Ultra light knot help needed

[CRANKMAN]

I bought a spool of ultra light line a while back, but have not fished with it much as I can't get any of my knots to hold.


The line is labeled as 0.14 mm / 2.75 kg, but in reality it is a lot thinner. In the pictures it is photographed through a magnifying glass next to some Double X labeled with the same specs and a sewing needle. To me it looks and feels about half the thickness and appears to have about 80% breaking strain[size=78%].[/size]


What knots would you recommend for line this thin? I want to tie it direct to a 16 or 18 hook. I am targeting Largescale Yellowfish in crystal clean water.


Thanks

[Davo]

Hi Crankman


I would use the palomar knot, here is link to a animated knot web site. www.netknots.com/fishing_knots/palomar-knot
There are afew other knots that are good with very light line but the palomar knot is easy to tie and near 100% strong.


Hope this helps

[Capt. Hook]

Palomar knot as mentioned above, am sure that thin line will pass easily through those small hook eyes twice.

If it does not go through twice then use a modified clinch knot.

[CRANKMAN]

Thanks Davo.
I thought the palomar was more suited to thicker line, I will give it a try. It doesn't have too many bends or wraps and being double through the eye it may do the trick. This line almost feels "brittle", so the uni knot (which I normally use) seems to pinch too tight and it always gives at the eye.

[Lenny]

Capt hook , has good advice , double thought the hook eye .


I often mess around with  a 2.6 kg 5 lbs xx .


It's really thin .
Good news is that here in Struis , you have and added advantage when fishing so light for grunters ect . It for a fact makes a difference in bite ratio.


Its a bit of a mind shift , if you're use to fish with braid and thiker mono .
These thin line snap easy .
You really got to take your time to play these fish , to land them .
It's really fun , and avoid challenge .

[Rory]

Sean that brand of line can be pretty tricky to knot in general. We tried using it for leader line here on the Vaal specifically for the thin diameter, but scrapped it because of knot issues. Knots must tied slow and carefully, and always add an extra twist or three on the knots. Never found a dropper type loop knot that worked on that line....

[Dewald Posthumus]

I use a modified clinch knot on 5lb line - but it is coupled with a 500 size reel and fly rod for kurper. No real pressure on the knot though from a fly rod..
If you were to apply pressure, then use Palomar knot as other indicated

[CRANKMAN]

Thanks everyone.


What about a dab of superglue on the knot? Some oldtimers I knew in Scotland used to swear by it...

[FishStyx]

Snell?... Never tried it on thin line but it has the right attributes for the application.

[Nooduck]

Thanks everyone.


What about a dab of superglue on the knot? Some oldtimers I knew in Scotland used to swear by it...

Just test that the glue you are using for "line friendliness" and if it is waterproof.

[David Taylor]

I regularly use 0.1mm and sometimes 0.08mm. I have never had a problem with a clinch knot for tying on hooks. Fishing comp you tend to pull fish to the edge of the line braking strain so I have tested it well. If you are joining 2 thin lines together use a surgeons knot. A blood knot can be difficult with thin line and often creates weak points. Surgeons is the best I have come across so far and it has the added advantage of being a dropper knot. Hope this helps

[colin]

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I thought the palomar was more suited to thicker line, I will give it a try. It doesn't have too many bends or wraps and being double through the eye it may do the trick. This line almost feels "brittle", so the uni knot (which I normally use) seems to pinch too tight and it always gives at the eye.
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I have also found the thin diameter Arwa Shima line , brown, very brittle , The thicker line +_ .30 green seems ok.