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General Angling Topics => Saltwater Lure Angling => Topic started by: Ziggy on March 08, 2011, 11:07:01 AM
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I am so over blanking on the Bluff (apart from endless blacktails!) - and have seriously considered taking up knitting - until I saw Barry Wareham's article in the latest Rock Surf and Deep
Has anyone caught natal snoek like Barry does - or can you only do it if you are a "boss" angler like him?
Can anyone advise a mere mortal like me? Can you add to the article? Like what are the best lures to use and - most important - where to fish for snoek around Durban?
I am fortunately not bound by work, so I can go anyday during the week - so I can avoid the crowds
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I'm not alone!!!
Barry told me he also had success with purple coloured bullet spoons. I can't remember if he mentioned that
in his article. I saw a lot of guys catching Snoek with those lures he mentioned in the article at Vetchies.
The snoek seems to move around - last week-end I only saw 1 Couta & skate come out. (before 8am)
Further info on you query from other guys is eagerly awaited...
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PH - glad I am not alone too!
Where at Vetchies? Off a ski or off the shore? I am shore based - get sick on a ski!!!
I NEED to catch one of those things - otherwise I retire from fishing!!!!!
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I am so over blanking on the Bluff (apart from endless blacktails!) - and have seriously considered taking up knitting - until I saw Barry Wareham's article in the latest Rock Surf and Deep
Has anyone caught natal snoek like Barry does - or can you only do it if you are a "boss" angler like him?
Can anyone advise a mere mortal like me? Can you add to the article? Like what are the best lures to use and - most important - where to fish for snoek around Durban?
I am fortunately not bound by work, so I can go anyday during the week - so I can avoid the crowds
Haven't seen the article but Barry is a top angler. The best way to catch snoek (overall) is by trawling sard fillets from a boat or ski, sure, you will get the days that spratspoons/clarks/minieyes/minnows/etc.... work well but all told fillets WILL do better!! Snoek are thick at the moment, especially off the northern beaches, Hyper/Virginia/Peace Cottage so now is a good time to give it a bash, in fact almost anywhere just off backline should work........3 - 7m deep.
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PH - glad I am not alone too!
Where at Vetchies? Off a ski or off the shore? I am shore based - get sick on a ski!!!
I NEED to catch one of those things - otherwise I retire from fishing!!!!!
Unfortunately off ski's & ski boats just outside the sharks nets.
Ie quite close to shore as DB said.
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We catch plenty snoek trawling small rapala's in the bay and along the back line in St.Lucia
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Sorry for the hijack Ziggy I know you are looking for shore info.
Cam Mundy, lost time out i tried with small rapalas or halcos but I had no luck changed over to clarkes and it was game on.
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I have to say that on some days the bay can be crawling with snoek and they won't touch anything.
Have you seen snoek jumping off Vetchies Ziggy? I'm not sure it would be worth fishing for them unless you know they are in the area we generally see them for the first 2 hours after first light.
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Hi Ziggy
I might just be able to help you out on that. You can use small bullit spoons 1oz or a shallow v back also in the 1oz range. If you need to see the spoons give me a call on mtn2three4ovifeonine, I make spoons for the guys in the club and for myself and I promise you that they are cheaper then any other tackle store. If the weather plays the game you can join us this comming weekend.
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after a visit to basil manning - likely spots:
1. Beechwood to the Umgeni mouth – look for holes
2. Ipsilanti drive (promenade (see a drain there)
3. Lady Ellen Crecent – and wreck
4. East more crecent – north end there is a carpark
5. South end of Umhlanga walkway at the stiars
6. Lighthouse rocks at Umhlanga
7. In front of breakers hotel
8. Ballito – Pompano Rock at the gate to Zimbali and low rocks in front of Zimabli
9. Two points at Tinley Manor – right: car park and pool, high rocks Left: Red Rock, park at shops
10. North of Ballito: turn left after N2, Emberton Road
11. Shakas High rock
12. Rock Road – there is a carpark there
13. Salt Rock swimming pool
14. Daves rock (on road to Sheffield until road turns inland around Christmas bay – Daves Rock is just before that)
orange, chartreuse and purple Bullet lures - use S shaped same coulours when water is murky 45g and 30lb flouro leader
early morning start before sun - or late evening
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Wow! You did do your homework. Thanks for that.
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forgot to mention the preferred lure - glow in the dark
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forgot to mention the preferred lure - glow in the dark
I thought my shopping for the week-end was done. :shk
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PH - weeked shopping is never done...although I did not need any lures, I still bought 6 today - because "you never know"!
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I have to say that on some days the bay can be crawling with snoek and they won't touch anything.
Have you seen snoek jumping off Vetchies Ziggy? I'm not sure it would be worth fishing for them unless you know they are in the area we generally see them for the first 2 hours after first light.
No I have no but a buddy fishes off hhis ski there and has been telling me - how accessible are they at Vetchies - off the rocks on the pier (not allowed there right!). I suppose I will just have to paddle out then with my buddy
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Hi Ziggy
I might just be able to help you out on that. You can use small bullit spoons 1oz or a shallow v back also in the 1oz range. If you need to see the spoons give me a call on mtn2three4ovifeonine, I make spoons for the guys in the club and for myself and I promise you that they are cheaper then any other tackle store. If the weather plays the game you can join us this comming weekend.
Hi Fritz - which club you talkng about? - Where are you going this weekend - I know you are a bluff scruff - but are you trying for snoek there - or elsewhere?
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Ziggy
Mr. Bluff Scruff fishes for HLHAAC. :lolo:We will be heading down to the Pennington area. The snoek are landed every weekend. We fish for sharks during the night but when the sun starts comming out its time to spin. You are welcome to join us.
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Ziggy
Most of the places mentioned on the list you provided, the swell can't be to big as the snoek will not come into the breaking wave area but will behind the wave line. At beechwood or the wreck the swell has to be very calm so you can throw over the wave line. I have caught all my snoek out at sheffield ie Dave's rock and a the ledges just south of Christmas Bay and North of Dave's Rock. You need to get your lure into the deep water.
hope this helps.
ignobli
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Hi Fritz, PM me more details on your spoons as they sound interesting, Thanks
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Went to Sezela on business this morning, sea flat and smooth as glass, 2 boats cruising a non existant backline, - you could spin from the rocks there today no problem - according to the locals boats been getting snoek and couta, eish - work :sadd
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Can anybody tell me if this is this daves rock?
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Fritz - I woul really like to but my government has planned my weekend for me!
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What about Tesingane at Bazley for snoek - anyine had experience there - it was great for shad when they were around
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No worries bud, the invetation is open.
The photo you got here is of xmas bay. Take the same road as the one you take to xmas bay, just pul in to the parking half way down. You have to walk back and then you will find a (Hiden ) pathway. Walk down till you get to the beach and Daves is in front of you.
Just watch the place on the incomming water. You will either get wet or walk away with injuries.
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After talking to the very helpful Ignobilis - Me and my fishing buddy have decided to go to Beechwood at dawn tomorrow - hardly any wind and small surf - sounds good
And if I blank - its back to walking my dogs in the bluff and catching blacktail - while that aerocast of mine is being made into knitting needles - anyone need a jersey?
thanks for all the input guys.....
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PH - weeked shopping is never done...although I did not need any lures, I still bought 6 today - because "you never know"!
I popped into the shop this morning to buy one glow-in-the-dark.
Walked out with 8 lures.
My excuse: I now have to buy for my wife as well :hehe:
But I don't exactly duplicate except for Clarke's.
Good luck for tomorrow!!
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PH - only 8 lures - you have such restraint!!!!
I hope I do have luck tomorrow
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This morninh I officially applied for memebrship to my wifes knitting club....!!!
Blanked at beachwood. Arrived at dawn and threw lures until 8am - walked about a kilometer south from the car park towards Blue Laggon. Wind and waves were friendly.
Apart from me and my buddy, there were two other people throwing lures as well - everyone blanked.
We saw some movement of Snoek (a couple jumping out of the water), but out of casting range. I was only managing to get 90m out - and the movement was at least 30m beyond that.
There were a few boats patrolling the backline, with rods out, but it did not seem as if they were catching either.
After deciding to leave, we took a drive down to Blue lagoon and saw a couple of guys throwing lures - they also blanked. The one guy said that, although he had caught his fair share in the past, the last week produced nothing except a small kingie in the channel.
I am now looking forward to "one plain one perl, skip a stitch etc" Question is, can you knit a scarf with braid?
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Ziggy,
Been there, done it, don't want to go back... Fishing is like the italian mob, once you in, there's no way out! You went fishing this morning, when everybody else was facing traffic on their way to work... What else do you need? Fish? Who needs fish? LOL
But I must admit, a sweater made of braid would last forever!!! LOL
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Ziggy,
Been there, done it, don't want to go back... Fishing is like the italian mob, once you in, there's no way out! You went fishing this morning, when everybody else was facing traffic on their way to work... What else do you need? Fish? Who needs fish? LOL
But I must admit, a sweater made of braid would last forever!!! LOL
Only problem has no stretch, and as time passes there are areas that will require a bit of stretch. Ziggy I would rather blank than be sitting in traffic / work as JF said. They do get snoek off Beachwood in the holes and where there is a bit of a rip.
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Ziggy,
Bad morning. I was on my ski off Umdloti this morning. Water is cold, green and dirty!! Saw a couple of snoek come out but deeper out (300m plus from the tidal pool) and 1 lone small couta.
Dont beat your self up as 99.98% of the people likely blanked this morning. But it was a cracking morning & sure as hell beats sitting in traffic!
PS 99.99% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
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super_daav
You are clearly 99.99% correct!
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:hehe:
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Ziggy,
Been there, done it, don't want to go back... Fishing is like the italian mob, once you in, there's no way out! You went fishing this morning, when everybody else was facing traffic on their way to work... What else do you need? Fish? Who needs fish? LOL
But I must admit, a sweater made of braid would last forever!!! LOL
John - I have been fishing for 45 odd years now - and have NEVER been able to find a way out!! You are right....I have always siad that I go fishing, I dont go to catch fish - catching a fish is always a bonus.....and over the years I have had many bonuses - large and small, all over the world....Yes, i am lucky, especially since I dont have to work everyday - and can go fishing any time that I want...with or without a jersey made of braid
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Only problem has no stretch, and as time passes there are areas that will require a bit of stretch. Ziggy I would rather blank than be sitting in traffic / work as JF said. They do get snoek off Beachwood in the holes and where there is a bit of a rip.
that area you refer to has been stretched and shrunk and stretched again a good many times ove my life!
I dont doubt that there are snoek there - they just did not recognise me! I need to fish there a few times more to get used to the place - I usually fish off rocks where I can easily recognise the gulleys - fishing off a sandy beach always seems so sterile to me- and not as easy to read and find the holes (although I understand and know all the basic priciples of reading the water, I dont always seem to apply them!)
Maybe my new found knitting group can counsel and advise me
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Hi guys, here are some of the spoons that I use for the snoek.
The first picture is of the flat shallow v-back spoons.
Length: 80mm
Width : 16mm
Thick : 4mm
Weight : 25gr before any hard tack.
The second picture is of three bullits in a 30gr and the two bigger ones are 55gr. With one being flatter and wider then the other.
And lastly some good lumo stickers for when I need them.
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Very Very nice!
I find that the candy ones get severely bashed on the rocks and look terrible after a while
And the Chase are nowhere near as shiny as uors - Last night I buffed the two I have with Silvo and fine steel wool and they look a lot better (but the snoek did not care ths morning!)
I hope ypur weekend fishing goes well - and I will be seriously sick if you catch some snoek!
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Dont bash your head in to much over today, hardly anybody got fish today. Just hope the water will be good to us over the weekend for some good fishing.
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I am not bashing my head - my hands are far too busy doing my knitting!
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Dont bash your head in to much over today, hardly anybody got fish today. Just hope the water will be good to us over the weekend for some good fishing.
Two approriate quotes for my day at Beachwood:
- The fishing was good; it was the catching that was bad. ~A.K. Best
There will be days when the fishing is better than one's most optimistic forecast, others when it is far worse. Either is a gain over just staying home. ~Roderick Haig-Brown, Fisherman's Spring, 1951