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360 sonar
« on: April 03, 2018, 10:49:48 pm »
Does anybody have something like the Humminbird 360 imaging sonar on their boat?


Other than the obvious advantages like structure location relative to boat position,
Seeing structure before to drive over it and so forth, is there any other benefits to perhaps using such a system?


What’s your take on it?



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Re: 360 sonar
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2018, 06:53:54 am »
What a tool to have when stationed or drifting, side scan down scan and sonar would would never help in that situation, and that's when you do all your fishing

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Re: 360 sonar
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2018, 11:04:09 am »
Spoke to another fisho yesterday and he mentioned that a customer of his uses his 360 to isolate a certain portion of the circle (like a pie chart on exel) then uses that pie slice to scan down the banks as he trolls along. I know that the system allows for selecting forward, left, right and rear halves of the scan to be focussed and if I remember correctly the system also allows for smaller portions of this circle to be used on their own and I can see how this could increase ones ability to see structure in the focussed area before getting too close to it.

Had another discussion again and some of the blokes were not convinced of its benefits. They claim one can do with side and down imaging and don't need 360. The argument that one needs to drive over structure in case of Down imaging and past structure in case of Side imaging to me, in addition to the structure orientation relative to the bow when locked/anchored, is what I deem to be the difference and the main benefits of a 360 sonar.

There are guys that swear by it and then there are just as many that reject it as of any value. the verdict is still not settled......
 Think I need to see if someone has this on their boat, go and fish with this person for a day and see what the hype or not is all about.
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Re: 360 sonar
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2018, 12:57:44 pm »
I'm m sure there are situations where either or will work better, I still think the 360 is the ultimate scan. 360 will always give you what's in the bottom continuously  as in real time where down and side you have to back track and have zig zag tge area.
As you said bud, best to test the unit before. I tell you this much, it will sell itself as soon as you arrive at the chosen spot.

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Re: 360 sonar
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2018, 09:22:13 pm »
Think so too, perhaps even before I reach the spot as it will let me know well in advance where the spot is!


Just strange that it seems nobody else on UA is using such a system, given most boaters here are salty fishos and apparently it’s not that efficient in the big blue due to depth, but still?
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Re: 360 sonar
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2018, 10:42:50 am »
Not too experienced but been out enough..Here's my take, in the sea one doesn't use the finder that much and hardly ever to look for fish. We use it to look at how deep the thermocline is sitting at and to identify the drop-offs and ledges etc. The skipper knows the reefs and pinnacles like the back of his hand already and we aren't looking for endangered reef species and caves etc.. The main help is colour and having a big screen with high resolution to see clearly. We would have seen the birds already and fish will be on the surface, or we will get fish on troll, knowing the line or contour to follow anyway and using the depth and or following colour lines, using the thermometer..on a screen a worm is a worm, whether in colour, 3d or whatever and if one passes a reef and sees some worms, drop a bait, 360 won't assist you here. The only time we really sound for fish is looking for geelbek shoals, but when we do we know they are around and in the area and one could really just anchor, chum 5kg pillies and they will come to you.. The tuna boat I fish off has 360 and side scan and forward scan etc..but I've only seen it used once to test it, when you are chunking you want to see the worms deep under the boat and when on the troll the bottom is like a kilometer down and you are doing knots and even if one would see a fish on 360, what can one do about it?

Bass fishing in my canoe in a dam with trees, old river channels and submerged roads etc..now we are talking that is when I use my sounder to look for fish and ID structure..

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Re: 360 sonar
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2018, 10:47:50 am »
although the salt guys do catch big fish, they not all that  sophisticated  :hehe: , the cheapest finder for depth and a few gps coords, unlike us that turn every stone over and smell for bass farts floating coupled to tech stuff worth a second bond

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Re: 360 sonar
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2018, 12:30:55 pm »
Thanx for the replies and that's what I meant when saying most boaters here are fishing the salt so they'd probably not use it as it is not really efficient for what it is intended.

Was going to hold back on it a bit longer but arriving at work this morning there was some budgetary hush hush and that forced me into something I wasn't really geared to do, short of the long, Ill have some extra money month end, so might as well get one if the outcome of looking into it is positive.
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Re: 360 sonar
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2018, 08:08:52 am »
It's relatively new technology wait a year or so till the bugs are out and the price has dropped by half then buy it. Then immediate think abut buying the next big thing in sonar technology the super duper wing ding bing bing Transducer that will tell you the age, sex and species of fish and whether or not its hungry.

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Re: 360 sonar
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2018, 09:53:50 am »
It's relatively new technology wait a year or so till the bugs are out and the price has dropped by half then buy it. Then immediate think abut buying the next big thing in sonar technology the super duper wing ding bing bing Transducer that will tell you the age, sex and species of fish and whether or not its hungry.

I hear you Cam, but these have been around for some years now,

"With its ability to provide anglers with stunning underwater imagery up to 150 feet in every
direction, Humminbird’s 360 Imaging™ has been heralded as the biggest advancement in fishing
electronics since Humminbird introduced Side Imaging™ in 2005.

From its introduction in February 2012 at the Bassmaster Classic, the technology quickly set a
new precedent for fishing electronics. In July 2012, 360 Imaging was voted “Best of Show” in
the Electronics division of ICAST 2012 by global fishing media members."


so the bugs should be sorted but the price seems to just go up as time progresses. They recently launched the transom unit that is automated wrt to being deployed and stowed(electronic) but being at the back of the boat when were up front will always have the length of the boat as an offset. Nonetheless, if it comes to competitive fishing and you're the bloke without the advances in technology still using search baits as your main fish locating tool, you will without a doubt be at a huge disadvantage to those that use the advances. Like using a paddle to go fish three miles off-shore as opposed to have a decent outboard on the stern.

One important thing to note is the requirement to understand the tech you put on the boat, there's no use to have the biggest baddest piece of electronics that can as you've put it " even tell you the sex, age etc etc... of a fish" but you don't know how it works. This is something I see so often on the water. Guys have things on boats that makes the boat look more like some hi-tech spacecraft that a fishing platform, some even have three huge (15" screens) top of the range fishfinders at the console and another two at the bow, but they don't know how to use the stuff and always end up somewhere in the middle of the results.

Hence the research into what the capabilities and advances a 360 imaging unit would bring. I need to understand the benefits, (what it does and how that can be useful or not) before I take the plunge and buy one.
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Re: 360 sonar
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2018, 10:06:20 am »
Another argument for the "CONS" column I heard, was that 360 doesn't work in grass. Which by the way is true, but the same applies to 2D sonar, Down Imaging and Side Imaging.

What it does do and where it works is that you can see the edge/s of the grass line and do so well in advance with no need to first drive/troll down/over the area to establish the parameters of the structure, then go back and still sit there and guess where exactly the rock/tree/deeper grass point/ whatever is in relation to your position. I personally am convinced that the almost real-time "forward" looking sonar is the main and probably the only real advantage of 360 imaging. There are some claims that one can see if structure actually holds fish or not, but I'm a wee bit sceptical about this, not saying its not possible, just saying that settings to effect this might be cumbersome to refresh rates thus affecting the effectiveness of the information relating to the orientation of the structure to the boat if the boat is moving about. 
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Re: 360 sonar
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2018, 02:45:03 pm »
When the finder tells you the depth is 5m and you know the mark is actually 30m deep...drop your bait, dollie or jig and stop looking at the screen, it's wall to wall down there! ;) HAHAHA oh what fun fishing is..

Another thing is that the fish can hear the sonar..I was watching a video somewhere looking at the noise created and the reactions of the fish when a sounder was switched on, there more noise and reaction than I expected, when they put the chirp on it really made a racket as far as the fish was concerned..now what about side scanning, down scanning, 3d imaging etc..those fish will be aware of you miles away? What do you reckon?

But then again, as cam says when the tech goes mainstream and is mature and half priced then go for it..the last gen of chirp downscanning/side scanning garmins are cheap as and are amazing anyway to look at where you are fishing, we had spotted seals sunbathing and gone looking underneath with the downvu/sidevu and could make out the shape clearly of individual bull chokkas on the bottom lying at an angle..was pretty cool but either way we knew those squid were there, we put one on as a livebait and trolled it, as we went over some big worms midwater on the screen skipper says hold on, and the squid behind gets chowed, as it goes..but ja in the sea not much real advantage to the model we had before, just nice to look at.

Watch the new blue planet 2 with regards to the fish sounds underwater, it is quite amazing..and then we drive past with our sidescanning, down scanning chirping 3d imagining noise machines..it may get to the point where you use them for recon and then fish without for the results later..?
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Re: 360 sonar
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2018, 06:40:18 pm »
The oceans are very noise places... a sonar will/might be detected but I doubt it will have any more or less effect than outboards, other fish farting or a mantis shrimp stunning its prey... very different from lab conditions... I think...

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Re: 360 sonar
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2018, 06:44:10 pm »
On the use of sophisticated technology.... yes we can't afford to live in the 1800's but there's a lot of value in paying attention to the conditions and the natural signs... I find that I learn more about and catch more, if I pay attention to these signs and related that to my catches ... instead of spending half the day looking at the screen... talking about about deepsea fishing

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Re: 360 sonar
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2018, 06:59:01 pm »
Thanks so much for the responses, really nice to see other views and learning a whole heap in the process.


Electronics and the sounds they make.



Also wondered about that for a long time and what you say makes sense. Also I know sound travels further under water than through the air and can see how this can be a problem, however for bass we actually make use of sound generating lures, albeit perhaps not the same sounds, but there’s even a sound generating piece of electronics called a Hydrowave, especially to get fish into biting that otherwise wouldn’t want to?


So now what?


Well as far as sound from imaging electronics goes, I’m sure it will have an effect on fish (bass too I suppose) how much remains debatable. We’ve fished on many occasions striaght down onto some structure and got bit. There are times too many to even remember when fish actually grabbed the lures right at the boat with at least two transducers running, both mine has CHIRP and Mega imagining capabilities.


Some other noise/s I know makes them flee is the troll motor, loud bangs of hatch lids, elephant footed friends and gunfire. Don’t ask!


The real question still remains if it’ll be worth it if, as far as I could conclude (not final) the main advantage is being able to pinpoint the exact place in a place, the spot on the spot so to speak to make the cast to. If buying it here in “bend over” sunny SA, then the answer is a most definite NO, but if I buy it across the big Blue, then it becomes a whole R8K more reasonable and then it would definitely be worth it, even if it only provides a real-time location of structure surrounding the boat.




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Re: 360 sonar
« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2018, 07:08:26 pm »
On the use of sophisticated technology.... yes we can't afford to live in the 1800's but there's a lot of value in paying attention to the conditions and the natural signs... I find that I learn more about and catch more if I pay attention to these signs and related that to my catches ... instead of spending half the day looking at the screen... talking about about deepsea...

my 2 ariary cents


That is also very true and we do pay intense attention to these natural signs, but with a freshwater pond there’s a whole lot less natural signs that would otherwise be of assistance on the sea. Structure (all kinds) plays a very very large role in bass fishing, be it rocks, cliffs, humps, boulders, channels, grass, weeds, trees, divets in otherwise flat areas and perhaps this is why finding structure is so critically important to a bass fisherman.
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Re: 360 sonar
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2018, 07:37:55 pm »
Look at this clip and perhaps that would explain why I’m considering getting one. Check the whole clip although he makes several references to the All terrain jig etc etc.


https://youtu.be/Rw2keec7qco
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Re: 360 sonar
« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2018, 02:02:51 am »
Ja for bass..the gps lock/trolling motor and high resolution imaging/360...wow,  that is ridiculous..what a game changer for competitive bassing I'm sure! No place to hide haha! Good video..
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