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General Angling Topics => Shore Angling => Topic started by: Shivaan on October 17, 2013, 06:32:10 AM
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Hi guys
Not sure if anyone has started a thread like this before but here goes...
Any info on this type of fishing would be great.
eg. What type of structure to look for to fish in, weather, baits used, traces, etc.
Show us your proud catches although each catch should be a proud one :-).
Happy fishing guys :tite
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Shivaan most of the time you wont be specifically targeting rays. Generally you will pick these fish up while sliding baits. Therefore your standard slide trace of 150lb-200lb steel and 2x 8/0 or 10/0 hooks.
However at certain times of the year the diamond rays do come to zululand beaches in huge numbers. At this time of year it is probably worth specifically targeting these fish. What most anglers will use is a single 8/0 hook and a mono trace of .8mm to 1mm. This is fished as a fixed throw bait trace. If you like you can also add a short steel bite trace of 10-15 cm of 60-90lb. This is because the milkies, greys andspinner sharks tend to enjoy the same areas and tend to wreck your trace line. You will also want to change your sinker if possible. When the ray feeds if it lands on your sinker and feels the prick og your wires it may swim off. So if current allows go for a cone.
Most non eds will tend to feed best after 2or 3 days of NE wind in summer. You want some colour in the water at least. The best is when the colour comes from the sea not muddy river water
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Oh and baits. I like to use head baits lot. Particularly if you use the head as base and wrap them with some nice fleshy fillets. Generally I think of rays as the scavengers of the sea so any bait stands a chance of being picked up
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I have successfully targeted Blue Rays in the Eastern Cape during daylight and night time hours and caught quite a few. My best success has been on Mullet head and mullet fillets. When I throw for these fish I throw over a sandbank adjacent to a hole, sometimes just a small rip, havent caught massive fish but my biggest blue is 8kgs and it was awesome!
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Thanks Half-Pint... some really useful info. waiting for some good weather here in durbs to get some line out. its been a case of good weather during the week and as weekend approaches... :rain:
@walkers... nice ray there :bow:
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If you're targetting Skates and Rays in KZN, a softbait often is best because of their soft mouths... not talking about Black Pylies here, rather Brown Skates, Blue spots, Diamonds, Honeycombs...
http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=703.0 (http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=703.0)
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Thanks Reefman.
Are the Black Pylies the huge ones?
Which are the ones without the Barbs?
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Skates have no barbs. Rays does, and are filled with potent protein poisen, in other words dont touch.
I dont know ur area at all unfortunatly. Our prominent species here in cape area ar
e black , blue stingray and eagle and duckbill rays, and the spearnose skate en biscuit skate.
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I rate the best bait for a flatfish is a fresh fish head, mackrel/bonnie will work very well. I use a throw bait with a steel snoot and a 8/0 hook through the lips of the fish head, just in case something big and toothy picks you up. A mackie flap-bait caught my biggest sandy at Kosi last November, so that's my preferred bait.
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Hi Weedeater
Would the throwbait not be too heavy to cast?
Would a fish head wrapped in fillets also be a good bait to use?
Also, how well does chokka work for flatfish?
Sorry for all the questions, really want to fight a ray or skate.
Thanks for all the info guys
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this blue of 11,3kg was caught yesterday on a kob bait...pillchard&chokka combo...think they'll take most flesshy baits... :tite
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nice one Lofty :yipee:
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Shivs I think Weedeater is refering more to throwing smaller head baits. Mackie heads, smaller shad and bonnies etc. You could throw a medium bonnie head but sliding would be better
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Dear Shivaan,
This is what you do.
1) Identify the species in your area. --> ask around in the tackle shops, anglers on the beach etc. Rob Kyle, on the forum (the person asking for fundraising) is a good person to start off with he knows that area very well.
2) Once you have the species, ask for what conditions they feed on, the spots etc --> ask the anglers on the beach
once you know what you are going to target and when and where, you must decide on what tackle and on which bait. No use sliding for a blue rays etc .
This is very important, know what you are targeting first! then you commit 100%
I believe you guys also have the brown skate? again ask rob. And I am sure you should also have some diamonds? I dont know???
anyways.... here are some tips.
Blue ray --> soft bloody baits. Red eye works great! pilchard soft tjokka etc. 6 /0 hook with 0.55mm / 0.65mm nylon strop depending on terrain. Small mullet heads works great as-well! or mullet skin.
Brown ray --? dont know buddy ?
Diamond ray --> mackeral the fresher the better. also water color depended. Clear water - clean cut bait presentation (silver side of bait must shine) murky brown water - bloody oily bait presentation. You can get away with nylon stroppe, but rather using biting trace with 8/0 hook.
Spearnose --> any big bait, seriously ANY!!! biting trace once again, they have nasty nasty jaws bru!!!!
Black ray --> here in cape town almost all big baits !! full steel trace!!! and a chiropractor :)
Duckbill --> tjokka , whole tjokka, octopus leg, whole octopus.
eagle ray --> love tjokka!!!!! trace same as blue ray.
Sandbanks buddy sandbanks, that where you throw! Also look for the warmer water!
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spearnose skate
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fat blue ray
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eagle ray
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duckbill
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Now you just showing off :crzy
:hehe: :resp:
First time I hear and seen a pic of a spear nose skate
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promise prego i wasnt trying to brag, wanted to cut the head head out in the pics but time would not allow. :) hehe
just wanted to show the different species, wil still cratch around for pics, but the internet at works get cut off at 2pm each day :(
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promise prego i wasnt trying to brag, wanted to cut the head head out in the pics but time would not allow. :) hehe
just wanted to show the different species, wil still cratch around for pics, but the internet at works get cut off at 2pm each day :(
:hehe: Ray with catches like that you allowed to brag
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the eagle ray and duckbill look very similar...I thought that the one that I caught was a duckbill..now not so sure... :dunno: was using pinkprawns,trying for steenies at Danabaai 1st beach when I fowl hooked one in the tail...wow did I battle with that thing...was only about a 8kg model but stuffed my left arm and shoulder up... :shk total fight about 15-20min.eventually the hook pulled after running back and forth for 10 min. straightsticking it in the shoredump/backwash... :blush: <: swr :hehe: :creep: :nuts:
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Duckbill vs Eagle Ray.... http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=88.0 (http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=88.0)
Rays and Skates... ID http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=91.0 (http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=91.0)
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Hi Weedeater
Would the throwbait not be too heavy to cast?
Would a fish head wrapped in fillets also be a good bait to use?
Also, how well does chokka work for flatfish?
Sorry for all the questions, really want to fight a ray or skate.
Thanks for all the info guys
Shivaan
The head isn't too heavy to cast, but more often than not you'll hook a flatfish fairly close in. I flap a mackrel, meaning I cut the fish from the tail to halfway down the macky, on both sides. I then remove the spine and fold the 'flaps of fillet back towards the head and tie them up with cotton. I then put a 8/0 - 10/0 circle hook through the jaws of the mackie and throw it. Look for a rip or a gully and throw in there.
A chokka slide is deadly for big sandies and I'm sure a honey or duckbill will jump on one as well.
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This is what a Honeycomb Ray looks like... beautiful!
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Fishing the durban KZN coast the blue rays prefer the cooler water. We have caught blues on bloody, fresh baits, normally a mix between sard belly and chokka.
The brown skates prefer the slightly warmer water and also caught on a mixture of sard/mackeral and chokka.
We also get the honeycomb here, and some large speciemens too. Got one of 60kg a couple years back on a whole slide mackeral looking for a shark. one of the best fights of my life !!
skates cruise around most parts of the ocean, but as most have said, sandbanks and flat beaches are your best bet. You will find blues right behind the shorebrake, the like to cruise the channel between the sand bank and the shorey, so no need to throw far.
I dont do much rock and surf andymore, so my advise may be a little out dated.
Goodluck and enjoy the fight!
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Sharpnose Brown Stingray caught on Camo worm!!
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Shoo! alot of copying and pasting into my little Word document for future references.
Thanks so much for all the info Ray. Really appreciate it bud!
I've had a chat with Allistair from Basil Manning Umhlanga, very helpful oom. Says that in the umhlanga area there are blue rays, browns, and the odd Diamond.
In the Ushaka/Vetchies area there are Duckbills, friend of a friends landed one (see pic). Not sure what else is around there.
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spotted eagle by far the most beautiful one we have...
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Dont you guys work!? :creep: :crzy ( I should be a fine one to talk)
Reefman, thats a beautiful Honey right there! the Spearnose and duckbill got to also be the prettier of the lot. the Black Ray looks mamba scary!
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the eagle ray and duckbill look very similar...I thought that the one that I caught was a duckbill..now not so sure... :dunno: was using pinkprawns,trying for steenies at Danabaai 1st beach when I fowl hooked one in the tail...wow did I battle with that thing...was only about a 8kg model but stuffed my left arm and shoulder up... :shk total fight about 15-20min.eventually the hook pulled after running back and forth for 10 min. straightsticking it in the shoredump/backwash... :blush: <: swr :hehe: :creep: :nuts:
Duckbill vs Eagle Ray.... http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=88.0 (http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=88.0)
Rays and Skates... ID http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=91.0 (http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=91.0)
thnx Reefs but the one I got was fowlhooked in the tail,so only saw it from behind for a while before the hook pulled from it's tail while in the backwash...also first time catching one as I don't target them,hence my confusion...thought it was a duckbill.. :dunno: could still be too... :cnfzd
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Great catches Ray....
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My faverite bait for duck bull and bull rays have to be a chokka head with its intestines still intact. Normaly I will target them on or just off the bank. For Diamonds I like to use a small hole mullet, ded or aline. For the blues I like a messy sardine bait. Lots off blood and guts.
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Skates have no barbs. Rays does, and are filled with potent protein poisen, in other words dont touch.
I dont know ur area at all unfortunatly. Our prominent species here in cape area ar
e black , blue stingray and eagle and duckbill rays, and the spearnose skate en biscuit skate.
Like the guys have said soft fish baits and squid has worked the best for me in the past.
Ray I can remember reading a post of yours where you had some fun with light tackle and some flat fish at Soverby.Can you maybe give me any tips on where along that stretch is the best and what bait.Keen to take a trip there soon.
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Yis occie let me know would love to join!
Dont know if you yet (old news already) but last year the lapa burntdown, might be arson. Anyways so the farmer closed off that area with high fences etc he got gatvol.
So now the furtherts you can go is the pump station a km away from the old lapa. But its fine its a lekker walk :)
And the fish are starting to go o the bite now as we speak. Been having alot of SE lately and its still pumping over the weekend.
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Take throw net with, then you gooi in between the skuite at the harbour, plenty mullets around. You ccankeep them alive if u want. But I just throw the heads and or I cut them like you would fillet a fish and put it on as is
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Thanks for the info Ray.Yes was supprised when i went there last time and the lapa was no more.So I fished at the first place you can turn off on the Soverby road, only managed a sandie and gurnard tho.By the harbour do you mean in Vredenburg?
Will definantly let you know when i plan to go.
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Use a Cone sinker or Bottle sinker , They get spooked when they come sit on your bait , and the wires/nylon pokes them .
As far as I know , and checked last , no one are allowed to throw net in any harbour , correct me if I am wrong .
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Just a question... which brand and type of 8/0's are preferred? How are the mustard big guns?
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I only fish Mustard kendelrounds. Never had any problem with hooks braking or straightning.
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Shivaan the big guns are good hooks but quiye pricey! Kendal rounds are good value for money just male sure you buy the brown hooks. Gamakatsu also make some good hooks. Diachii are good but rust easily
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I will always suggest using a 'more expensive ' hook in areas where you dont loose a lot of tackle , But like the guys mentioned , Kendal rounds are 100%
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I went out and got the big guns. But in the future I shall give the kendals a shot. Right, got my tackle in check. Now just waiting for some good conditions to go out and throw. Durban weather hasnt been kind to us at all recently :cry: are there any socials coming up in durban? Would be good to meet the ultimate anglers in person? Il bring some samoosas :creep:
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Hey Shivaan,
top thread to start and guys who provided information thank you alot I am a novice and will begin my flat fish campaign at the end of october will definately be using the site info. :happ:
Just wanted to find out if I need to slide a bait out for these fish or bigger speciment, you say using a grap with wires is not advantageous how else to I slide a bait out .....or is throw baits just the best option. :pylie: :stray:
yet again guys shot for the info if I happen to get anyflat fish will most certainly post on site :Like:
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Hey Shivaan,
top thread to start and guys who provided information thank you alot I am a novice and will begin my flat fish campaign at the end of october will definately be using the site info. :happ:
Just wanted to find out if I need to slide a bait out for these fish or bigger speciment, you say using a grap with wires is not advantageous how else to I slide a bait out .....or is throw baits just the best option. :pylie: :stray:
yet again guys shot for the info if I happen to get anyflat fish will most certainly post on site :Like:
If you're sliding, then you have to use a wire grap or you'll never get the sinker to sit properly. For throw baits targeting flatties, use a cone sinker, esp off a beach. Throw just off a bank and you should come right, esp with a makkie head bait.
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:+ cred: shot weedeater gona trying hitting a 6ounce cone out with a throw bait let you know how that goes :rck"
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:+ cred: shot weedeater gona trying hitting a 6ounce cone out with a throw bait let you know how that goes :rck"
No problem mate. Go for smaller throw baits (smaller mackies with a red-eye fillet on the outside) and place your cast well i.e. just off a bank where waves are breaking. Often that will be pretty close in, so a far cast is not needed, esp on a pushing tide.
Cones only really work when the current isn't too hectic. But what they do well, is let your bait get coverage as they move with the ebb and flow of the ocean. So throwing onto a bank, with time your bait may land in the gutter. That's if you haven't been eaten already.
IMHO flat fish are the most exciting non-eds to catch and my absolutely fave is the giant guitarfish. :clwn
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My biggest diamond to date
Got it on a bonnie head slide, using my trusty Pentagon Medium HMG and Trinidad 30 DC. Durban beachfront .
Hope to fish with you one day Shivaan once better conditions set in
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My biggest diamond to date
Got it on a bonnie head slide, using my trusty Pentagon Medium HMG and Trinidad 30 DC. Durban beachfront .
Hope to fish with you one day Shivaan once better conditions set in
Mooi man!! :resp:
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My biggest diamond to date
Got it on a bonnie head slide, using my trusty Pentagon Medium HMG and Trinidad 30 DC. Durban beachfront .
Hope to fish with you one day Shivaan once better conditions set in
Nice one Noel. Looking forward to fishing with you also. Come november things should be nice and settled
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:happ: Durban boys got a small flatfish group going here ...hopefully I can meet up with Shivaan and noel and we can post some awesome pics
Weedeater I would up your cred if I knew how bud loving the information and tips certainly gona give it a bash...thank you again my brother :resp: o and as for that giant guitar I busy at gym training for that marathon LOL let you know when I am fit enough to go to Sodwana, Zinkwazi, Mtunzini to target those beasts LOL :dunno:
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Click the thumbs up icon under Weedeaters name
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:envy :stray truly awesome info you guys are posting, I can only understated about half lol, but its awesome seeing people as in to big ole rays as I am (clap)
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:happ: Durban boys got a small flatfish group going here ...hopefully I can meet up with Shivaan and noel and we can post some awesome pics
Weedeater I would up your cred if I knew how bud loving the information and tips certainly gona give it a bash...thank you again my brother :resp: o and as for that giant guitar I busy at gym training for that marathon LOL let you know when I am fit enough to go to Sodwana, Zinkwazi, Mtunzini to target those beasts LOL :dunno:
Pleasure mate and thanks for the cred. :tkx:
@Ray: shout if you need a translation mate :hehe:
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Thanks man^ :-)
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I landed my 182cm Diamond on a whole mac slide, with pink skirt in Richards bay harbour :pylie:
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Well Done man! Richards Bay harbour always produces.
I am looking to fish there this coming easter. Where is an ideal spot?
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Very nice to see some feedback for you guys on the thread .
So sound advice , although most of the time I am seeking advice how to avoid them lol .
Just out of interest sake on the topic of the diamonds / butterfly rays .
Now I am not a big in ed angler , I observe my surroundings like most ( these days you have to observe more behind your back ) on springtides , and a strong wind , the water comes just over the beach in areas , creating large shallow ( 30 cm deep) lagoon type ponds . I have often seen these big diamonds flapping in 10 cm of water , the lagoon/ ponds never last for more than a day , and most of them become castualties , I have often seen more than one or 5 that died in this manner .