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Targeting GT from the shore
« on: October 21, 2010, 11:25:49 AM »
Hey guys,


Whats the best way to do this ?
What live baits work best ?
Size hooks and hooksnoots ?


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Re: Targeting GT from the shore
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2010, 11:40:11 AM »
Homie;
it all depends wnere you are fishing?
from the surf with no rocks, they can easibly landed on 0.50mm line.
i have found, that in the st lucia area live shad works best.
dead shad will also do.
there after will i use alternatives like pompano, yellowfin bream etc.
make sure the hooks are sharp and strong at least a 7o kendal, nothing less or daiichi 60 and 80.

from the bricks, thicker line at least 0.60mm and at least 80 kendals.
tjokka, tjokka prawn combo, crayfish etc all good baits.

just my 2c

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Re: Targeting GT from the shore
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2010, 12:00:48 PM »
Thanks Sea sick !

Would love to get one at Vidal ! Omly problem is, is that Shad season is closed when we there !

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Re: Targeting GT from the shore
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2010, 12:21:25 PM »
Homes, you chopp!
maybe you missed post no 4 on this thread?

http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php/topic,2425.msg25486.html#msg25486

And did you know there is a search function on this site?  duh I urge you to become familiar with it...  :hyst:

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Re: Targeting GT from the shore
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2010, 12:25:24 PM »
Homes, you chopp!
maybe you missed post no 4 on this thread?

http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php/topic,2425.msg25486.html#msg25486

And did you know there is a search function on this site?  duh I urge you to become familiar with it...  :hyst:

Here is a whole article on it...

http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php/topic,1007.msg8775.html#msg8775




 duh duh duh
Bwahahahaha !


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Re: Targeting GT from the shore
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2010, 12:27:06 PM »
But I'm still waiting for the Shore angling Kingfish guru to add his knowledge and experience here... he has written articles on this subject many times.... Tommo... where are you bru?

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Re: Targeting GT from the shore
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2010, 12:58:22 PM »
Homie;

it's also said; a kingie knows every rock in the ocean. if the kingie cannot find a rock, 3 other kingies will then bring the rock to that kingie. just so that you can be reefed.

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Re: Targeting GT from the shore
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2010, 01:01:16 PM »
Hey Reefz, I have always done it the hard way... I love to throw plugs for GT's, so will put my 5c worth in here.

GT's like to come close inshore to feed on a strongly pushing tide, particularly when the sea is on the rough side. They like a lot of milky, foamy water to hunt in. When these conditions coincide with low light (Dawn and Dusk) then you should be on the money. Fish around and over the ledges where the water is rushing, even if it is shallow, you will be surprised how shallow those big GT's will come in. It is advisable to get to the spot you plan on fishing in the dark and cast your poppers while it is still dark in the early morning. I know it sounds strange, but GT's will find it and smash it in the pitch dark. You will sometimes hear them smashing the baitfish. By 7am it is often all over. The same in the evening, keep fishing until it is pitch dark, don't stop when it starts to get dark, you can fish until around 9pm, depending on the tides. I find the best day in a month cycle, tide wise is the second day after the new moon spring tide. This gives you the highest tide movement and the tides are at good times for the GT's.
The best poppers to use are those that float at rest and have a cup face (chuggers), these can be worked fairly slowly, as long as they are given a good rip through the water to create a great deal of noise, splash smoke trail etc. You can give them a couple of seconds rest between rips. It is often good to start the retrieve that way after the popper has landed. Give it a hard rip, then rest it for 2 seconds, repeat that three times, then start a retrieve where you bloop the popper with a regular twitching action. These plugs work really well when the GT's are fairly close in, as they are not designed for long casting, more for their excellent action in the water. Large Chisel nosed plugs, such as Aubrey Da Gama's are also excellent and create a lot of splash, making them very attractive. It is a good idea to take a selection of different shaped plugs for different conditions. You may want a few narrower chisel plugs that you can throw into the wind if there is a big North Easter Blowing.
You will need the strongest leader you can use when fishing from the side. The GT's are most likely to be hooked over or very close to the ledges, and they will cut you off, given half a chance. A twisty leader or wind on leader is a must. Use only the strongest hooks, split rings etc as well, these GT's put your tackle under huge pressure. If you feel the GT get into the rocks it is not a bad idea to loosen your drag quickly and just keep minimum tension, he will move away fromn the rocks and with no tension on the line it is less likely to be cut. You can tighten up again once he is out over the sand. I normally spin with my drag set hard to stop him reaching the edge of the ledge, but if I can't stop him, then I quickly loosen up as described above.
If there is no surface action at all, then you can throw spoons. These rigged with a hsingle on top and one on the bottom can work very well for GT's, particularly when retrieved with a whipping action on the rod, a bit like working a jig.
If no action on lures then try live baits. Again strong tackle, fish your livie around milky water where the water washes off the ledges, you don't normally need a long cast. Shad are ideal, rigged with two big singles (8/0) and don't use wire, just fluorocarbon, it is very abrasion resistant.

I hope that helps

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Re: Targeting GT from the shore
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2010, 01:08:20 PM »
Tommo
What size spinning reel is needed to tackle GT's with poppers from the side and what braid would you reconmend?

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Re: Targeting GT from the shore
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2010, 01:18:51 PM »
Hi Poenskop, it depends on whether the area to be fished is rocky or not. The Maputaland coast, Vidal, Sodwana upwards is rocky (where the GT's are) and I wouldn't use less than 80lb braid, preferably 100lb. For that you need a fairly large reel as you will need some line capacity. In Shimano reels nothing smaller than a 10 000 would be suitable for GT's in those conditions.
Up in Moz, where you can target GT's from sandy beaches you can get away with an 8000 size reel with 50lb braid on it.
I have been very happy with Power pro braid, I find that it is good value, it retains its strength and casts well.

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Re: Targeting GT from the shore
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2010, 01:56:49 PM »
Thanks for the info, coz I definitely also want to have a go for a Kingie or 2.

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Re: Targeting GT from the shore
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2010, 01:59:11 PM »
Thanks for the info Tommo :tkx:

I think I will have to do some shopping then.

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Re: Targeting GT from the shore
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2010, 02:00:58 PM »
Hey Reefz, I have always done it the hard way... I love to throw plugs for GT's, so will put my 5c worth in here.

GT's like to come close inshore to feed on a strongly pushing tide, particularly when the sea is on the rough side. They like a lot of milky, foamy water to hunt in. When these conditions coincide with low light (Dawn and Dusk) then you should be on the money. Fish around and over the ledges where the water is rushing, even if it is shallow, you will be surprised how shallow those big GT's will come in. It is advisable to get to the spot you plan on fishing in the dark and cast your poppers while it is still dark in the early morning. I know it sounds strange, but GT's will find it and smash it in the pitch dark. You will sometimes hear them smashing the baitfish. By 7am it is often all over. The same in the evening, keep fishing until it is pitch dark, don't stop when it starts to get dark, you can fish until around 9pm, depending on the tides. I find the best day in a month cycle, tide wise is the second day after the new moon spring tide. This gives you the highest tide movement and the tides are at good times for the GT's.
The best poppers to use are those that float at rest and have a cup face (chuggers), these can be worked fairly slowly, as long as they are given a good rip through the water to create a great deal of noise, splash smoke trail etc. You can give them a couple of seconds rest between rips. It is often good to start the retrieve that way after the popper has landed. Give it a hard rip, then rest it for 2 seconds, repeat that three times, then start a retrieve where you bloop the popper with a regular twitching action. These plugs work really well when the GT's are fairly close in, as they are not designed for long casting, more for their excellent action in the water. Large Chisel nosed plugs, such as Aubrey Da Gama's are also excellent and create a lot of splash, making them very attractive. It is a good idea to take a selection of different shaped plugs for different conditions. You may want a few narrower chisel plugs that you can throw into the wind if there is a big North Easter Blowing.
You will need the strongest leader you can use when fishing from the side. The GT's are most likely to be hooked over or very close to the ledges, and they will cut you off, given half a chance. A twisty leader or wind on leader is a must. Use only the strongest hooks, split rings etc as well, these GT's put your tackle under huge pressure. If you feel the GT get into the rocks it is not a bad idea to loosen your drag quickly and just keep minimum tension, he will move away fromn the rocks and with no tension on the line it is less likely to be cut. You can tighten up again once he is out over the sand. I normally spin with my drag set hard to stop him reaching the edge of the ledge, but if I can't stop him, then I quickly loosen up as described above.
If there is no surface action at all, then you can throw spoons. These rigged with a hsingle on top and one on the bottom can work very well for GT's, particularly when retrieved with a whipping action on the rod, a bit like working a jig.
If no action on lures then try live baits. Again strong tackle, fish your livie around milky water where the water washes off the ledges, you don't normally need a long cast. Shad are ideal, rigged with two big singles (8/0) and don't use wire, just fluorocarbon, it is very abrasion resistant.

I hope that helps

Great info Tommo... :tkx:

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Re: Targeting GT from the shore
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2010, 02:04:54 PM »
Thanks for the info Tommo... hmmmmmm looks like i'll have to do a bit of shopping as well.. :tkx:

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Re: Targeting GT from the shore
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2010, 08:34:46 AM »
Just a quick add,

If youre angling off the beach, look for structure even if it is beach formation.

In my opinion I always look for structure on a beach, there is two things to consider while looking for structure on a beach (not a rocky point):

1) Scattered Reef: If there is scattered reef in the broken up and placed in various positions, always think like a GT...He needs camoflarge, needs a escape route and an entry point, so I look for white water rolling over scattered reef with a channel or deeper hole on either side. The thought behind this is that the GT will enter the "feeding zone or shallow water" from the channels that hold deeper water, they will rush along that "Feeding Zone" and exit into deeper water again. If you are fishing with a live bait, always put the bait on the edge of the white water where the GT will be hunting.

2) Sandy Beach: The structure I look for on a sandy beach is similar to the above, camoflarge, entry point and exit point...Look for channels that run from the backline to the shore break (Deeper Holes & Channels)between two sand banks and ear off to run parallel to the beach between the outside bank and shore line, these will be your entry points, I have found the Big GT's come into the channels from the backline and rush along the shallow white water and inside channels and afterr they have scanned the area then they shoot back into the channels until they are ready to rush again or change to another bank...

In my opinion if you are sliding a live bait or throwing a bait you need to place that bait in the working water on the edge of the bank and the channel. Make sure the bait is in the working water, the more oxygen in the water the more active the GT's are. Just be careful of churning sand, some sand is ok but not the best. Soft Rolling white water full of oxygen is the best.

If you are fishing in the dark dont be too worried about the size of your hooks with a live bait, Bonefish, Wave Garrick, and small kingfish...Dont be scared about the size of your bait either, I have caught Kingfish of 15kgs with a 2kg bait....they really have no respect, and huge mouths....I have one hook solid through the top lip and one half to 3/4 done the side of the fish....please fish with a barbless hook, after all this hard work you will want to release this fish alive and strong. If you are fishing during the day, use flouro and smaller hooks to increase bite rate, he's a very shrewd and clever fish.

I have put much time into catching these Bully's in the past few years as it really is that rewarding, such a great fighter that can mash tackle with ease......

Have fun.....................let us know how you go...........

 

 

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