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Re: Lets Talk Fly Reels.....
« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2012, 10:07:27 am »
Eish, you got my juices flowing there.... I am sure you not allowed to post porn on this forum. :cnfzd


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On the R-$ price comparison - I like to do the bread comparison.
Loaf of white bread in USA = $1.5 RSA = R8.50

Abel Creek Fly Fishing Reel, Large Arbor, Creek #2 = $310 in USA and RSA 2500
and in breads USA 206.6 and RSA 294.1

In South Africa things just costs more and if there are people willing to pay that price the price will not come down.
If I am selleing pens for R50 that cost me R1 and people are buying them why would I lower my price?
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Re: Lets Talk Fly Reels.....
« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2012, 10:18:07 am »
What we all forget is the fact that when you bring something in you need to pay shipping, import tax, etc.


Local agents bring in reels and tackle and they pay the shipping and duties.
And yes they get the reels cheaper cause they are the agents and they buy in bulk.
Now what we don't get is that these reels are still being shipped and there is still import duties. So is it fair to then say that local dealers are ripping us off?


Here is a classic example. The Scott F2 Fibretouch, I brought in through the local agents cheaper than what i would have brought it in myself. Did I save? I saved a hell of a lot of money. Why? I did not pay the retail price, neither did I pay shipping or import duties. Yes it was still a lot of money for it. But I paid it with a smile seeing that I save about R2000.

Long Story Short.....Compare Apples with Apples.
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Re: Lets Talk Fly Reels.....
« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2012, 10:29:47 am »
I would like to rephrase.....


Can a local dealer rip you off? Yes!!! By selling you a reel that was made in the East and which has 5698765 899907 6554321 different variations over the world. So how does he rip you off?


There is a label on the side of the box that says Premium Fly Fishing Tackle!!!!
This is the biggest load of crap!!!! There was a local dealer that came into the market selling cheap fly tackle to the industry. R300 odd rand for a rod and this delaer now went from El-Cheapo to premium in a few years. I am not convinced.


Don't believe me??? Then why are there so many second hand tackle from this manufacturer/importer for sale on Gumtree and Junkmail than any other brand? Why are people selling it if it's Premium?


Always thought that Hardy, Scott, Orvis, G.Loomis, Sage was premium???

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Re: Lets Talk Fly Reels.....
« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2012, 10:56:19 am »

In South Africa things just costs more and if there are people willing to pay that price the price will not come down.
If I am selleing pens for R50 that cost me R1 and people are buying them why would I lower my price?


    Let me explain  a bit on import duties as we recently renewed company uniforms and I got the  shock of my live, now this money is basically TAX by the way. For every R100 of  product you bring in you pay R100 import duties, then you pay tax on R200 so you  buy something for R100 and pay R128 to get it cleared, now this cost goes to  the end user most of the time, and after markup and so on you pay tax on the  item again. I know this figures change from product to product and some  importers have agreements, but this is what I paid a few months ago and were  told that this is standard there are some High taxed items seen us luxury goods  and I assume fly gear falls in this bracket so sometimes the shop is not  ripping you off. . But as mentioned above with regards to premium brands,  normally those promoting that they are a premium brand are not…
 
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Re: Lets Talk Fly Reels.....
« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2012, 12:04:25 pm »
I would like to treat you to some exquisite workmanship from Sweden.
These people are genetically mutated or engineered, cause they are fantastic in everything they do.


This is a few Skeleton Reels....


















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Re: Lets Talk Fly Reels.....
« Reply #25 on: May 14, 2012, 12:07:26 pm »
 :clfoto: These are great looking assume they might be out of our price range...  :shre: I want some!!
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Re: Lets Talk Fly Reels.....
« Reply #26 on: May 14, 2012, 12:11:47 pm »
A few more snaps of Swedish Ingenuity.....














This is a Classic PEI58 and these type of reels are very sought after in Europe and  even in the States. People fork out big bucks for these kind of reels.


Expect to pay anything between R3000 - R10 000 for a reel of this quality.

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Re: Lets Talk Fly Reels.....
« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2012, 12:17:18 pm »
:clfoto: These are great looking assume they might be out of our price range...  :shre: I want some!!



These went for $600 a piece. You can get these cheaper elsewhere, but beware of cheap imitations. I have an early 1900's Skeleton that is being pimped up a bit in Sweden.


Here is some before pics.....








I will post some after pics once I receive it back from Sweden.
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Re: Lets Talk Fly Reels.....
« Reply #28 on: May 14, 2012, 12:18:09 pm »
 :nuts: so I have to sell my fishing gear to afford a reel..  :dunno:

They are great I am sure, one day...
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Re: Lets Talk Fly Reels.....
« Reply #29 on: May 14, 2012, 12:19:48 pm »
I really want one of the classic ones for my bamboo rod, just for show and maybe when the fishing is exceptional I might use it, but they are really works of art.
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Re: Lets Talk Fly Reels.....
« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2012, 12:25:24 pm »
I really want one of the classic ones for my bamboo rod, just for show and maybe when the fishing is exceptional I might use it, but they are really works of art.


You can get some of these reels fairly cheap on E-Bay. The only thing is that you never know if the thing is 100% working order. My Skeleton I got as a gift. The frame is perfect, the clicker is a waste as is the spindle. The reel was a bit worn out as was the handle.


So yes, there is a bit of work that is going into it currently and yes it is going to cost a bit of money, but when that reel is done, my grandson, would be able to fish it in 70-80 years from now and it will still be as good as new.

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Re: Lets Talk Fly Reels.....
« Reply #31 on: May 14, 2012, 12:44:05 pm »
I really want one of the classic ones for my bamboo rod, just for show and maybe when the fishing is exceptional I might use it, but they are really works of art.


You can get some of these reels fairly cheap on E-Bay. The only thing is that you never know if the thing is 100% working order. My Skeleton I got as a gift. The frame is perfect, the clicker is a waste as is the spindle. The reel was a bit worn out as was the handle.


So yes, there is a bit of work that is going into it currently and yes it is going to cost a bit of money, but when that reel is done, my grandson, would be able to fish it in 70-80 years from now and it will still be as good as new.

If there are fish left in our rivers and dams
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Re: Lets Talk Fly Reels.....
« Reply #32 on: May 14, 2012, 12:51:35 pm »
If there are fish left in our rivers and dams


They say that some people are so negative, that not even HIV can get them positive :rain:

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Re: Lets Talk Fly Reels.....
« Reply #33 on: May 14, 2012, 12:53:12 pm »
If there are fish left in our rivers and dams


They say that some people are so negative, that not even HIV can get them positive :rain:

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The glass is not half empty - the container was just designed to hold double the amount of fluid
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Re: Lets Talk Fly Reels.....
« Reply #34 on: May 14, 2012, 01:05:29 pm »
If there are fish left in our rivers and dams


They say that some people are so negative, that not even HIV can get them positive :rain:

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The glass is not half empty - the container was just designed to hold double the amount of fluid


I wouldn't drink 10ml of water from the tap where you are staying. Maybe it's the water that got to you...... duh

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Re: Lets Talk Fly Reels.....
« Reply #35 on: May 14, 2012, 01:13:55 pm »
I can send you some if you want as rand water only sends up to JHB.

On another subject - I know that a good reel will cost more but is there a difference between a R3000 reel and a R6000 reel?
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Re: Lets Talk Fly Reels.....
« Reply #36 on: May 14, 2012, 01:15:15 pm »
I can send you some if you want as rand water only sends up to JHB.

On another subject - I know that a good reel will cost more but is there a difference between a R3000 reel and a R6000 reel?


Yes R3000

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Re: Lets Talk Fly Reels.....
« Reply #37 on: May 14, 2012, 01:17:25 pm »
Ok I am sticking to tap water...

Besides the price - Do you get smoother drag, ect if you pay more, or do you pay for name and import duties?
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Re: Lets Talk Fly Reels.....
« Reply #38 on: May 14, 2012, 01:49:23 pm »
Will look there thanks. Hope that our waters still have life in them in 70 years time..

I would also like to know the difference  between these high end reels? I must say that reading the CFF 5WT shootout article earlier this week and after UrbanFF told me yesterday to read same kind of article on int magazines I am confused.. I get it that some gear are better than others, but doing the same tests should yield similar results, who should we believe? I do realize that the same is true for reels as many users as many people who love certain brands.
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Re: Lets Talk Fly Reels.....
« Reply #39 on: May 14, 2012, 01:54:44 pm »
Ok I am sticking to tap water...

Besides the price - Do you get smoother drag, ect if you pay more, or do you pay for name and import duties?


Go back to my first post this morning.......


It should contain this......


I don't want to go into too much detail, as I am busy with an article on reels. What I can say is that this article will answer a few questions in terms of cost, different types of fly reels, different designs, different materials used, etc, etc.

So give me time to finish my article and you will have all the answers soon.
This thread is not about why is this reel more expensive than this one, it's a celebration of reels....Cheap, Old, Junk, Collectible, Expensive, Wanna-Have, Must-Have, etc.


The Article should be done by the end of the month and it will be in a complete new thread. Something like how do I choose the correct fly reel or something like that.