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BRAID AND ROLLER GUIDES
« on: August 23, 2010, 04:37:11 PM »
Comments please. I have gathered from a lot of anglers, including marlin guys, switching to braid. A personal rule of thumb I use is that no rod is used with roller guides unless it is used with 50 pound tackle and up as at times line could cut in between the support and the roller. Does this not happen when using braid? This is the only reason up to know that I have not loaded braid on rods with Roller guides. Would hate to loose fish due to this.

Can the pro's advice on this please.

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« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2010, 06:36:44 PM »
Mate, there is no real advantage to using braid on your heavy trolling gear?? So the short answer is no I wont use braid on a rod with roller guides, for the very reason that you stated if they get stuck between the roller and guide it will part at some time.
However I can only imagine that you are looking for capacity? in which case I still use dacron, it is thicker than braid but not thick enough to get pulled into the grooves on the roller, and then I add a top shot and then I still only have a 1150mtrs of 80lb line on a 80w Tiagra. so you are gaining around 230 mtrs in total so again a lot of expense for not a massive improvement and If you cant turn and chase a fish in that time then you need to just chalk it up to a goliath fish that stripped you and talk about it in the pub! But any skipper should be able to get a fish under control before your brassed.

We used to use a lot of topshots on the big charter boats as we would then load the reels with dacron and only use 150-200mtrs of top shot mono, but this was only a cost thing as we were replacing the mono every 7-10 days!!!! And mono is expensive, so dacron used to last a lot longer and was a bit more durable, but braid is very different to dacron and a lot more expensive!

The rig I have put aside for Broadbill, has no rollers so I can get away with being loaded up with braid, but I have made sure there is at least 20 mtrs of mono at the end as I am a firm believer in our need to have some stretch in the line, a little bit of give, braid is so direct I think it will pull more hooks direct than with having a bit of shock leader in between, I have no proof of this but its rather my own opinion. I think all of our 80w's now only have mono all the way.

Also when fighting a marlin that has stripped a lot of line, having the mono loop dragging is a huge advantage of keeping the tension while you can spin the boat to get on a better pulling position on the fish. With braid you will not have as big a loop and therefore be more direct so yes you can get tighter on the fish quicker, but when its jumping and shaking its head its also coming up against straight drag and less of a softer cushion that the mono will be giving it?

Im I making sense? Its how I do it nothing more, so not sure if thats what your looking for bud.

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« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2010, 06:52:31 PM »
Personally (and I'm not an expert) on a ski boat it is completely unnecessary because you can Turn and chase if you need to.


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« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2010, 07:01:18 PM »
Braid and rollers = Big Trouble.

I do not like using brad backing and top shot, the only advantage is more capacity, but there are many disadvantages.

Rather spool up with mono.

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« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2010, 07:22:50 PM »
targeting broadbill during daytime at 1000 + meters. Use braid but drop roller guides, if possible

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« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2010, 07:26:49 PM »
targeting broadbill during daytime at 1000 + meters. Use braid but drop roller guides, if possible

Been there done that!  :rck" Rod has rollers but we never had a problem!
Try winching up 6kg from 500m. The rod is all over the place and had plenty opportunity to snag the braid.

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« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2010, 07:46:52 PM »
I invested in a new set of rods and reels a few months ago.
This set to serve as my trolling outfit.
Two 30VSX Penn Internationals
Two 50VSX Penn Internationals
After the release of these VSX range - I thought them the best
for my application.
Loaded with 80lb "Power Pro" braid and then "Ande" top shot 80lb
In hind sight - after catching some good Bill Fish and Game Fish -
I would have done better with just Mono all the way.
I found that it is very difficult to guide the braid back onto the reel
fighting a fish with your bare fingers.
I have to wear my jigging gloves as the braid eats into my guiding fingers.
Jigging with braid is on another level as I use a Daiwa Saltiga Z6000GT
I agree with all that you guys say.
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Re: BRAID AND ROLLER GUIDES
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2010, 08:07:13 PM »
Been there done that!  :rck" Rod has rollers but we never had a problem!
Try winching up 6kg from 500m. The rod is all over the place and had plenty opportunity to snag the braid.

what was the 6kg?? I use 2 liter coke bottles filled with concrete, rigged break away style

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« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2010, 08:55:24 PM »
what was the 6kg?? I use 2 liter coke bottles filled with concrete, rigged break away style

It was the rigger ball we used as a weight.
We also went with a break away eventually. We put that down to school fees!

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Re: BRAID AND ROLLER GUIDES
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2010, 06:38:21 AM »
Braid and roller guides does not work!!! Tried it not for me 
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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2010, 08:21:50 AM »
Thanks to all for their valued contribution. It is as I suspected and I fully agree with what has been said. The old style still rules.

Wish I could give you all creds.

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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2010, 08:22:32 AM »
Braid and roller guides does not work!!! Tried it not for me 

JOHAN jy is skaars die afgelope ruk. Alles nog goed daar by jou?

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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2010, 08:24:14 AM »
Mate, there is no real advantage to using braid on your heavy trolling gear?? So the short answer is no I wont use braid on a rod with roller guides, for the very reason that you stated if they get stuck between the roller and guide it will part at some time.
However I can only imagine that you are looking for capacity? in which case I still use dacron, it is thicker than braid but not thick enough to get pulled into the grooves on the roller, and then I add a top shot and then I still only have a 1150mtrs of 80lb line on a 80w Tiagra. so you are gaining around 230 mtrs in total so again a lot of expense for not a massive improvement and If you cant turn and chase a fish in that time then you need to just chalk it up to a goliath fish that stripped you and talk about it in the pub! But any skipper should be able to get a fish under control before your brassed.

We used to use a lot of topshots on the big charter boats as we would then load the reels with dacron and only use 150-200mtrs of top shot mono, but this was only a cost thing as we were replacing the mono every 7-10 days!!!! And mono is expensive, so dacron used to last a lot longer and was a bit more durable, but braid is very different to dacron and a lot more expensive!

The rig I have put aside for Broadbill, has no rollers so I can get away with being loaded up with braid, but I have made sure there is at least 20 mtrs of mono at the end as I am a firm believer in our need to have some stretch in the line, a little bit of give, braid is so direct I think it will pull more hooks direct than with having a bit of shock leader in between, I have no proof of this but its rather my own opinion. I think all of our 80w's now only have mono all the way.

Also when fighting a marlin that has stripped a lot of line, having the mono loop dragging is a huge advantage of keeping the tension while you can spin the boat to get on a better pulling position on the fish. With braid you will not have as big a loop and therefore be more direct so yes you can get tighter on the fish quicker, but when its jumping and shaking its head its also coming up against straight drag and less of a softer cushion that the mono will be giving it?

Im I making sense? Its how I do it nothing more, so not sure if thats what your looking for bud.
SHAG you have it right on the money. I fully agree but had to wonder. The crew from Athrodite mentioned they have tried braid and was wondering if I'm not missing something in my logic. Cred to you.

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Re: BRAID AND ROLLER GUIDES
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2010, 07:12:02 PM »
JOHAN jy is skaars die afgelope ruk. Alles nog goed daar by jou?


Goeie goed is maar skaars
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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2010, 08:42:19 PM »

Goeie goed is maar skaars
Astronomical busy I feel like a one-legged man in an ass kicking contest!!! Thanks for asking must get together  :beer:
 

I second that !


Just a sneaky prelim bit of info. Keep open 30 October. Captain Peter Wright (best know marlin angler in the world, over 100 granders to his name) is coming to Pta for a seminar. I will give info later, but keep it open

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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2010, 09:25:31 PM »
I second that !


Just a sneaky prelim bit of info. Keep open 30 October. Captain Peter Wright (best know marlin angler in the world, over 100 granders to his name) is coming to Pta for a seminar. I will give info later, but keep it open

   Tremendous boet must make it there keep us informed thanks
   
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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2010, 10:38:45 PM »
I second that !


Just a sneaky prelim bit of info. Keep open 30 October. Captain Peter Wright (best know marlin angler in the world, over 100 granders to his name) is coming to Pta for a seminar. I will give info later, but keep it open

FOR SURE!!! A REAL LIVE LEGEND!!

http://www.peterbwright.com/

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« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2010, 11:58:36 PM »
I second that !


Just a sneaky prelim bit of info. Keep open 30 October. Captain Peter Wright (best know marlin angler in the world, over 100 granders to his name) is coming to Pta for a seminar. I will give info later, but keep it open

Hi Jaen
Please keep me "Booked" for this 30 Oct Marlin Seminar
Cab you make a note or set a reminder to remind me closer to thae date and
Marlin Seminar.
The reason is that I have to travel from Maputo to Pretoria a day in advance.
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Re: BRAID AND ROLLER GUIDES
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2010, 09:20:57 AM »
TSUTSUMA and SHAG .... Just a reminder that you guys are not available on the 30th October. Please check your calendars....... :mxmb:

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« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2010, 02:45:16 PM »
TSUTSUMA and SHAG .... Just a reminder that you guys are not available on the 30th October. Please check your calendars....... :mxmb:
:hehe: :hehe: I am a plonker, thanks for the heads up Tunaman!

 

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