:57 PM »

I have heard the guys say that it would be better to get a 1 piece instead of a 3 piece for that very reason.

Homie · « **Reply #10 on:** May 12, 2011, 01:39:54 PM »

Looks solid !

The thing about the rods, is for a gringer, i prefer a longer butt, makes casting easier !

Also, something to remember when using a CG on a rod designed for a multiplier... sooner or later there will be some issues.
A multiplier rod has the eyes on the spine of the rod, and a CG rod has the eyes opposite the spine !

Action Man · « **Reply #11 on:** May 12, 2011, 01:43:58 PM »

Homie this isnt for spinning.

You cast this set up exactly the same as you cast a multiplier the only difference is that you have to get use to using the bionic finger. That little contraption is awesome!

There is a new Ultegra on the market it the Ci4...basically the frame is made of a carbon type of material making it lighter and there also a couple added bearings. Same drag and gears tho so you paying an extra R900 for not much differnce if you ask me

Action Man · « **Reply #12 on:** May 12, 2011, 01:47:21 PM »

Quote from: Homie on May 12, 2011, 01:39:54 PM

Looks solid !

The thing about the rods, is for a gringer, i prefer a longer butt, makes casting easier !

Also, something to remember when using a CG on a rod designed for a multiplier... sooner or later there will be some issues.
A multiplier rod has the eyes on the spine of the rod, and a CG rod has the eyes opposite the spine !

It really does not make that much of a difference. Plus a good rod builder would know this that is why they ask what you using the rod for and build it accordinly

Homie · « **Reply #13 on:** May 12, 2011, 01:47:59 PM »

Quote from: Action Man on May 12, 2011, 01:43:58 PM

Homie this isnt for spinning.

I know ! Think about what i said.
On a MP rod, the eyes are on the spine coz the curve is away from the eyes/spine. Now if you use the same rod with a CG and you on, the eyes are still on the spine, but it is now bending the opposite way to what it was designed for.

Homie · « **Reply #14 on:** May 12, 2011, 01:49:11 PM »

Yup, if you building customs then 100% ! Rodbuilder will know this.

But off the shelf ???

Action Man · « **Reply #15 on:** May 12, 2011, 01:52:29 PM »

Quote from: Homie on May 12, 2011, 01:49:11 PM

Yup, if you building customs then 100% ! Rodbuilder will know this.

But off the shelf ???

Then the sales guy screwing you over as he shouldnt be selling you a rod built for a multiplier to use for a grinder. The rods built up for the grinder off the shelf are built specially for it. I know cause I ran the workshop at Basils for a while and overlooked all of the manufacturing of Assasin rods

REEFMAN · « **Reply #16 on:** May 12, 2011, 01:55:23 PM »

Great thread this!

Action - great info there... cred to you.

Must agree with Homie... every blank has a spine... so if you're using a multiplier rod with a cg, it will work, but it's bending in the opposite direction of it's strength, and must affect the strength of the rod in the long term, especially fishing for non-eds. Custom built or dedicated spinning-type blank is the way to go.

Action Man · « **Reply #17 on:** May 12, 2011, 02:08:41 PM »

Quote from: REEFMAN on May 12, 2011, 01:55:23 PM

Great thread this!

Action - great info there... cred to you.

Must agree with Homie... every blank has a spine... so if you're using a multiplier rod with a cg, it will work, but it's bending in the opposite direction of it's strength, and must affect the strength of the rod in the long term, especially fishing for non-eds. Custom built or dedicated spinning-type blank is the way to go.

The blank is the same the rod is just built differently so the guides are on the oppossite side of the spine. This gives it a better action for casting with the grinder

Homie · « **Reply #18 on:** May 12, 2011, 02:09:44 PM »

Quote from: Action Man on May 12, 2011, 01:52:29 PM

Then the sales guy screwing you over as he shouldnt be selling you a rod built for a multiplier to use for a grinder.

Totally agree.... thats why I posted that... so we know better, and not get shafted by smooth-talking salesmen !

Lichia amia · « **Reply #19 on:** May 12, 2011, 02:16:29 PM »

@ Stef

Can you get the T-flex rod off the shelve or is it a custom rod ?