Why should I migrate to using grinders?

[Kwaaijanvis]

Howsit Jan,


Welcome to Ultimate.


Like Fishatic said, in the competitive angling world, you tend to fish faster because there is no down time with overwinds and such. Plus it is slightly easier to cast a big bait with a grinder so this make fishing faster and easier.


Aside from that, grinders have evolved and are very high tech these days compared to the grinders of say the early to mid 2000's when multiplier's were still the number one choice. There are a lot of features on grinders that trump the multiplier e.g.: stronger drags, larger line capacities, ease of casting as even a novice can fish these with relative ease etc etc.


On the subject of purpose built rods, you are correct. A rod has to be built for a grinder reel for you to be able to use that rod and reel combo. You wont be able to chuck a grinder onto multiplier rod. It just wont work as well as a properly built grinder rod. Its a long conversation in respect of why.


Braided lines have become more popular in accordance with the grinder reel's popularity but it has various other benefits. No stretch, lighter, thinner diameter than equivalent mono. You can pack more line of greater breaking strength on your reel. braided lines are not only for grinders. Like Fishatic alluded to, some of us here use it on multipliers straight on.


What I mean is a lot of people use it as backing but some crazy people here use braid straight on as a mainline. Our reels are off course modified accordingly but that's another long story.


Enjoy your stay and shout if you need to ask anything else..:)

Thanks Kes, is it a realistic option to have a rod built? Where could I find someone who is good at building rods for grinders? I am able to get blanks used for the Purglass Executive rods?


Thanks


Jan

A custom built rod is the business bud. I modify all my rods when I'm not building from scratch, some even rebuild/modified straight off the shelf.


The guy that builds all my rods is my recommendation. He is very good but he is a bit of a tosser.. :)


His name is Brandon but goes by Fishatic on this forum. He has replied on this topic. Give him a shout and he will sort you out.

Thanks, I have sent Fishatic a PM.


Jan

[FishStyx]

Not sure that a PM will get to him (unless the site has changed) but if you don't get hold of him here, I'm sure he will get back to you with contact details shortly.

[Kes]

Not sure that a PM will get to him (unless the site has changed) but if you don't get hold of him here, I'm sure he will get back to you with contact details shortly.

True.. I forgot about that..

[Kes]

To add, casting lighter baits and lures is easier with a grinder, such as when using a bung float for shad


I was once bait fishing off the rocks with my 12ft grinder rod with a 5 oz tip and 6500 size grinder and saw a school of shad smash bait fish infront of me. I didn't have a dedicated spinning rod with me, but I had a couple of 1 oz spoons with me, so I quickly put a spoon on and threw for those shad. The rod and reel were not ideal for the spoons but I could throw far enough to get into the school and before long I had two bus shad at my feet. I wouldn't have been able to do that with a multiplier, I would've gotten an overwind in short order because of the lighter weight spoons. Grinders give you more options. They are more versatile in my mind


In terms of servicing, some people say they are more complicated than multipliers, but really it's more of a different approach to how you go about taking a grinder apart to service it, not necessarily more difficult. It's just a different learning curve if you are used to multipliers

In respect of the bold bit, you are 100% correct. You have to be a very astute multiplier user to cast a lure with it eg: the legends of Rooikrantz. Those guys always used multipliers to spin. Even the guys there today still use multipliers.


It takes a lot of practise to spin with an ordinary off-the-shelf multiplier but it can be done. But some of us here use technology so enter magnetic cast control and now your spoon can fly miles sometime even further than the guys with grinders. 

[Kwaaijanvis]

I would also strongly suggest you get a bionic finger (because I always tend to forget my casting glove at home  )


They are like R100 and you can use cable ties to fix it to your rod.


The other thing braid likes cutting other than mono is fingers 

OK, I tried with a 14’ Assassin Bluefish rod with bionic finger, Daiwa 4500 and 25lbs braid. My performance was poor...., first cast lost the 5oz sinker to the sea and subsequent casts with 4oz sinker barely took my white muscle bait into the surf! all I managed to catch were two pieces of plastic.... and no, I did not catch and release! I clearly have much to learn with this method of casting? How does one select the grinder reel size, with matching rod, line, sinker for rock and surf for edibles?

[Kes]

I would also strongly suggest you get a bionic finger (because I always tend to forget my casting glove at home  )


They are like R100 and you can use cable ties to fix it to your rod.


The other thing braid likes cutting other than mono is fingers 

OK, I tried with a 14’ Assassin Bluefish rod with bionic finger, Daiwa 4500 and 25lbs braid. My performance was poor...., first cast lost the 5oz sinker to the sea and subsequent casts with 4oz sinker barely took my white muscle bait into the surf! all I managed to catch were two pieces of plastic.... and no, I did not catch and release! I clearly have much to learn with this method of casting? How does one select the grinder reel size, with matching rod, line, sinker for rock and surf for edibles?

For edibles you are looking at a rod that has a casting weight of at least 6oz. In theory, this will allow you to use a 5oz sinker max and leave you 1oz for bait. I say in theory because most rods these days can cast more than their rated spec. But all in all a 6oz rod should do fine for edibles.


On a 6oz rod you should be looking at a 4500-5000 size reel (Daiwa size) or a 5000-6500 size Penn. 300m of 30lb braid and some backing should be sufficient for these reels.

[fishatic]

The 14' Bluefish is rated to max 4oz and bait.
What 4500 Daiwa have you got? BG?
1. Use a 4oz sinker.
2. Have you got a heavy-ish braid casting leader set up?4oz will pop 25lb braid pretty easily. I would suggest 60-80lb braid for the leader; ask the shop you purchased from to set it up and show you what to do to tie on a new one.

[2bar.boost]

The 14' Bluefish is rated to max 4oz and bait.
What 4500 Daiwa have you got? BG?
1. Use a 4oz sinker.
2. Have you got a heavy-ish braid casting leader set up?4oz will pop 25lb braid pretty easily. I would suggest 60-80lb braid for the leader; ask the shop you purchased from to set it up and show you what to do to tie on a new one.

I recently moved from multiplier to grinder and bought a bluefish 14ft, BG5000 with 35lb JDB 0.18mm. 80lb JDB leader
Really loving it for eds. After a good amount off casting practice with the bionic finger,
I cast much further than on my heavy multiplier gear.

[johnenkarinvantonder]

Having read the pro's and cons of  vs   I would like to ask a few questions. All of my angling experience  over years have been with
   and only occasionally have I used  reels to catch live bait or squid. I fished competitively for many years as well and even when comparing the differences and opinions of many anglers I will most probably not change over to grinders. Iv'e spent to much money on equipment over the years and now these days i only concentrate on edibles and only compete on a social standing. I have read and seen fellow anglers fishing braid straight up on a multiplier. Obviously an expensive option since i suppose backing would be cheaper. I am correct with this assumption?  I am considering using braid on one of my small Daiwa 30 reels. These little reels cast a mile and the reason I would want to do this is to be able to fish in holes between the kelp. Braid cuts trough kelp and you are able to retrieve a fish and your tackle should you get stuck specially when fishing for Galjoen and Hotties. On the other hand the Braid will help to get the distance on those windy days with a long cast. I fish a purglas 400/2 with a Daiwa 30. What backing and braid should I use? Are there any changes to rod and reel that I need to make. On the rod most probably the guides? Any advise on braid, backing, leaders etc would really be helpfull.


Thank you all for such informative posts. Keep up the good work.

[fishatic]

if you can find it, the "old" Fireline in 30lb is very good for this.

Actual dia is around 0.37mm, breaks at around 70lb (some say higher...)

Easy to unpick when you do make a mistake as it is slightly stiff / has a bit of body.

Casts well.

If I recall correctly I magged a Saltist 30 for Mike Pike and specifically filled it with 30lb Fireline, takes a 300yd spool + a bit of mono underneath to grab the spool

You could use Sufix 832 in 40lb .37-ish mm 65lb BS

[FishStyx]

So sad that Fireline is no longer made... It was my out and out "go to" for many years.

[johnenkarinvantonder]

Thank you guys, I appreciate your replies.

[Kent]

  ..Let me share with what I posted in response to someone giving a review on a coffee....




..Ok..sorry , Im not sure who Alan is and respect to him or rather no dis respect to him...[/size]BUT coffees are over complicated pieces of ....that demand exorbitant prices ...I mean really , IF one thinks about it , its not even a real fishing reel , I mean its so alien as to fishing , they are not of this world ...I think they originate from a planet where its inhabitants do not have thumbs...I mean the Scarborough legends , with their amazing casting actions , who frequented the KZN South coast all those years ago , must be cringing in their graves OR covering their faces , those that are still with us ...when they see a complete novice go from NO to PRO in one fell swoop of a maxed out credit at a local tackle shop and walk out looking more blinging out than a hip hop pop star on opening night...Lets look at this a bit...Sooo...should you fork our 3k on a multiplier , lets say a sized 40 reel and now while I may not be too in tune with prices these days BUT 3k will get you more than a decent reel , please correct me if I am wrong....NOW with this reel and lets not get into rods right now coz thats a WHOLE different bun fight alltogether...you will be able to go scratching...then go for EDs with bait AND still be able to go gooi some lures....NOW is the time to remeber ..WHILE fishing kit has , so called improved , reels n rods etc etc...the fish have just plodded on and the kob your grandfather caught in 1960 id the same type of kob you will catch today in 2020...I mean the kobbies havent morhed into some 16V twin turbo machine OR now they breed and have evolved with 4 100kw Tesla elecric motors attached to tail and pec fins...Nooooo....BUT we now need a reel for micro fishing...a reel for kob between 1kg and 5kg...then another coffee for 6kg to 10kg and so on n on....AND lets not touvh the rods as i said as we may overload the Sealine servers here!!!...Sooo...chommie has got his multiplier , new , and he is happly fishing along and catching here n there and even the odd nice sized sharks...ENTER chommie 2 and he sees multiplier chommie and says ..hey bru Im gonna get me the BRAND new settle coffee ..its this n that and does that n this...off he goes and 3k later comes back with this shiny orb that got more plastic than n Asian car...whikle multiplier chommie is quietly fishing away and getting his odd fish here n there,,,Coffee chommie is out n about and get himself all in a knot as he has his first experience with braid and wind...Sooo..after a frustrating 3 hours on his first session he packs up n goes home ...moers all the kit in his garage and does not give that new coffee even a hint of some freshwater...That evening he is off to a chommies place for a lekker braai and some cold ales and the host chommies chommies are also there and now the host chommie is DA MAN coz he has been out with that LEGEND Boeps and we all know Boeps certainly knows his way around a shark or 2 and he certainly knows his way around multipliers especially the BIG BOYS....NOW...this braai is getting in the groove ...fire is in full swing about 3 or 4 ales behind the wind and the meat is out and salads are slowly being brought forward...not quite chow time BUT the fishing talk is in the mix...Coffee chommie is all about his first session and jislaaik ..these new grinders are the BOMB... de ....Host chommie ..BOOM..suddenly cuts the convo and tunes..wag..ek gan uithaal en wys!!....he is into his garage and comes out carrying the lister piston in his hand ...the other chommies are LIKE ...WOW!!!...He puts this BRUTE of a Lister on the table and its ooohhs...n aahhhs...jire my boet whats the PSI on this thing>>???...whats the drag pressure in pounds on this thing>>???...whats the line capacity with and without TOP SHOT ...??? and so it goes on for eternity until someone says ..hey bru the coals are ready...A quick round of fresh ales are opened and the chommies move to the fire and the meat is one SSSzzz...Host chommkie calls them closer in a huddle ...he tunes ...ouens...this winch ..pulled a grey this morning...and now lets not forget ..while it was a grey ,,it was all of 4kgees...And the other chommies are like...Nooooooo...Host chommies says ..ouens ...THIS has to be a must in your tackle box ...he then pulls them even in closer into the huddle...435 meters of line !!!!...thats what this baby can hold...35kg drag!!!...this baby will pull your Ford rager my boeta!!!Now the WOWs go to %$#@!!!...Host chommie pulls them now ever closer ...ouens get to the tackle shop NOW...they on special ..I got mine last week for 15k......Noooo..comes the response...and already Coffee chommie is brain is working out what and extra 15k will do to the payment on his bond!!!...Anyhow..the meat is good ...very good and the ladies did a BEAUT job with the salads and while everyone is chilling with a lekker brandy n coke one of the chommies happens to be checking his FB and says ..HEY ouens check this out...There is a pic of multiplier chommie posing with a lekker 2okg odd sweety and a short vid of the release...Well the braai chommies say their good byes and each one now is skeeming...jislaaik...15k ...a bit above my pay grade BUT I NEED that reel to get me that big grey...Well...true story???....I leave that up to you...

[fishatic]

..Let me share with what I posted in response to someone giving a review on a coffee....


....lets say a sized 40 reel and now while I may not be too in tune with prices these days BUT 3k will get you more than a decent reel , please correct me if I am wrong....NOW with this reel and lets not get into rods right now coz thats a WHOLE different bun fight alltogether...you will be able to go scratching...then go for EDs with bait AND still be able to go gooi some lures.......the kob your grandfather caught in 1960 is the same type of kob you will catch today in 2020...I mean the kobbies havent morphed into some 16V twin turbo machine ....BUT we now need a reel for micro fishing...a reel for kob between 1kg and 5kg...then another coffee for 6kg to 10kg and so on and so on....

Kent,

Please throw a 1 or 1.5oz plug on your 40 size multiplier filled with 0.50mm mono. Whilst it is technically possible it is not fun.

Before you think I am advocating fixed spool over a multiplier, I am not:

1. A small multiplier say 20 or 30 size is heaps of fun with lures and bait
2. Most anglers could scale back the size of their tackle and have more fun, do you really need a 40 size to catch a kob? Really?

[Lenny]

Well . The area you fish in , kleimond .


Any 10 ft stick , with either  a grinder or small multiplier , will be the best option in that specific area .


Amongst a few buddies , on die plaat , we have not yet gone the grinder route on heavier tackle .


One of the main reasons , we will end up , servicing grinders a lot , keep in mind we might fish 5 sessions a week in season ...


I would say , maintance on your grinders are advanced , multipliers you can service them easily .


Comparing , what you get for your money. A multiplier will be cheaper .


I fish with many smaller grinders , from 6000 size to 2500 , Stradics and are suburb reels for spinning and lighter situations .


I can ad some many  things still .

[Kent]

..Let me share with what I posted in response to someone giving a review on a coffee....


....lets say a sized 40 reel and now while I may not be too in tune with prices these days BUT 3k will get you more than a decent reel , please correct me if I am wrong....NOW with this reel and lets not get into rods right now coz thats a WHOLE different bun fight alltogether...you will be able to go scratching...then go for EDs with bait AND still be able to go gooi some lures.......the kob your grandfather caught in 1960 is the same type of kob you will catch today in 2020...I mean the kobbies havent morphed into some 16V twin turbo machine ....BUT we now need a reel for micro fishing...a reel for kob between 1kg and 5kg...then another coffee for 6kg to 10kg and so on and so on....

Kent,

Please throw a 1 or 1.5oz plug on your 40 size multiplier filled with 0.50mm mono. Whilst it is technically possible it is not fun.

Before you think I am advocating fixed spool over a multiplier, I am not:

1. A small multiplier say 20 or 30 size is heaps of fun with lures and bait
2. Most anglers could scale back the size of their tackle and have more fun, do you really need a 40 size to catch a kob? Really?

See now...and not start a bun fight...I actually do throw half ounce to max 2,5 oz spoons with my SL30 loaded with 12,5 kg mono....whats the fun you say??...well the fun is actually hooking and landing the kobbie...BTW...you doing that kobbie no good by playing him for hours on , say 4kg braid and a 6foot rod with a 30 size coffee ...rather release him green than all tuckered out...THAT being said ...hooking and landing a kobbie on spoon with a single hook takes a bit skill I tell you...its not all ruk n pluk...BUT...then again IF its JUST the catching is what its all about...WELL then Im certainly not in that league at all....

[fishatic]

..Let me share with what I posted in response to someone giving a review on a coffee....


....lets say a sized 40 reel and now while I may not be too in tune with prices these days BUT 3k will get you more than a decent reel , please correct me if I am wrong....NOW with this reel and lets not get into rods right now coz thats a WHOLE different bun fight alltogether...you will be able to go scratching...then go for EDs with bait AND still be able to go gooi some lures.......the kob your grandfather caught in 1960 is the same type of kob you will catch today in 2020...I mean the kobbies havent morphed into some 16V twin turbo machine ....BUT we now need a reel for micro fishing...a reel for kob between 1kg and 5kg...then another coffee for 6kg to 10kg and so on and so on....

Kent,

Please throw a 1 or 1.5oz plug on your 40 size multiplier filled with 0.50mm mono. Whilst it is technically possible it is not fun.

Before you think I am advocating fixed spool over a multiplier, I am not:

1. A small multiplier say 20 or 30 size is heaps of fun with lures and bait
2. Most anglers could scale back the size of their tackle and have more fun, do you really need a 40 size to catch a kob? Really?

See now...and not start a bun fight...I actually do throw half ounce to max 2,5 oz spoons with my SL30 loaded with 12,5 kg mono....whats the fun you say??...well the fun is actually hooking and landing the kobbie...BTW...you doing that kobbie no good by playing him for hours on , say 4kg braid and a 6foot rod with a 30 size coffee ...rather release him green than all tuckered out...THAT being said ...hooking and landing a kobbie on spoon with a single hook takes a bit skill I tell you...its not all ruk n pluk...BUT...then again IF its JUST the catching is what its all about...WELL then Im certainly not in that league at all....

Ok ok, its a heap of fun to debate merits of multiplier vs fixed spool set ups, but who said I was using a 30 size grinder and 4kg braid?
These are some of my multipliers that get used for plugs, spoons, bucktails, scratching and even thowing kob baits....

Some are filled with 40-50lb braid, others with 9-11kg mono. The little bitty baitcaster without a levelwind will be filled with 15lb Nanofil for fishing, it has .25mm mono on it now for vergooi of 18g plastic sinkers to about 100m.

[fishatic]

And for some old School fun.......

[fishatic]

BUT, I have grinders too. From big 14k to small 3k