Author Topic: Static magging a Penn torque and other reels (Read 77514 times)

BAUMANNATOR · « **on:** June 03, 2014, 08:32:55 PM »

After casting with this reel for a while now, I have had both incredible results (182m) and many blow-ups and over thumbing. It is a beaut of a reel, but in real fishing scenarios daunting.
So I did some research and decided to static mag it. This involes using a rare earth magnet (as used on name badges) to slow the spool down by using the resultant eddy currents generated by the non- magnetic spool during revolving at high speed.

I used a scrap book spine screw to make an adjustable break. This was epoxied onto the side plate withe the magnet superglued (gel) on the female.The distance from the sideplate to the spool was measured and the screw filed to be 3mm off, allowing it to be adjusted clser if need be.

The final result was amasing. I cast 5 casts, got the average after measuring with a rangefinder and my son as the runner. ..162m with a 6oz and 36T, T53 medium heavy rod. Next I simulated a clip bait by using a hockey ball (6oz).... 136m was the average of 3 casts.
I feel this is an area that can be pursued by folks using braid on conventionals in controlling backlashes.

MIKE PIKE · « **Reply #1 on:** June 03, 2014, 08:55:39 PM »

Now this sounds interesting , would you be able to post some pics at a later stage
BAUMANNATOR , mods like this is facinating stuff .

BAUMANNATOR · « **Reply #2 on:** June 03, 2014, 09:24:53 PM »

Not sure how to post the photos from my phone.... Was going to do a pictorial, but came undone

BAUMANNATOR · « **Reply #3 on:** June 03, 2014, 10:41:00 PM »

Here are some photos

REEFMAN · « **Reply #4 on:** June 04, 2014, 08:46:36 AM »

Now this has got my interest... please post some more pics! More info...!

How is the screw "adjustable" once it;s glued. Have you got a pic of the magnet? I assume it's glued to the spool?

CLS · « **Reply #5 on:** June 04, 2014, 01:03:55 PM »

Interesting indeed.

BAUMANNATOR · « **Reply #6 on:** June 04, 2014, 05:41:31 PM »

You use the srew function to screw it in or out 'till you get the resistance you want. The fact is I made up 3 of different lengths, tested them and then decided on the one I like the most. Once decided, I measure and then do one to screw in tight to the length. The screws are easy to come by, cost litttle (R2.50 each). The one side is 'fixed' to the sideplate and then you simply superglue a magnet to the other then swap out 'till you achieve your required resistance. You then only simply remove when reverting back to blinding speed.

I found that you can push your cast harder and with more confidence, especially with bait.

BAUMANNATOR · « **Reply #7 on:** June 04, 2014, 05:45:32 PM »

Some more picks

BAUMANNATOR · « **Reply #8 on:** June 04, 2014, 05:46:51 PM »

The screw before fixing to sideplate.

BAUMANNATOR · « **Reply #9 on:** June 04, 2014, 06:40:11 PM »

REEFZ, just remember the spool is not affected in anyway. The magnet causes resistance of the 'eddy currents' generated by the spool and thus never comes into contact. Nothing is placed on the spool. You are merely introducing a magnetic fiels amongst the 'eddy caurrents' and thus 'braking'. It is the smoothest form of resistance. Using lubricants to increase resistance by varying viscosity is really more laboursome and affected by temperature changes more.

2bar.boost · « **Reply #10 on:** June 04, 2014, 06:57:32 PM »

I love mag brakes, was using a okuma contoura for the last few years and just love it, bought a okuma cortez 12
recently because I could'nt find any other brand with mag brakes with a decent spool size. I get much better
distance with the brakes set than when its off. GReat job making it work on a larger reel Baumannator.
I just wish the "bigger" brand names start putting mag options.
The penn squall was to small so I went the okuma route

REEFMAN · « **Reply #11 on:** June 04, 2014, 08:33:57 PM »

Damn, wish I understood what you were doing... sounds good but I can't get my head round what you're explaining. You don't perhaps feel like doing a step by step Tut by any chance?

BAUMANNATOR · « **Reply #12 on:** June 04, 2014, 08:44:08 PM »

2bar in my searching there were chaps who magged even Senators. They all made use of glueing the magnets on a type of rail. I saw an opportunity to make it slightly adjustable to fine tune. If it works for tournament casting ; ie, the abu's and daiwa 7ht's, it can only help in bigger reels without cast controls.
I did not want to make a ' nobby' that adjusts externally as it destroys the aesthetics and compromises the reels corrosion protection.

BAUMANNATOR · « **Reply #13 on:** June 04, 2014, 08:57:50 PM »

REEFZ IT IS ACTUALLY SIMPLE.
Open the side plate and. measure with a vernier the depth of the side plate where there is space, to place the mag.
Now measure the depth of the inside of the sppol from the frame. Add the two together and you now know your clearance.

Now take the threaded component and glue onto the sidecover. Glue your magnet (rare earth) onto the head of the female part. When dry screw together and measure their combined total depth. Now file from both. Untill you are at least 2-3mm p#ast what you calculated. You put the cover back on and make sure you are not touching the spool. Spin the spool and notice how it slows down fast. You now have magged your reel. Play and cast till you get the resistance that suits your need. Clear nail polish the components and voila.;

REEFMAN · « **Reply #14 on:** June 05, 2014, 01:36:43 PM »

Ok next question... where does one get Rare earth magnets from? Been looking at some overseas websites that Stat Mag their reels, most of them glue a template onto the side plate, then attach magnets to it. Thinking of doing my Penn Fathom, which also has a free floating spool shaft like the Torque, and could do with a bit more control in the cast.

setobla · « **Reply #15 on:** June 05, 2014, 01:39:18 PM »

@reefman

why would you want to do that to the fathom? arent the brackes enough or are you going to remove the braking system them?

i still dont understand the magnet concept

i know that the squall comes with mag system. wouldnt it then be better to buy a squall?

ek is maar stupid jong

REEFMAN · « **Reply #16 on:** June 05, 2014, 02:17:13 PM »

Nee wat, ek is stupider as jy!
The Fathom is manageable to cast, only just, but with a Mag system, it should slow the spool down sufficiently to be able to throw harder. It's not critical, but I've always been interested in Magging, because all the Champion long distance casters use them. So I want to play around with it and see what it actually does... maybe we'll start a new "T R E N D"!

2bar.boost · « **Reply #17 on:** June 05, 2014, 02:19:18 PM »

Reefman might agree the squall only has mags on the 2 smallest models which is too small I think
and the fathoms centrifugal brakes are not as good as mag, theres actual friction for it to work vs mags
Best part is if you tune the mag right you use your thumb very little, i tap the drum twice when casting
, once when the sinker leaves and when it hits the water, I get 100m with a 12' rod 5oz with mono

http://www.pennreels.com/products/reels/conventional-reels/star-drag-reels/squall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux3vbd-_mas

If you can borrow a magged reel from someone fore a day or two DOENIT, you will be surprised

2bar.boost · « **Reply #18 on:** June 05, 2014, 02:27:37 PM »

http://www.japantackle.com/Topics/brake_system.htm

BAUMANNATOR · « **Reply #19 on:** June 05, 2014, 05:59:26 PM »

The magnets are the same ones they use on name badges....the very ones that kill your bank card if you bring it too close.
The spool is not magnetic, but the eddy currents generated during the spinning are affected by the magnetic field of the magnet....causing resistance.