Author Topic: LINE TWIST - Taking control of line twist and Wind knots. (Read 203795 times)

SAfish · « **Reply #40 on:** November 25, 2014, 02:03:43 PM »

Thanks Reefs, I will add a washer as see how it goes. I am getting really fed-up with the reel. Maybe it is just a bout of TA, it is after all my birthday next week.

REEFMAN · « **Reply #41 on:** November 25, 2014, 02:33:51 PM »

Herman, unfortunately (in my experience), the Daiwa spinning reels in this size class are just not up to the Shimano's. Go buy yourself a Stradic 5000FJ and donate the Exceler to your lightie - he will be chuffed. The Exceler's are decent, but as soon as you become a proficient spinner or dropshotter, they start falling short of what you expect. Yes, I see a bout of TA coming up... don't worry, you deserve it.

Seventenths · « **Reply #42 on:** November 25, 2014, 02:42:07 PM »

WOW - Awesome post Reefs - It has already all been, said so just

to you.
This makes putting up with SAfish on this site almost worth it

...Love you too Herman!!

REEFMAN · « **Reply #43 on:** November 25, 2014, 02:48:04 PM »

Hahaha Sevens... this post is only 4 years old...! Skud jou kop sodat jou ore jou laat wakker Klap boetie!

SAfish · « **Reply #44 on:** November 25, 2014, 02:53:12 PM »

Quote from: Seventenths on November 25, 2014, 02:42:07 PM

WOW - Awesome post Reefs - It has already all been, said so just to you.
This makes putting up with SAfish on this site almost worth it ...Love you too Herman!!

I will now have to remove myself from this conversation, I have to go reel shopping.

SAfish · « **Reply #45 on:** November 25, 2014, 02:54:24 PM »

Quote from: REEFMAN on November 25, 2014, 02:33:51 PM

Herman, unfortunately (in my experience), the Daiwa spinning reels in this size class are just not up to the Shimano's. Go buy yourself a Stradic 5000FJ and donate the Exceler to your lightie - he will be chuffed. The Exceler's are decent, but as soon as you become a proficient spinner or dropshotter, they start falling short of what you expect. Yes, I see a bout of TA coming up... don't worry, you deserve it.

Reefs, I think I will do this, my son would be over the moon with his new reel.

REEFMAN · « **Reply #46 on:** November 25, 2014, 02:56:45 PM »

Quote from: SAfish on November 25, 2014, 02:54:24 PM

Quote from: REEFMAN on November 25, 2014, 02:33:51 PM
Herman, unfortunately (in my experience), the Daiwa spinning reels in this size class are just not up to the Shimano's. Go buy yourself a Stradic 5000FJ and donate the Exceler to your lightie - he will be chuffed. The Exceler's are decent, but as soon as you become a proficient spinner or dropshotter, they start falling short of what you expect. Yes, I see a bout of TA coming up... don't worry, you deserve it.

Reefs, I think I will do this, my son would be over the moon with his new reel.

I like the way you think Hermann...

SAfish · « **Reply #47 on:** November 25, 2014, 03:02:26 PM »

I can't afford to struggle with equipment that is not up to my expectations. Just the other day I missed a Leerie smash right in front of me because of a wind knot. The fishing is picking up now and I need to be ready. I wonder what my wife is going to say when I win another reel in a "competition".

Steenie · « **Reply #48 on:** November 25, 2014, 03:10:36 PM »

Ja go and buy yourself a Stradic or Sustain. No use trying to panel beat a reel that is not designed for the job at hand. But even with the Stradic or Sustain I suggest you get an expert to fill it up for the 1st time and adjust the coning with the spacing washers if required. The reel need to be set up for the PE rating braid that you put on. My stradic works 100% with the PE2.0 Gosen after adding some of these washers. But when I go down to the PE1.5 Gosen jigging braid early next year, the guys at Basil Manning will have to adjust the reel coning for this new braid.

Seventenths · « **Reply #49 on:** November 25, 2014, 03:51:35 PM »

Quote from: REEFMAN on November 25, 2014, 02:48:04 PM

Hahaha Sevens... this post is only 4 years old...! Skud jou kop sodat jou ore jou laat wakker Klap boetie!

damn did not think my ears were so big.....

....but my embarrassment is!

SAfish · « **Reply #50 on:** December 20, 2014, 01:36:34 PM »

OK, so after I got my new Sustain I found out that I made a rookie mistake. If you spin with braid and use a leader, don't make your leader long enough for the knots to pass through your rod's eyes. When you cast the knots will slow down your mono slightly which causes a loop or over-wind in your braid which can then easily wrap around your rod eyes.

I did not know this.
Yes Homie, straf dop time!

deezynking · « **Reply #51 on:** December 20, 2014, 03:20:43 PM »

brilliant post....

hookedon · « **Reply #52 on:** June 11, 2018, 02:52:34 PM »

Hi Reefs

Do these wind knots occur on a free spool reel as well?

And thanks for all your contributions

REEFMAN · « **Reply #53 on:** June 11, 2018, 02:57:20 PM »

No, but overwinds happen on Multiplier reels which are much worse than a wind knot. And wind knots are simple to avoid.

MadRookie · « **Reply #54 on:** April 20, 2019, 08:36:34 AM »

Hi Reefman,
Just a question about spooling the reel.....
You recommend that if the reel winds clockwise then the line from the refill spool should wind off anti-clockwise?
I am confused as all the articles/info on the internet claims that both the reel & refill spool must wind in the same direction??
Please help?
Thx.
:)

REEFMAN · « **Reply #55 on:** April 20, 2019, 04:24:24 PM »

Most reels - the bail arm turns clockwise (looking at the front of the reel). Therefore the line is laid down in a clockwise pattern. To stop the line twisting anywhere, it must come off the new line spool in exactly the same pattern - and that is anti-clockwise if you're looking at the label of the new line spool. (or clockwise if you're looking at it in the same plane as if you were looking at the reel).
So if you're looking at the front of the Spool of new line, the line coming off will be anti-clockwise. If you're looking at the spool from the back, the line will be coming off clockwise!

The line is now laid onto the reel in exactly the same way that it comes off the new line spool, passively - with minimum rotation and line twist.

MadRookie · « **Reply #56 on:** April 21, 2019, 07:12:56 AM »

Thank you very much for your rapid reply.

:)

Schulla · « **Reply #57 on:** April 21, 2019, 02:42:34 PM »

Quote from: SAfish on December 20, 2014, 01:36:34 PM

OK, so after I got my new Sustain I found out that I made a rookie mistake. If you spin with braid and use a leader, don't make your leader long enough for the knots to pass through your rod's eyes. When you cast the knots will slow down your mono slightly which causes a loop or over-wind in your braid which can then easily wrap around your rod eyes. I did not know this.
Yes Homie, straf dop time!

Hi SAfish, I note you mention the length of your leader when spinning with braid. I'm in two minds here. 1) I agree with your explanation and in this case it makes sense that your leader knot should be in front of your rod tip when ready to cast, as it protects the knot from catching onto the eyes. 2) I have found that if my leader is this short though, I get a lot of "cast offs", especially with heavier lures as all the shock goes into the knot/braid. When I however use a longer leader with about two/three winds around the spool when ready to cast, it prevents cast offs and I don't seem to get over-winds either. I'm using both Sustain and Stradic 4000 and 5000 reels on 8ft and 11ft Assassin Amia rods. Thoughts?

SAfish · « **Reply #58 on:** April 21, 2019, 05:45:49 PM »

Schulla.
I have used the same method (2) when I had the problem with wind knots. What may have contributed to the problem was the knot I was using at the time. I can't remember which knot I used but have sinse started using the FG knot and had no cast offs. I may be wrong but I think that the knot passing through your rod eyes are contributing to your problem. What breaking strain is your leader and braid and what is the weight of your lure when you get a cast off? I fish with up to 2oz plugs, some times slightly heavier and use 30lbs braid paired with a 30lbs zippy leader. Anyone else wants to share their thoughts?

Charles · « **Reply #59 on:** April 21, 2019, 08:21:06 PM »

I use the FG knot. Short leader and never had a wind knot or cast off.