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OFFSHORE ANGLING => General Offshore Angling Discussion => Topic started by: Capt. Hook on July 06, 2010, 09:41:45 PM
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To start of a serious conversation on this forum, I would like to discuss methods, rigs etc. for targeting Geelbek and Kob as this is the next fishing season upon us for 2010.
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Mike i would recommend you use circles...not going to lie you might miss or lose a few fish gettig use to them but once you got the hang of it you cant miss!
Especially in durbs when fishing the deep reefs for Bek most of the time you using small live baits or whole sardine, the same for kob and they dont hold back when you out there they take that bait inside as it not often they get e free meal! lol
P.s hows business been with the world cup? get clients into some good fish?
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I use circles a lot, but I would like guys to show some of their traces, and am interested in the depths fished and methods used.
I like to fish a 2 hook trace 1200mm apart using 0.65-1mm for my leader depending on tackle used, and I prefer to use live bait. If I have to resort to sardines, then I also load the hook with some chokka as often they steal the sard and then come back and get hooked on the chokka.
I want to experiment with downriggers this year for these fish, any thoughts.
What structure are you guys looking for? I know ledges, holes and wrecks work well.
Lets share a little
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Hey bud,
I know you know exactly how to do this!
One thing we have experienced is they come out on the deep wrecks but it depends on the sardines. If we have a good run and they come to shore, we get the bek in good numbers in shallow water! Our best catches have been in 40m of water.
As for the trace, I use the same, 2 hook trace 1,5m from sinker and another 1,5m to second hook! 8/0 or 9/0 hooks with a small glow skirt green or pink. Use a thick gauge hook because their mouths are very soft.
When they are here, I often find that when you get your first pull, set the hook and retrieve 2m or so and wait. Chances are you get a second take on the second bottom hook.
Some important facts!
Geelbek tend to hang around reefs, pinnacles and wrecks. They generally hang 2 or 3m above the reef.
Sand soldiers work well for bek and although they love mackerel, sand soldiers do make up a good part of their diet! So if all you get is sand soldiers, use them!
Bek is one of my favourite eating fish and my family loves catching them too!
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Hi Bennie,
Please post a pic of the skirts, this is something I have never tried.
What line are you using for your trace?
Now I have found a use for sand soldiers. At last! (clap)
FA
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Bennie, any thoughts on downrigging :fshng:
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Mike,
I don't fish for Geelbek unless they are here thick. If I do get them it is a by-catch. When they are finally here, best time is from the arrival of the sardines, I catch them quickly and I think a down rigger would unnecessary! Tonight, I'll post the standard natal trace we use! We don't fish for them at the deap wrecks much. Last year you would have to, the sards stayed far out. Previous year they came close to shore and we were getting them as shallow as 25m. Majority of our fish have come out in the 50m range. When we do go, you need to join us, we'll take pics of the sounding etc to post.
One thing I do is sound for them before fishing! We learnt a valuable lesson! Found fishing at dusk before we get the geelbek, we get these little buggers!
River snapper!
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Thanks, now tell us about Kob.
Anyone else want to contribute..... :crzy
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I use pretty much the same rig for Gellbek and Kob, as described above. Sometimes is will use a glow bead in stead of the 2 inch Yama**STOP SWEARING **a luminous squid above the hook.
Bennie likes to use a grinder, I used a short stick and grinder a couple of times last year, but with your trace being 2 1/2 to 3 meters long, I will go back to my long stick and big KP this year. I guess this comes down to personal preference.
As you sometimes fish fairly deep, braid is a must - not only do you feel the bite but you can use a smaller sinker in the current; with the bag limit being 2 per man on bek it is not worth while to anchor so we just drift.
EDIT: Apparently Yamash uhm.. ita is a swear word! LOL
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EDIT: Apparently Yamash uhm.. ita is a swear word! LOL
Only when you see the price!
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This is what i use for deep reefs and 2nd one for shallow reefs.
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This is what i use for deep reefs and 2nd one for shallow reefs.
I find it amazing how different our methods and depths are for fishing for the same species in the WC compared to KZN. I have fished for kabeljou and bek off Gansbaai in 6 meters of water with a handline and no weight, here we fish up to 100m of water.
I will try my hand at MS Paint and try to do a trace.
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I find it amazing how different our methods and depths are for fishing for the same species in the WC compared to KZN. I have fished for kabeljou and bek off Gansbaai in 6 meters of water with a handline and no weight, here we fish up to 100m of water.
I will try my hand at MS Paint and try to do a trace.
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I fished Plett and PE quite a long time and all depends on the strenth of the down current running and how fast you dift if not ancored. Here in the WC we however do have a problem with seabirds diving after the bait when you throw the handline tight away from the boat. So it is nessesary to put a wait on the rig to let it sink a bit faster. Not always good for fishing the shy and finnegy fish, but keeps you from catching the seabirds. Some smaller spesie than the Basjan that is mostly around the boat. Don't know there name.
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I find it amazing how different our methods and depths are for fishing for the same species in the WC compared to KZN. I have fished for kabeljou and bek off Gansbaai in 6 meters of water with a handline and no weight, here we fish up to 100m of water.
I will try my hand at MS Paint and try to do a trace.
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Yes it is interesting, and the reason for my post, I want to learn as I am sure there is much I do not know.
A typical Rig that I use is 6 ounce sinker the 1.2m up to treble swivel another 1.2m up to next treble swivel all with 50lb and then from the trebles 0.6m with 0.65-1mm to 9/0 hook.
I used to use 30lb mono but more an more I am using 60lb braid on a large spinning reel, am also using circle hooks more frequenty nowadays.
I am sure there is a lot more on this subject.
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Was at the club this afternoon and few guys were getting their traces ready and cleaning up the rods, as they claim it would be the best time for bek after this cold front.
Never fished for them but will be try this year and will be watching this space for some real info from the BIG mannas
:fshie
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Well I will have a try for them tomorrow for a while. :fshstry
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This is my trace! The 80 Lb is heavy and can be reduced to 60Lb or even 50Lb.
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This is my trace! The 80 Lb is heavy and can be reduced to 60Lb or even 50Lb.
That is basically the same rig I use, except that I use 1.2m as opoosed to your 1.5.
Is there a specific reason you use 1.5m?
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Just to clarify...
Generally Geelbek hold away from the reef and above a small pinacle. The long trace will place the bait in the right spot. On many occasions we have fished 3 up and all bring double hook ups to the boat within an hour or 2! As I said earlier, set the hook for the first then pause and wait for the second hook up!
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Thanks for you info, I learnt something new here with the squids and will try them out tomorrow have also included my glow beads as always.
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Sometimes Bek take very skelem! When this is the case a circle hook will work a charm! However I have fount the skirts can then be in the way and the hook doesn't find it's mark.
With live baits, the glow skirts are not as important but definitely helps!
Good luck FA, hopefully we see some fooshies tomorrow..
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So different down here.
I fish 16kg fluero leader with an 8/0 or a 6/0 circle. We sometimes use splitshot on the leader but very seldom.
We're fishing in 1 to 2 fathoms most times and 10 fathoms max. The leader is joined to the mainline with a small power swivel.
Whole sardine with a chokka strip and every now and then a live maasbanker.
Seekat is a bonus when we catch the odd one.
On the handlines I use 24kg Sportex straight to a hook. I very seldom use a weight for kob or bek unless I go to the deeper spots in the bay which I hardly ever do. Then I use the sinker as shown in a few posts earlier. Sinker on the top, two hooks below or a small ball sinker ahead of the leader on the rod rigs.
Took some getting used too fishing for these fish here versus the old days off Umdloti and Toti and umkomaas.
So different. Very uncomplicated fishing style here in the Cape.
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Nico,
You are not using braid on a KP are you? sounds pretty dangerous?
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Nico,
You are not using braid on a KP are you? sounds pretty dangerous?
I am sure he is, that what the guys are using with 80-130lb braid
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i don't have enough faith in myself on a KP to use braid... i see my fingers disappearing...
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Mike and Bennie any luck on the geelbek recently??
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Mike and Bennie any luck on the geelbek recently??
A week ago we got, this week has been bad
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Mike and Bennie any luck on the geelbek recently??
Haven't been fishing. 2 weeks ago we went out only to test the rig. Went out yesterday and the sea was a mess. But I did take the time to sound around and I got good showings on a spot renowned for snapper!!!
Last year we got these. Biggest was 10kg and smallest was 5 kg!
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A week ago we got, this week has been bad
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Hi Bennie & Mike
What fish are these here like Snappers - red/pinkish in colour??
We get them - I think - in the Maputo River mouth here in the Maputo Bay.
Called "CROVINA REAL"
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Hi Bennie & Mike
What fish are these here like Snappers - red/pinkish in colour??
We get them - I think - in the Maputo River mouth here in the Maputo Bay.
Called "CROVINA REAL"
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River Snapper! You only get the bigger specimen off shore. The smaller juveniles stay in the rivers till they get bigger.
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A very good friend of mine that lives 5 houses down the road from me =
Sergio Veiga - fishes for these River Snappers all the time.
We must make a plan and arrange a outing here.
He has great spots for them and targets them at night of
his Semi - Rigged
Let make a River Snapper Tag & Release event
Can you help me with that idea please Bennie & Mike??
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Nico,
You are not using braid on a KP are you? sounds pretty dangerous?
I certainly do! And I can tell you that it has made a mssive difference to my KP fishing, you can feel exactly what is happening with your bait. Make sure to use a ring though, no way you can hold the line in your hand, and of course stay away with your fingers :sml:
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I certainly do! And I can tell you that it has made a mssive difference to my KP fishing, you can feel exactly what is happening with your bait. Make sure to use a ring though, no way you can hold the line in your hand, and of course stay away with your fingers :sml:
Nico, Remember those river snapper (you hand lines one if I recall) well I sounded that mark the other day and there are some super showings!!! ;-)
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Nico, Remember those river snapper (you hand lines one if I recall) well I sounded that mark the other day and there are some super showings!!! ;-)
So when are we going? :)
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So when are we going? :)
What is the Co-ordinates Bennie/Nico :dunno:
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What is the Co-ordinates Bennie/Nico :dunno:
What co-ordinates??
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What co-ordinates??
We just drive around till we find some showings.
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What co-ordinates??
(bat Ima gonna folla ya (bat and then (bat get them co-ords outta ya. (bat
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(bat Ima gonna folla ya (bat and then (bat get them co-ords outta ya. (bat
Here it is:
S 27 42 342 E 030 45 521
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Here it is:
S 27 42 342 E 030 45 521
Haha! Who knows, you could catch a bass close by w;k
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Here it is:
S 27 42 342 E 030 45 521
hapbday
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Nico, Remember those river snapper (you hand lines one if I recall) well I sounded that mark the other day and there are some super showings!!! ;-)
What ring do you suggest??? Is there a lot of strain on the ring??? Will two large key rings attached with cable ties just above the front grip do the job???
I was thinking about using braid on my KP, but were very worried since I am already cutting my fingers with 0.5 mono.
The best Geelbek angling I've done was in 28m of water, they put up a lekker fight when you hook one 1 - 2 meters below the surface
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Here it is:
S 27 42 342 E 030 45 521
(bat (bat (bat (bat
So you wanna feed me to the Lions, Itala Game reserve is just around the corner
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What ring do you suggest??? Is there a lot of strain on the ring??? Will two large key rings attached with cable ties just above the front grip do the job???
I was thinking about using braid on my KP, but were very worried since I am already cutting my fingers with 0.5 mono.
The best Geelbek angling I've done was in 28m of water, they put up a lekker fight when you hook one 1 - 2 meters below the surface
You get them from the tackle shops. Just ask, they should have it, it's very common!
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You get them from the tackle shops. Just ask, they should have it, it's very common!
Looks like this:
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You Natal boys are moffies. Come on who needs a ring for the braid to run in. use your finger. You learn to let go when you wind, exactly the same as with mono. I have never cut my finger on braid doing this (but seen others do it, but they only do it once).
We had one of the gillies at our place handline a 25kg copper on braid the other day while a reels was being strapped back onto a rod. rahteer him than me, thats all i know.
Bek, what are those, they seem to have missed east london again.
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You Natal boys are moffies. Come on who needs a ring for the braid to run in. use your finger. You learn to let go when you wind, exactly the same as with mono. I have never cut my finger on braid doing this (but seen others do it, but they only do it once).
True, but a ring is just so much easier. Why not use the trick when it is available? Since I moved to a ring I really enjoy it more.
We had one of the gillies at our place handline a 25kg copper on braid the other day while a reels was being strapped back onto a rod. rahteer him than me, thats all i know.
Bek, what are those, they seem to have missed east london again.
I've had to do that a few times, and I have to tell you, it is surprising how much pressure you can put on a fish by hand, even with braid!