Author Topic: Spinning reel + rod....opinions please (Read 18520 times)

jaenswart · « **Reply #20 on:** January 02, 2012, 04:37:58 PM »

Quote from: REEFMAN on January 02, 2012, 04:15:17 PM

The reel Fritz bought must have been the older FE model which retails for about R2000. The reason he got it so cheaply, is because the new model reels should be arriving soon. R1400 even on the older model is still a flippin awesome price!
The older Sustain is the Gold spool one...

The newer model, the FG, which looks like this pic below, retails for R3500-R4000 excluding discounts. The newer model includes the new X-ship technology.

yummy...seems that x-ship is such a big feature that Shimano are upgrading the stella, sustain and stradic with the technology.
I must say I think that new sustain will also be a great reel.

REEFMAN · « **Reply #21 on:** January 02, 2012, 04:42:23 PM »

The Sustain is an awesome reel already Jaen! With the upgrades, the mind boggles... The Sustain FG has 8 bearings plus 1 Anti-reverse, a 6.2:1 gear ratio.
The Stradic FJ has 5 bearings plus 1. With a gear ratio of 6.0:1
Whether that justifies an almost double the price tag...

?

jaenswart · « **Reply #22 on:** January 02, 2012, 04:43:07 PM »

see the kick stand on the sustain

REEFMAN · « **Reply #23 on:** January 02, 2012, 04:45:26 PM »

Ya I saw that! Got some clever boykies at Shimano these days! Excellent feature.

jaenswart · « **Reply #24 on:** January 02, 2012, 04:48:18 PM »

Quote from: REEFMAN on January 02, 2012, 04:42:23 PM

The Sustain is an awesome reel already Jaen! With the upgrades, the mind boggles... The Sustain FG has 8 bearings plus 1 Anti-reverse, a 6.2:1 gear ratio.
The Stradic FJ has 5 bearings plus 1. With a gear ratio of 6.0:1
Whether that justifies an almost double the price tag... ?

It's tru, sometimes I think Shimano's biggest issue is not designing great reels, it's actually deciding what to "leave out".
They seem adamant to have 20 models on the market, some so close to each other that I cannot believe it justifies the extra production lines in their factories.

I mean, let's say for instance they only made 3 grinder models, a top of the line , a mid range and an entry level. That is only 3 production lines, which will drive costs down.
Make sense for us, the fisherman, but obviously not for a company wanting to make money.

Because let's face it...the actual component are not what is driving the price on the top end models...It's buzzwords and make believe, acronyms that sounds impressive.

If they only had 3 models, with a stella that was much less expensive, everybody would buy stellas...they would last forever and shimano would go broke

Hope you get what I'm trying to say

REEFMAN · « **Reply #25 on:** January 02, 2012, 05:12:32 PM »

Ya know what you mean! And we haven't even mentioned the TwinPower!

Poenskop · « **Reply #26 on:** January 03, 2012, 10:02:51 AM »

Quote from: REEFMAN on January 02, 2012, 04:42:23 PM

The Sustain is an awesome reel already Jaen! With the upgrades, the mind boggles... The Sustain FG has 8 bearings plus 1 Anti-reverse, a 6.2:1 gear ratio.
The Stradic FJ has 5 bearings plus 1. With a gear ratio of 6.0:1
Whether that justifies an almost double the price tag... ?

The new Stadic's gear ratio is to slow in the bigger models. 4.8:1
http://www.shimano.com/publish/content/global_fish/en/us/index/products/reels/spinning/Stradic_FI.html

That is the reason I want to upgrade the Seagate. It becomes a mission to keep a chiselnose on top with a gear ratio less than 6.0:1.

Half-Pint · « **Reply #27 on:** January 03, 2012, 10:10:06 AM »

I think the retrieve ratios are a funny thing. It will depend on the spool size as to how much line is retrieved. For instance let's take the toriums. The 30 size is a 6:2:1 or something and the 50 is a 4: 2:1 now one would assume that the 50 retrieves less line per crank than the 30? Wrong!

The 30 has a smaller spool diameter so for every turn of that spool you pick up less line than the 50. Perhaps the same holds true for the bigger spinning reels. What is the line retrieval per crank?

Poenskop · « **Reply #28 on:** January 03, 2012, 10:41:10 AM »

I would assume the spool size(diameter) for the 5000 sustain and stradic is about the same?

Half-Pint · « **Reply #29 on:** January 03, 2012, 11:08:30 AM »

Sorry thought you were comparing the small stradics to the bigger ones

Poenskop · « **Reply #30 on:** January 03, 2012, 12:09:59 PM »

Quote from: Half-Pint on January 03, 2012, 11:08:30 AM

Sorry thought you were comparing the small stradics to the bigger ones

No worries mate.

REEFMAN · « **Reply #31 on:** January 03, 2012, 01:40:42 PM »

Quote from: Poenskop on January 03, 2012, 10:02:51 AM

Quote from: REEFMAN on January 02, 2012, 04:42:23 PM
The Sustain is an awesome reel already Jaen! With the upgrades, the mind boggles... The Sustain FG has 8 bearings plus 1 Anti-reverse, a 6.2:1 gear ratio.
The Stradic FJ has 5 bearings plus 1. With a gear ratio of 6.0:1
Whether that justifies an almost double the price tag... ?

The new Stadic's gear ratio is to slow in the bigger models. 4.8:1
http://www.shimano.com/publish/content/global_fish/en/us/index/products/reels/spinning/Stradic_FI.html

That is the reason I want to upgrade the Seagate. It becomes a mission to keep a chiselnose on top with a gear ratio less than 6.0:1.

Think the 4.8 ratio is a typo. Can't be that slow??!? The Shimano AUS site specs the Stradic 5000 and 6000 at 5.8:1

ianf · « **Reply #32 on:** January 03, 2012, 01:43:35 PM »

I have the Berkley air 10 footer with a Shimano Sustain 8000Fe, and also a Berkley Air 9 footer with a Shaimano Sustain 5000FB. Of the two, I prefer using the 9 footer, but both are fantastic to use. If you are going to be at the next social, let me know, and I will bring them along (when is the next social....by the way)

Poenskop · « **Reply #33 on:** January 03, 2012, 01:52:15 PM »

Quote from: REEFMAN on January 03, 2012, 01:40:42 PM

Think the 4.8 ratio is a typo. Can't be that slow??!? The Shimano AUS site specs the Stradic 5000 and 6000 at 5.8:1

I will investigate.

Poenskop · « **Reply #34 on:** January 03, 2012, 02:12:04 PM »

All American websites states the gear ratio as 4.8:1 and all the Aussie sites got it as 5.8:1. I guess we need to phone Rapala VMC. Their website is not updated yet with the Stradic FJ specs.

jaenswart · « **Reply #35 on:** January 03, 2012, 07:25:23 PM »

Quote from: Poenskop on January 03, 2012, 02:12:04 PM

All American websites states the gear ratio as 4.8:1 and all the Aussie sites got it as 5.8:1. I guess we need to phone Rapala VMC. Their website is not updated yet with the Stradic FJ specs.

There is NO way it's that slow...not even the Saragosa is that slow

Poenskop · « **Reply #36 on:** January 04, 2012, 03:56:03 PM »

That is good to know.

jaenswart · « **Reply #37 on:** January 13, 2012, 06:22:31 PM »

Ok, so in the end I went with a Shimano stradic FJ 5000, Shimano aerocast 30XH and berkley nanofil 12lb.

jaenswart · « **Reply #38 on:** January 13, 2012, 06:29:41 PM »

BTW, Regarding the nanofil:

Myself and Charles Steward tested it dry and wet and the 12lb broke between 13lb and 15lb consistantly....but it did break on the knot.
Speaking of knots, there is just absolutely NO forgiveness. They slip slip slip slip.
I'm yet to find a knot and has been going for 1 hour. Forget those they recommend..they slip

Fritz · « **Reply #39 on:** January 13, 2012, 06:48:03 PM »

Have a look at Bassil Mannings website and look for Barriys blog. He has a video their on how to do it.

Awsome setup you got their by the way. I am sur you will have many happy moments with her.