Author Topic: Joining Braid backing to nylon- (Read 11381 times)

tkei · « **on:** November 14, 2014, 03:47:37 PM »

One of my brothers tyrnos 50's had straight mon on it that was shot so we replacing. All our other reels have dacron backing and then 250-350 50lb topshot.
We cant get 50lb dacron here at the moment and he is going marlin fishing next week so need to respool this weekend. He can get 50lb HMP backing braid (600m) or use ravex 80lb braid. Will the 50 cut through the nylon under pressure as its thin.

I usually double bimini the nylon and dacron and cats paw. is this also the knot to use for braid? I dont want to spend a fortune on fuel, get the strike and then have it cut off by using wrong join.
I would prefer dacron but as I said there isn't any in El at the moment, only 80lb which is too thick.

REEFMAN · « **Reply #1 on:** November 14, 2014, 03:59:22 PM »

Ya Adam, that's the way we do it in R/s. Bimini in 50lb braid (40 turns), Bimini in mono (20 turns) and join with a CatsPaw. Not much to beat this join.

tkei · « **Reply #2 on:** November 14, 2014, 04:01:50 PM »

Thanks Reefs, just wondered if there was another better way. I got some winding ahead for me this weekend. 1 tyrons 50 and 2 tld 50's.

REEFMAN · « **Reply #3 on:** November 14, 2014, 04:04:20 PM »

Put the spool in an electirc drill, goes chop-chop!

Poenie · « **Reply #4 on:** November 14, 2014, 04:12:39 PM »

That knot has held up to some BIG tuna, 80lb braid to 80lb topshot! Can't think of a better knot for that application!
Tight lines and enjoy the winding!
Reefs, the drill only works to take line OFF! I have however seen a VERY nice tool, also using a drill, which actually spools your reel. Reel is fitted to a real-seat, with the reel handle connecting to another handle, which is powered by a drill.

tkei · « **Reply #5 on:** November 14, 2014, 04:19:27 PM »

Thats cheating, but I do do that to empty the old line oof.
I see on your tut ont he cats paw you pass it through 12-14 times with braid. for dacron i only do about 4-5. is it necessary to do as many as 14?

Poenie · « **Reply #6 on:** November 14, 2014, 04:21:13 PM »

In my experience, CERTAINLY not! 5-7 is plenty for 80lb.

REEFMAN · « **Reply #7 on:** November 15, 2014, 05:42:53 AM »

Currently I do 8 turns in the Catspaw with 50lb braid. I have spooled several reels using a drill. Just need to cover the spool shaft with some cloth to protect it in the chuck. Aso need to make sure you spool in the right direction

Works very well with braid especially , getting it nice and tight. The spool of line I mount in another drill in a vice, which keeps tension for you.

travelmember · « **Reply #8 on:** November 15, 2014, 06:39:31 AM »

Use 80lb rather than 50. 5 - 8 times through. Just done 4 x 30's with 10kg (almost 5kms) for nationals - all manual. Good training for when the big girl takes

Trevour · « **Reply #9 on:** November 15, 2014, 10:50:32 PM »

Is the bimini as strong a a stitched loop?

Poenie · « **Reply #10 on:** November 15, 2014, 10:52:49 PM »

Bimini is supposed to have 100% knot strength if tied correctly.

REEFMAN · « **Reply #11 on:** November 16, 2014, 05:59:19 AM »

Quote from: Trevour on November 15, 2014, 10:50:32 PM

Is the bimini as strong a a stitched loop?

No it's not. Stitched loop in braid is always first prize, but you can't stitch Mono!

cyclone 123 · « **Reply #12 on:** November 16, 2014, 06:49:21 AM »

What about the PR knot?

Prego · « **Reply #13 on:** November 16, 2014, 08:12:01 PM »

I would think that 50 or 80lb mono is not thick enough for braid to bite into it using a PR and if it did it would part pretty quickly?

Poenie · « **Reply #14 on:** November 16, 2014, 08:30:20 PM »

Not quite so Prego, I use it on 30lb braid to 50lb leader very successfully on my spinning and jigging tackle.

GT Mayhem · « **Reply #15 on:** November 17, 2014, 09:13:47 AM »

any "knot" in braid is going to weaken it.
splice is the way to go, or pr/fg knot imo

Poenie · « **Reply #16 on:** November 17, 2014, 09:20:33 AM »

Have a look at how a Bimini "weakens" (or not) your line...
"More about double lines

If you tie a double line to the leader, you then place the knot used (Bimini, spider hitch, surgeon's, etc.) between the single line and the leader, and you need to know the breaking strength of that knot. In this case, I tied some quick 12-turn Biminis and found they averaged about 45 pounds (Tied with 30lb Suffix, tested to break at 46lb average) at the break point. Using that as a benchmark, with these materials, any knot connecting a double line to leader that breaks at 45pounds is 100 percent - relative to the Bimini."
Full article, worth a read @ :
http://www.sportfishingmag.com/techniques/sport-fishing-knot-challenge

GT Mayhem · « **Reply #17 on:** November 17, 2014, 09:37:16 AM »

What is the breaking strain on that line without a knot in it at all?

Poenie · « **Reply #18 on:** November 17, 2014, 09:40:00 AM »

(Tied with 30lb Suffix, tested to break at 46lb average

WJ · « **Reply #19 on:** November 17, 2014, 09:45:31 AM »

Would a bob sands not work for this?