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Title: Assist Hooks for spoons
Post by: Hooch on June 27, 2011, 02:31:32 PM
Maby some experts can shed some light on this. Why can't you use assist hooks on spoons instead of the trebble hook? Was looking at some jigging pics and it make sense to use it that way! Have one hook and all you do is chance the spoon. Helps with hooks getting tangles ect. What's your thoughts on this?
Title: Re: Assist Hooks for spoons
Post by: benniejordaan on June 27, 2011, 02:33:06 PM
Guys do!

Title: Re: Assist Hooks for spoons
Post by: REEFMAN on June 27, 2011, 02:36:19 PM
Hooch if you look at all Basil Manning's GT Ice creams and needle nose plugs, they all have a type of "assist hook" attached to the back of the lure... no reason why you can't do spoons the same way...


Title: Re: Assist Hooks for spoons
Post by: Half-Pint on June 27, 2011, 02:51:32 PM
One thing that annoys me is the size of those gt ice cream hooks. The one I bought had like a 1/0 hook on it. Imo that is too small for garrick etc maybe I'm wrong
Title: Re: Assist Hooks for spoons
Post by: REEFMAN on June 27, 2011, 02:56:14 PM
Small hook catches all size fish... big hook catches no fish... no big fish left in the sea....  :rotfl
Title: Re: Assist Hooks for spoons
Post by: Kumz on June 27, 2011, 03:06:14 PM
Small hook catches all size fish... big hook catches no fish... no big fish left in the sea....  :rotfl

 
 (clap) ......... :win:
Title: Re: Assist Hooks for spoons
Post by: Andre Laas on June 27, 2011, 03:22:36 PM
I have rigged a number of my spoons that way, but have not had any strikes yet (in a long time actually). I often add bucktail onto the hook, or a yamashita squid above it for extra movement.
Title: Re: Assist Hooks for spoons
Post by: Half-Pint on June 27, 2011, 03:30:57 PM
But really a 1/0??? I have put a 6/0 on now and to me its more in proportion with the plug size
Title: Re: Assist Hooks for spoons
Post by: Hooch on June 27, 2011, 04:01:52 PM
Thanks Chasps! Now what dacron? 80, 130 or 200lb from the surf?
Title: Re: Assist Hooks for spoons
Post by: REEFMAN on June 27, 2011, 04:54:04 PM
Christo, you can use 200lb Dacron, but if you really want to do it properly, you can get some KEVLAR cord, which is tooth proof, available from Jigstar Africa. Whether this is necessary from a R/S perspective is debatable, as it's only really a Couta from the shore that will have the gnashers to bite through the Dacron.

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Title: Re: Assist Hooks for spoons
Post by: Hooch on June 27, 2011, 05:34:42 PM
Thanks Tony. Think ill go the dacron root. Like you said, its only couta that have a serious pair of dentistry to go threw the dacron. This will make spooning a hole lot easier. Thanks
Title: Re: Assist Hooks for spoons
Post by: tackle whore on June 27, 2011, 08:42:17 PM
the idea  to rig assists  at the front of plugs started with the GT guys overseas . The idea being that a big GT  engulfs the plug were some times the trebles dont get a good hook up ratio the assist has proven 100% . also a fish cant use the plug as a lever to pry the trebles out . Catch is it only really works on fish that have a big mouth that engulf the lure ie - GT , GROUPER  etc . small garrick and elf/shad i would stick to the trebles or add a single to the back as well . . rigging spoons with assists at front works great for dorado and yellowtail , assist must not be longer than 2/3 lengh of spoon , also you may want to heatshrink your dacron to make it abit stiffer to stop tangles when you casting .
Title: Re: Assist Hooks for spoons
Post by: tackle whore on June 27, 2011, 08:51:05 PM
head assists on spoons work really well on yellowtail and garrick not sure on shad/elf though.
Title: Re: Assist Hooks for spoons
Post by: nico on June 27, 2011, 11:09:37 PM
the idea  to rig assists  at the front of plugs started with the GT guys overseas . The idea being that a big GT  engulfs the plug were some times the trebles dont get a good hook up ratio the assist has proven 100% . also a fish cant use the plug as a lever to pry the trebles out . Catch is it only really works on fish that have a big mouth that engulf the lure ie - GT , GROUPER  etc . small garrick and elf/shad i would stick to the trebles or add a single to the back as well . . rigging spoons with assists at front works great for dorado and yellowtail , assist must not be longer than 2/3 lengh of spoon , also you may want to heatshrink your dacron to make it abit stiffer to stop tangles when you casting .
That all makes perfect logical sense to me. We do often rig an extra single at the top of a couta spoon and two singles at the bottom - not with assist cord though.
 
Reefs, as for the kevlar cord being toothproof - the sad reality is that it is not. I've been packing out fishing gear over the last couple of days and threw away plenty pieces of the above mentioned kevlar that had been bitten through by nothing more serious than a couta. I may even have some bits left and will take a photo if I do.
 
 True, you do sometimes land the fish with the cord just halfway bitten through, maybe it is still better than dacron. I would love to find a replacement for steel on the hook (or the leader).
 
Cred for whoever can come up with something!
Title: Re: Assist Hooks for spoons
Post by: REEFMAN on June 28, 2011, 07:53:25 AM

Reefs, as for the kevlar cord being toothproof - the sad reality is that it is not. I've been packing out fishing gear over the last couple of days and threw away plenty pieces of the above mentioned kevlar that had been bitten through by nothing more serious than a couta. I may even have some bits left and will take a photo if I do.
 


That's very interesting! Claims, claims, claims!
I've never fished with the Kevlar cord, rather I did some research on it a few years ago and imported some stuff called ZYLON... which they say is Tooth proof, tried and tested on Dogtooth Tuna... to cut the stuff, even with braid scissors is a major mission!!

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Title: Re: Assist Hooks for spoons
Post by: REEFMAN on June 28, 2011, 08:18:48 AM
Chris Wong from New Zealand was quoted as saying that the Zylon is Cuta Proof, and that was about 3 years ago.

So where's my cred Nico...  :rotfl
Title: Re: Assist Hooks for spoons
Post by: nico on June 28, 2011, 09:45:54 AM
Chris Wong from New Zealand was quoted as saying that the Zylon is Cuta Proof, and that was about 3 years ago.

So where's my cred Nico...  :rotfl
Here it comes! +cred to the Reefman!
Now to find some of the stuff...
Title: Re: Assist Hooks for spoons
Post by: REEFMAN on June 28, 2011, 09:49:34 AM
I got mine from http://www.jigsdirect.com/eMerchantPro/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=9&idproduct=77 (http://www.jigsdirect.com/eMerchantPro/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=9&idproduct=77)
Title: Re: Assist Hooks for spoons
Post by: benniejordaan on June 28, 2011, 09:57:47 AM
Reefman, Some of the "kevlars" or assist chord have a steel core. I'll post a pic of the stuff I have at home which has a very flexible thin steel core. The Kevlar from jigstar is NOT tooth proof! I've lost enough fish to know. It is very abrasion resistant but not tooth proof.
Title: Re: Assist Hooks for spoons
Post by: benniejordaan on June 28, 2011, 10:01:54 AM
Oh and you can get this stuff from Basil Manning.

Now send me some cred and I'll give you some tomorrow night!
Title: Re: Assist Hooks for spoons
Post by: nico on June 28, 2011, 10:04:42 AM
Oh and you can get this stuff from Basil Manning.

Now send me some cred and I'll give you some tomorrow night!
+cred for Benniejordaan! I'm a credit whore today! LOL  :hyst:
Anyone else want?  :nuts:
 

 
Title: Re: Assist Hooks for spoons
Post by: John F on June 28, 2011, 10:15:27 AM
Me? :nuts:
Title: Re: Assist Hooks for spoons
Post by: benniejordaan on June 28, 2011, 10:31:27 AM
+cred for Benniejordaan! I'm a credit whore today! LOL  :hyst:
Anyone else want?  :nuts:

Gave you one too! Don't want you to feel left out! w;k
Title: Re: Assist Hooks for spoons
Post by: nico on June 28, 2011, 10:41:35 AM
Me? :nuts:
Done, but remember 1 cred = 5 halfbeak  :fshn:
Title: Re: Assist Hooks for spoons
Post by: tackle whore on June 28, 2011, 10:48:49 AM
lions tackle and gear - Durban are the agents for ZAITO POWER FLEX WIRe in pink or glow . its good stuff but not great if you really wamt a bite proof assist make your own with a braided inner cable inside normal dacron or hollow assist cord .
Title: Re: Assist Hooks for spoons
Post by: John F on June 28, 2011, 11:07:46 AM
Done, but remember 1 cred = 5 halfbeak  :fshn:

Ok, deal! I expect to get to 100 cred till you get here  :nuts: :hehe:
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