The Art of Sliding - A review of the Sliding technique

[Spieks]

Pull your tag end tight firs.....

Excuse my ignorance but wich tag end Spieks, sorry u dealing with a novice here.....

This will explain...!
 

• Knots have their own terminology. The "tag end" (sometimes called the "working end") is the
end of the line used to tie the knot. The "standing end" is that part of the line coming from

your fishing reel.

[Spieks]

Moz, also reduce your "windings" on the albright, I count about ten on your knot. Remember to push your tag end through the loop in the oppositedirection to! Like Tony said, use plenty gob and pull tight slowly! First in your hands and then over your shoulders and back...! See what works for you mate!

[mozhunter]

Pull your tag end tight firs.....

Excuse my ignorance but wich tag end Spieks, sorry u dealing with a novice here.....

This will explain...!
 

• Knots have their own terminology. The "tag end" (sometimes called the "working end") is the
end of the line used to tie the knot. The "standing end" is that part of the line coming from

your fishing reel.

Thanks Spieks!! I was pulling on the standing end hence the burn but it     difficult to get the line to move when pulling on the tag end put will   keep on trying, it is like the mono is biting into the covered nylon of   the steel maybe spraying with DWD 40 will help 
Some  to u my friend.

[mozhunter]

 

Moz, also reduce your "windings" on the albright, I count about ten on your knot. Remember to push your tag end through the loop in the oppositedirection to! Like Tony said, use plenty gob and pull tight slowly! First in your hands and then over your shoulders and back...! See what works for you mate!

I did 5 winds down and 5 winds back over the winds as i am using the Geoff Wilson's complete book of fishing knots. I will try with less.

[Spieks]

Moz, also reduce your "windings" on the albright, I count about ten on your knot. Remember to push your tag end through the loop in the oppositedirection to! Like Tony said, use plenty gob and pull tight slowly! First in your hands and then over your shoulders and back...! See what works for you mate!

I did 5 winds down and 5 winds back over the winds as i am using the Geoff Wilson's complete book of fishing knots. I will try with less.

Try using only the 5 winds back....!

[mozhunter]

Moz, we used to use the ALbright knot to do this, but most guys have moved on to a Double Fig 8 when joining the steel to the leader. Try it, it's easier too and doesn't slip like the Albright does.
But when doing the Albright, make sure you LUBE the knot copiously (gob on it!) before tightening, allows the mono to slip and form without burning. Also, keep the tag end of your mono at least 1cm long, because this knot definitely tends to slip a little under pressure.

Thanks ReefMan and Spieks!! yes i hear what u say and it is true, when i exerted pressure on the joint it came appart and really started to S T myself, i managed to follow Spieks advise and it is better with less winds. I will try the double figure 8 but please explain does it pull thight up against the steel because most of the time the figure 8 is used for making a loop and joining two lines with loops so to speak. Will search the forum to see what i can see for that knot.
Once again thanks to all my UA brothers for your help!

[REEFMAN]

Moz... give me some time and I'll load up a tut on how to do it. The back to back Fig 8 snugs up tight against each other and is a better knot than the Albright for this application. Fig 8 is also known as the Centauri knot.
In the meantime, this will give you a rough idea... http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=67.0
On that thread, the process is similar, except you don't have a double line. Just substitute the double line for the Steel and only make 2 turns in the steel. The rest is the same. 2 turn Fig 8 in the steel, 3 turns in the mono. (If you're using 1.2mm leader and above, you only need 2 turns in the mono).
When making the steel Fig 8, pull it half tight with pliers. Then make the Mono Fig 8. Slide them together (after lubing), when they touch, take the pliers and tighten the steel Fig 8 properly. Then pull together as tight as you can.

[REEFMAN]

Ok, so here's the tut on the Fig 8 method.... http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=17488.msg295838#msg295838

[Spieks]

Ok, so here's the tut on the Fig 8 method.... http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=17488.msg295838#msg295838

 

[mozhunter]

Ok, so here's the tut on the Fig 8 method.... http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=17488.msg295838#msg295838

 

Thanks for the TUT Reefman!! I Will try this tonight and i really need to invest in a vinger safer lol. Ok i did all the knots possible with steel and mono today for my sliding expedition, and another knot i did is the Yucatan knot for joining Mono and steel. I am using 40Lb Mono and 100Lb carbon coated steel wire from fishmate. I found the yucatan knot very easy and neat to make and as soon as you start pulling the steel coils nicely on its own. Below is some pics i made of the knot and please dont  me as my hands is so tender from all the knots from mono to steel today i know it needs to sit tighter and will get it done with a tighter pull and lots of GOB as Reefs says lol. Once again thanks for all you help i will try yours tonight.


I would like your guys thoughts on the Yucatan.





This is mine i made

[mozhunter]

Dont know if it pulled thru the pics.





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[Spieks]

Dont know if it pulled thru the pics.





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Nope, dont think so Moz!

[REEFMAN]

Thanks for the TUT Reefman!! I Will try this tonight and i really need to invest in a vinger safer lol. Ok i did all the knots possible with steel and mono today for my sliding expedition, and another knot i did is the Yucatan knot for joining Mono and steel. I am using 40Lb Mono and 100Lb carbon coated steel wire from fishmate. I found the yucatan knot very easy and neat to make and as soon as you start pulling the steel coils nicely on its own. Below is some pics i made of the knot and please dont  me as my hands is so tender from all the knots from mono to steel today i know it needs to sit tighter and will get it done with a tighter pull and lots of GOB as Reefs says lol. Once again thanks for all you help i will try yours tonight.


I would like your guys thoughts on the Yucatan.

MozH... I'm confused here... your leader is 40lb Mono??? That's about 0.55mm leader? If your leader is 0.55, then what's your mainline? A 0.55mm leader is considered light tackle! The Very minimum  you should be using for a leader needed for sliding is 0.8, but preferably 1mm... 1mm leader is 120lb... and that's the minimum!

A 0.55mm leader can only throw a 4 or 5 oz sinker? May as well cast the bait then?

0.55mm leader definitely doesn't need a steel piece to the stopper ring.

[mozhunter]

Thanks for the TUT Reefman!! I Will try this tonight and i really need to invest in a vinger safer lol. Ok i did all the knots possible with steel and mono today for my sliding expedition, and another knot i did is the Yucatan knot for joining Mono and steel. I am using 40Lb Mono and 100Lb carbon coated steel wire from fishmate. I found the yucatan knot very easy and neat to make and as soon as you start pulling the steel coils nicely on its own. Below is some pics i made of the knot and please dont  me as my hands is so tender from all the knots from mono to steel today i know it needs to sit tighter and will get it done with a tighter pull and lots of GOB as Reefs says lol. Once again thanks for all you help i will try yours tonight.


I would like your guys thoughts on the Yucatan.

MozH... I'm confused here... your leader is 40lb Mono??? That's about 0.55mm leader? If your leader is 0.55, then what's your mainline? A 0.55mm leader is considered light tackle! The Very minimum  you should be using for a leader needed for sliding is 0.8, but preferably 1mm... 1mm leader is 120lb... and that's the minimum!

A 0.55mm leader can only throw a 4 or 5 oz sinker? May as well cast the bait then?

0.55mm leader definitely doesn't need a steel piece to the stopper ring.

Sorry my mainline is 0.55mm 15kg breaking strain the mono is 1mm at 120lb rating and the steel at 100lb


The   reason why i want to slide is to get the bait out further, it is   impossible to cast a big bait out so far this is why we slide is it not?   Also to slide your live bait i can not cas that far with heavy bait due   to a shoulder injury i had but it is more manageable to cast a sinker   and then slide , cause i can reach 120m to 150m on my line counter.   Remember i am sliding for edibles not for sharks i am not into shark   fishing.


Please correct me if i am wrong all opinions will be appreciated.

[REEFMAN]

Ok that sounds better!
If you're targetting edibles, then the Steel endpiece becomes unnecessary. It is there to provide protection when a shark wraps the leader round it's sandpaper skin.
 

[mozhunter]

Ok that sounds better!
If you're targetting edibles, then the Steel endpiece becomes unnecessary. It is there to provide protection when a shark wraps the leader round it's sandpaper skin.

Thanks, u see now why we confide in u for advise, i did not know it was for that i thought it was for burn off, i am quite successful in all aspects of freshwater angling but not salt, thus want to try and get it right.


Thanks for all the help Reefs!!!

[Alf03]

I have tried to use those pins to pin my baits but they just slide out. Any advice?

[MIKE PIKE]

Alf03 , the pins have to go more or less 90 degrees into the bait and thru the eye end of the hook , if the bait is frozen it will hold and try to source longer pins at local sewing shop , the normal short ones dont go in deep enough .   

[Alf03]

Thanks Mike

[Half-Pint]

You may need to push more than one pin in or use a toothpick