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Tsutsuma

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4 Bladed Props ??
« on: August 15, 2010, 05:01:57 PM »
Hi Guys
If someone can comment here please.
Today taking care of my boat at our club -
after yesterdays out fishing -
some friends and hangers on commented about my new 3 bladed SDtainless props.
I am told by some of the "Clube Maritimo Experts" lol
that I should have rather invested in 4 Bladed stainless props.
There reason is that I will get much better fuel economy and do the same speed at
much lower refs.
Is this true for my size motors - them being +
40hp - 2cyl - 2stroke yamahas??
Awaiting youradivse here on UA
Many thanks
Carlos
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benniejordaan

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Re: 4 Bladed Props ??
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2010, 05:36:28 PM »
Hi,
As mentioned in my PM, 4 blade props will not give you more speed. The only time to really consider 4 blades is if you getting a lot of cavitation. Basically you have have less slippage and better "traction".

Tsutsuma

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Re: 4 Bladed Props ??
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2010, 05:38:50 PM »
Thanks Bennie
I just got your PM
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benniejordaan

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Re: 4 Bladed Props ??
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2010, 06:01:09 PM »
Cool, the best way to describe it is like tyres for a car. The better the tyres, the better the traction but if the diameter is the same then the speed of the car will not increase or decrease..


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Re: 4 Bladed Props ??
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2010, 06:02:27 PM »
Those 2 cyl 40's do not have the torque to swing them properly and so you acceleration will suffer and you will struggle to get on the plane. IMO

Hi Guys
If someone can comment here please.
Today taking care of my boat at our club -
after yesterdays out fishing -
some friends and hangers on commented about my new 3 bladed SDtainless props.
I am told by some of the "Clube Maritimo Experts" lol
that I should have rather invested in 4 Bladed stainless props.
There reason is that I will get much better fuel economy and do the same speed at
much lower refs.
Is this true for my size motors - them being +
40hp - 2cyl - 2stroke yamahas??
Awaiting youradivse here on UA
Many thanks
Carlos
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Re: 4 Bladed Props ??
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2010, 06:05:18 PM »
Thanks guys
You have shed more light on all the advice of our
Local Club Experts.
I never believed any of there advise as it is and
i knew I could come on UA and sort it all "Chop Chop"
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Re: 4 Bladed Props ??
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2010, 06:45:20 PM »
Tsutsuma,

I recon on bigger machine you can get some more holeshot speed from start with the 4 blade props. It will not affect your top-end at all.

Like Mike said it might help with cavitation if you suffer from it, but then again it might actually introduce some cavitation , depending on the hull.

I recon for your motors you made the right choice. The extra premium for those 4 blades are just not worth it in my opinion.

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Re: 4 Bladed Props ??
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2010, 06:49:53 PM »
Many thanks Jaen
I am taking all your comments to heart
I am happy that I bought the 3 bladed props
They worked so well yesterday for the 1st time
I never had cavitation with the old standard ALU Yamaha Props
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just wanted to upgrade to the Stainless Props.
Work for the better
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TUNAMAN

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Re: 4 Bladed Props ??
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2010, 11:56:39 AM »
Carlos good to hear you got the same advice from the other members. These guys are just sharp hey.... :luvua :mxmb:

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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2010, 12:00:28 PM »
Sharper than any Razor Blabe my Mate
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Re: 4 Bladed Props ??
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2010, 08:55:42 PM »
First ley me say I am not an expert but have switched props on several boats many times, let me also state that my experience is with monohulls and not with cats.

With that sayd:

When switching from 3 blades to 4 this is usually what I get.

4 blades
a) Boat holds plane at lower speed
b) Better holeshot
c) Boat holds its bite in rough water where the 3 bladers would blow out
d) will ventilate less due to added traction that usually means better handling in rough seas
e) Usually more "stern lift"
f) Better overall fuel economy (but not at high speeds)
g) Usually Slightly lower top speed.


3 blades
a) Usually will allow you higher top end speed
b) Usually more fuel efficient at higher speeds
c) Usually more "bow lift"

Props should be installed with your boat in mind, if your boat is stern heavy a 4 blade, if bow heavy a 3 blade, sometimes changing blades will help or solve construction problems/characteristics.

My personal preference on offshore boats usually goes to 4 blade configurations due to the fact that my main goals are handling and mid range cruising and also the hability to plane at lower speeds for that really rough day that you need to come home without destroyng your back.

If you need even better planning hability have your props vented (holes drilled in the leading edge of the barrel, closest to the lower unit, so when you take off exhaust gas can escape through those holes and help the prop break loose just a tad so the engine can spin up a bit to make launching the boat easier)
Venting your props allow a certain amount of slippage at low RPM. This can be very helpfull with an outboard that dosen't really get into it's powerband until the RPM's increase (probably what Mike FA was talking about), mercury nowdays have props that come factory vented but traditionally you would have a professional do them for you.

Never go 4 blade setup on a boat that is bow heavy it will ruin the boat even more, but if your boat is not bow heavy 4 blades could be the option for what you sayd you wanted.

I followed this route when I changed power in my boat, changed from Suzuki standard 3 blade to mercury 4 blade, had them vented 3/8 of an inch, but my boat was a bit "stern heavy".

There is another rule that superseeds all the previous ones, if it's working fine don't try to fix it, and probably it would have been a risky path on your configuration (holes in 4 bladed props) and you did not give us relevant info about your setup, speed at wot, prop pitch, etc. :-)

Here is a pic of a Bravo1 4 blade lab vented prop (see the holes?)

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Re: 4 Bladed Props ??
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2010, 09:18:10 PM »
I just fitted 4 blade props to my boat today for some testing.

Hole shot is way better, rpms down by about 200-250, top end down a little but my slipping problem seems to be gone and at cruising speed she is more stable.

Also there is less torque lean on the boat with heavy acceleration.

One problem she does not want to plane on 1 motor now.

I will test them over the next few days. I want to see if the slipping is gone in a following sea.

Fedu, please email me  exact details for venting the props, this may help for planing on one motor.

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Re: 4 Bladed Props ??
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2010, 09:21:46 PM »
I had mine vented exactly for that, planning with a single engine.

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Re: 4 Bladed Props ??
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2010, 09:23:54 PM »
I had mine vented exactly for that, planning with a single engine.

Please email exact details. Thanks in advance

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