Static magging a Penn torque and other reels

[Cuban Cigar]

We should not forget about our friends using Finnor OFC's - this is the plate for the 16/20/30 !

Forgot to snap a pic of the Penn Fathom, Quantum Cabo and Penn 545/555 when I dis a couple of them for anglers from the Cape - will rectify that with the next lot !

[Kent]

  ...Sorry for my ignorance...still cannot understand why one would do this to a reel......then get a coffee....

[Charles]

...Sorry for my ignorance...still cannot understand why one would do this to a reel......then get a coffee....

Ok Kent let me tell you why I would do it. I am sort of ambidextrous. I do some things left handed and others right handed. When casting a coffee grinder I cast with the rod over my left shoulder however when casting with a multiplier I am casting over my right shoulder. The reason for this is that I need to control the spin with my left thumb however I am loosing a lot  of distance due to my action being not as smooth as it should be.

Secondly I am using trifocal glasses which often cause me to loose sight of my sinker / bait in flight when I need to peek at the spool to check for over-winds resulting in me having no idea where my bait landed.  When casting with a grinder I don't have this problem as I can keep my eye on the flight of the sinker / bait. 

I therefore assume that the magnets will alleviate some of the aforementioned challenges which will result in me enjoying the multipliers as much as the coffee grinders. 

[Kent]

...Sorry for my ignorance...still cannot understand why one would do this to a reel......then get a coffee....

Ok Kent let me tell you why I would do it. I am sort of ambidextrous. I do some things left handed and others right handed. When casting a coffee grinder I cast with the rod over my left shoulder however when casting with a multiplier I am casting over my right shoulder. The reason for this is that I need to control the spin with my left thumb however I am loosing a lot  of distance due to my action being not as smooth as it should be.

Secondly I am using trifocal glasses which often cause me to loose sight of my sinker / bait in flight when I need to peek at the spool to check for over-winds resulting in me having not idea where my bait landed.  When casting with a grinder I don't have this problem as I can keep my eye on the flight of the sinker / bait. 

I therefore assume that the magnets will alleviate some of the aforementioned challenges which will result in me enjoying the multipliers as much as the coffee grinders.

..Fair enough......Charles...BUT...for you , yes , who grew up useing coffees...BUT...for okies that have always used multipliers????...Ek vra ma net...nie om DIFFICULT te wees...

[Half-Pint]

By this logic if I can drive a car without traction control I'd be wasting my time to buy one with traction control

Surely anything that makes angling easier is a good thing? After all the point is to catch fish!

[Kent]

By this logic if I can drive a car without traction control I'd be wasting my time to buy one with traction control

Surely anything that makes angling easier is a good thing? After all the point is to catch fish!

..maybe...in vehicles its all about life and death ..then YES I will drive the one with all the mod cons within my budget...BUT...in fishing...why modify a R3000.00 odd reel that was designed to be "slowed" by useing an educated thumb through hours of practise...BUT...now I am getting into semantics and Im getting to be difficult...LOL...so I will leave it right here.....

[Kent]

  ..For me ...and my opinion...its not about catching the actual fish....it starts today with the session ending Sunday night with me posting a report here on UA...the anticipation....the coffee , while looking at the water , that first mornings cast in the dark...casting for an houir non stop , with no over wind...casting a 1,5oz spoon into the wind and no over wind...Its ALL that and then the fish???....Well...that is the ABSOLUTE cherry!!..Thats why Ive never really considered myself a fisherman , in the true sense of the word...BUT...sorry I digress......To magnatise OR not to maganatise....be it a means to an end???...getting the bait into the water??...well then ...why dont we just launch it in with a rocket??....LOL...To me , casting is a great art form ...almost like a Samurai with his katana....years and years of practise and the enjoyment seeking that enlightenment of perfection!!!

[Cuban Cigar]

This pic was taken a while back, before such a wide range of reels were catered for, but the product and packaging remains the same !

[Cuban Cigar]

When you have to wait untill after dinner, before you can start the evening's work and you are faced with this line-up, you know it's not going to be an early one ...

[Charles]

  You can expect my reels soon! Landing in SA on the 14th and mailing them to you on the 15th of October.

[Lenny]

..For me ...and my opinion...its not about catching the actual fish....it starts today with the session ending Sunday night with me posting a report here on UA...the anticipation....the coffee , while looking at the water , that first mornings cast in the dark...casting for an houir non stop , with no over wind...casting a 1,5oz spoon into the wind and no over wind...Its ALL that and then the fish???....Well...that is the ABSOLUTE cherry!!..Thats why Ive never really considered myself a fisherman , in the true sense of the word...BUT...sorry I digress......To magnatise OR not to maganatise....be it a means to an end???...getting the bait into the water??...well then ...why dont we just launch it in with a rocket??....LOL...To me , casting is a great art form ...almost like a Samurai with his katana....years and years of practise and the enjoyment seeking that enlightenment of perfection!!!

I enjoy and share your views Kenty , But hats of to Cuban Cigar , this has taken off pretty well , and its done really professionally . 

[Cuban Cigar]

You can expect my reels soon! Landing in SA on the 14th and mailing them to you on the 15th of October.

Hi Charles !
No problem - remember that Postnet Courier Service now have a new deal going - R 99-00 one way countrywide for a parcel up to 5kg's - that allows a couple of reels in the same parcel to bri g the shipping price per reel, right down - on economy, counter to counter 3 working days service !

For the guys not already having their reels covered by full, all risk insurance, insurance can be added for the price of 3% of the insured value.

They have not been slowed down by the Post Office strikes either ...

[Kent]

..For me ...and my opinion...its not about catching the actual fish....it starts today with the session ending Sunday night with me posting a report here on UA...the anticipation....the coffee , while looking at the water , that first mornings cast in the dark...casting for an houir non stop , with no over wind...casting a 1,5oz spoon into the wind and no over wind...Its ALL that and then the fish???....Well...that is the ABSOLUTE cherry!!..Thats why Ive never really considered myself a fisherman , in the true sense of the word...BUT...sorry I digress......To magnatise OR not to maganatise....be it a means to an end???...getting the bait into the water??...well then ...why dont we just launch it in with a rocket??....LOL...To me , casting is a great art form ...almost like a Samurai with his katana....years and years of practise and the enjoyment seeking that enlightenment of perfection!!!

I enjoy and share your views Kenty , But hats of to Cuban Cigar , this has taken off pretty well , and its done really professionally . 

..Jip...no look....what these okies do to reels here in SA , I take my hat off to them...also our fishing conditions and the way we fish here is very very unique and I dont think practised anywhere else in the world...So..yes.... ..To Mr Cigar......keep up the good work...

[LGF]

...Sorry for my ignorance...still cannot understand why one would do this to a reel......then get a coffee....

I hear you and you have a very valid point as mentioned in post #225 and #226, however , just saying purely because I struggled with baitcasters when I started and yes I am at a point now where I can set their factory fitted casting controls to get the max distance without the continious over-winds due to hours of casting and practicing. The however is this and I think this is what HP was trying to say, if an improvement comes along (that actually works) which in this case allows you to apply all the strength to your rod for the cast without the required years of educating a thumb to control the spool spin and the occasional over-wind , let alone the added advantage of being able to get some extra distance out of the same cast with the mags as opposed to the traditinal thumb brake method , well, to me it all adds up to "why are the manufactures not installing this feature on the multiplier reels?" they should, period! it is an advantage to cast better, further and without spending time trying to sort out over-winds, time that could have been used for actual fishing.
 
Most (if not all) freshwater baitcasters (smaller versions of multipliers) have these cast control systems installed, you'll be hard pressed to find one that doesn't. Anyhow, the only reason the manufactures don't add this, in my opinion is cost.
 
PS. no matter how good a product is, rod, reel, trigger, horsepower, name it? Without proper control, it will never come to its full potential, no matter how you try.
Would have loved to have been able to give you two exact setups, one magged and one conventional and let you cast both as far as you possibly could muster and then hear your thoughts. Distance, ease of use, repetitive results and confidence = coffee tasting better in the moring before the first cast
 
 
  this means nothing, just like the emoticon 

[Charles]

LGF some very valid points.

As for the manufacturers I think they should produce some reels with this magnetic control. The simple reason is that a lot of guys buy grinders just because they don't have an educated thumb, don't want to waste huge amounts of money on line lost due to over-winds or simply don't have the time or patience to unravel them.

[Marthin]

there's a reason why every single long distance casting record is held by reels with magnets and not by reels thrown with an educated thumb.

When Danny Moeskopps was in Namibia a few years ago he actually told people how much distance you lose every time an educated thumb comes near the spool.... U even lose a lot of distance if the line lifts off the spool in stead of it coming off straight.

For shorter accurate casts i would say go without the magnets.  For hit it as hard as u can everytime, unless you have spent a lot of time practising, this is clearly the way.  Even guys that cast really well have added massive distances to their casting....the difference between a 125m cast and a 150+ cast is massive especially at long shallow beaches.  Not everyone puts in a session every 2nd day or even every weekend.  Not everyone casts from rocks into nice deep water.  Many people i know maybe does one saturday a month.  Now you have to spend the first 2 hours just getting back into rythm?  Lots of people go once every 2nd month.  Not everyone feels like wading and swimming around with GW's everywhere....  Some spots are only fishable at low tide, where this might make u able to extend it another hour or so.

There's value in everything.  I don't need ABS brakes and airbags in my bantam, but it would make me less worried on rainy days in cape town when people can't drive for Sh**.

[HAGAR]

Good day Gents

 This is a report on the Mag-it product that Cuban cigar installs into the reels.

 Now I have been fishing freshwater for close to 9 years now and use only grinders.

 So for the occasional trip down to the coast I have a eds setup that consists of a shimano exxage 1446 combined with a Daiwa firewolf 50hi that I bought around 4 years ago.

 So needless to say I needed to learn how to use the multiplier correctly but with my best cast and near perfect thumb control on the reel ect I would only get around 50 to 60m, and almost always with a small overwind anyway.

 Now since I was going to have to throw well over 100m when I want to do the ineds thing I started doing allot of research into casting a multi[plier reel and I stumbled onto the Magi-it systems that Cuban installs into the reels. I read everything I could find about the way it works on sealine as well as on the internet so see if it could help me out. I then contacted Cuban to find out even more about the mag-it and he explained things in serious detail to make sure I understood exactly what was going on.

 Cuban then started asking me what I will be doing and targeting etc. So I told him my reasoning and he said he will have a look and see if he cant help me out with some better prices as well.

 The rod I needed was the Shimano technium heavy. the reel was the Saltist bg50 and then the braid.
 the best I could get for it all was R 5 150.00.
 Cuban on his own time and dime called around and was able to get it for me for R 4 700.00

 I just transferred the money to him, he drove and got everything for me, installed the Mag-it system into the Saltist and even made a plan to meet me somewhere to give it all to me.
 All of this and all he asked me was the price for the mag-it system he put in the reel.

 So just as a recap of all I just blabbered on about this is the character of the man that I dealt with and the extent to where he went for me, just to help me out.

 Now to get to the Part of how the reel performed.

 I spooled the reel with the braid, then the 0.52 topshot as well as a 0.90mm windon, took a 300m industrial measuring tape and my fiancé's young cousins to the field close to where we were staying. Lets just say the poor lad ran his !@# of that day lol. Bought him a small rod and reel to say thanks, and the bugger caught the first fish out of us all, a Small steenbra, so another fisherman is born hahahaha

 I put a 9 ounce sinker on and marked my spot from where I will be casting.

 This is a list of the different casts and what happened.

 Fist cast I was afraid over a overwind so I kept my finger on the reel to stop a overwind form happening as I was very skeptical whether this magnet thing is going to work or not lol.

 First cast 79m no overwind.

 second cast 97m no overwind. I left the reel completely after the cast, but In fear over overwind I didn't load the rod properly

 third cast 103m no overwind

 4th cast 116m no overwind can hear overwind happening but as I didn’t look at the spool at all I just followed my sinker them overwind sorted itself out

 5th cast 110m small overwind Heard the overwind happening and put my thump back on the reel in fear, but only made things worse because I then looked at the reel and didn’t follow my sinker.
 6th cast 115m no over

 7th cast 120m no overwind starting to load the rod better and getting more confident with the casts

 8th cast 129m no overwind

 the following 12 casts all ended in the 125 tot 130m range.

 I then contacted cuban again telling him how the reel performed and that I was hearing the overwind happening. he said that I should open the reel up and adjust the magnet with n kebab stick , but only by 1mm up and then I should try it again.

 Took me a while as I was afraid I will loose things or break something, but I moved the magnet 1mm up.

 new magnet placing casting report.

 first cast 115m no overwind.

 second cast 132m no overwind

 third cast 138m small overwind, misjudges when the sinker hit the ground.

 4th cast 135m think I was afraid of the previous overwind lol

 5th cast 144m no overwind

 the following 10 casts all ended up in the 140m tot 145m

 best cast that I made was 151m

 so basically I went from not casting a multiplier for the last 4 years to 145m average in less than 40 casts. with no casting control either from the knob on the reel or from my finger. only time my thump touches the reel is as I cast and when the sinker hits the ground.

 So in conclusion to the Mag-it product as well as the gent installing it.

 Wilhelm is a great guy, helped me allot and never once didn’t come back to me about something, went the extra 10 miles to help me out and did so all out of his own pocket. Only charges was that of the Mag-it including the installation.

 What is there to say about the Mag-it product??? Amazing, absolutely amazing, knowing you can cast your heart out and you wont get an overwind really makes it allot more fun for someone like me who always dreaded the overwinds accompanied by the multiplier reels.

 overall a great experience to have dealt with Wilhelm aka "Cuban cigar" and I will be sending him allot of reels in the future lol

 Thanks foe everything Wilhelm.

[Half-Pint]

Hagar please could you post his email address, I would like to look for some mags for my torium 50

[HAGAR]

You have a PM Half pint.
 
 

[MIKE PIKE]

  ...   some impressive stats Hagar and huge improvement  , awesome , think its time i got my heavy ined reels static magged , Brad give me a shout when u send off the Torium , might be adding some reels to the box ...