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Using Braid leaders for Casting
« on: October 17, 2013, 08:59:42 pm »
I got tired of losing expensive lures through braid snap-offs mid-cast. Leader knots in braid are notoriously fickle, especially in the thinner braids, so I learnt about this method of using a Braid leader on my spinning setups from some of the KZN spinning pro's.

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The idea is to have a 4m Braid leader (on a 10ft rod); [7m leader on a 13ft rod]; that is much stronger than the Mainline braid. This is wrapped round the spool a few turns, so that one casts off the much stronger braid. It also provides better abrasion resistance than the thinner mainline braid and saves a fortune on lures.

I've been using this setup for a few trips now and I'm sold on it.

On my 20 and 30lb mainline braid setups, I use 50lb Braid leader, 4m on a 10-11ft rod.
On the 50lb Braid mainline setups, I use 80-100lb Braid leader, 7-8m on a 13-14ft rod.

There are a number of variations in this setup.

1. Bimini mainline braid, Bimini Braid leader, join with a CatsPaw.
2. Stitch the Mainline braid into the Leader with 14 stitches, and the same with the Leader into the mainline - 14 stitches. This is fine to do at home, but impossible on the beach. This is first prize and the strongest way.
3. The way I do it - which can be easily accomplished at the beach. Make a few Braid stitched leaders at home and keep them in your tackle box.
Bimini the Mainline. Join the Loop of the Braid stitched leader to the mainline Bimini loop with a Modified CatsPaw knot, takes 1 minute on the beach.

All Braid knots will decrease the strength of the braid, sometimes by up to 40%, so the less knots in Braid the better. Enter the Braid Stitch, which is essentially a Tanaka's loop, which works through the principle of a Chinese Cuff - no loss of strength through the braid, a 100% knot. So we use this where we can.

Best is to Braid stitch the end of the Mainline into the leader, and then leader into the mainline.  This is fine because you can do this at home. Problem comes when you need to replace your Braid leader on the beach - there is no way you can stitch braid at the beach! So, we make a few Braid stitched leaders at home and keep them in your bag.
So we do a Bimini in the Mainline, joined to the Stitched leader with a Mod CatsPaw.

How to make a Braid stitch loop - http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=74.0

This is what it looks like... a 4m Casting Braid leader

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Next step is to do a Bimini double in the mainline - http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=66.0

Now you can join the Loop in the mainline to the loop in the leader with a Modified CatsPaw - http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=71.0

Once joined, then you can join the Braid leader to a 1m Fluorocarbon leader with the 7turn Uni/Fig 8 knot - http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=73.0
Or you can use the PR Knot, or the FG Knot, which is becoming very popular.

This is what you'll have:

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Bimini in the mainline - as you can see, the knot is tiny and perfectly castable through the guides.

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The 2 different setups:

1. STITCH MAINLINE DIRECTLY INTO BRAID LEADER



2. BIMINI MAINLINE WITH BRAID STITCHED LEADER





Hope this helps someone as much as it did me... changed my whole spinning experience!

Here's the Video...

Make a Casting Braid leader

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Re: Using Braid leaders for Casting
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2013, 07:49:21 am »
Used one that Reefz kindly gave me at Maps, and its still on my reel !!!

Works like a bomb !!!

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Re: Using Braid leaders for Casting
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2013, 07:55:23 am »
Used one that Reefz kindly gave me at Maps, and its still on my reel !!!

Works like a bomb !!!



You should try and use it as well :crzy

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Re: Using Braid leaders for Casting
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2013, 08:01:31 am »
Used one that Reefz kindly gave me at Maps, and its still on my reel !!!

Works like a bomb !!!



You should try and use it as well :crzy

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Re: Using Braid leaders for Casting
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2013, 08:04:37 am »
if i can only get the damn bimini's right!!!!!
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Re: Using Braid leaders for Casting
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2013, 09:00:12 am »
Reefman that a great tutorial and exactly the way we tie our leaders for spinning!
Just to add I normally remove the (wax?) coating from the braid by running it between my finger nails before tying the bimimi as this seems to allow the knots to bite better and not slip after a while.
Also when tying the cats paw the line on the reel sould be looped around the thicker braid leader - This can be done by removing the spool from the reel.


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Re: Using Braid leaders for Casting
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2013, 09:07:55 am »
if i can only get the damn bimini's right!!!!!
:corrct: I don't feel alone anymore! No matter how I try it always looks like some bird dropping!

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Re: Using Braid leaders for Casting
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2013, 09:11:46 am »
Reefman that a great tutorial and exactly the way we tie our leaders for spinning!
Just to add I normally remove the (wax?) coating from the braid by running it between my finger nails before tying the bimimi as this seems to allow the knots to bite better and not slip after a while.
Also when tying the cats paw the line on the reel sould be looped around the thicker braid leader - This can be done by removing the spool from the reel.

LH... you must try the Modified CatsPaw... it's SO much easier!

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Re: Using Braid leaders for Casting
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2013, 09:13:06 am »
if i can only get the damn bimini's right!!!!!


Marthin, have you tried this method... http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=15462.0
Try it! She's a piece of cake!

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Re: Using Braid leaders for Casting
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2013, 09:18:38 am »
yip intend to as soon as i get home this arvo.... checked the video a few times already this morning since opening the thread...

2 weeks ago i put the 15lb braid away immediately after casting off first cast, and then fished the heavier outfit....

Looks easy enough..... but ive learnt over the years watching someone do something they've done a lot and then trying it isnt the same thing....
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Re: Using Braid leaders for Casting
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2013, 09:57:28 am »
Thanks Reefman - I am using modified catspaw but prefer to have mainline wrapped around single strand of thicker braid leader than vice versa. Not sure if this makes sense without diagram.

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Re: Using Braid leaders for Casting
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2013, 10:44:37 am »
Thanks Reefman - I am using modified catspaw but prefer to have mainline wrapped around single strand of thicker braid leader than vice versa. Not sure if this makes sense without diagram.

 :corrct: Ok I'm with you. Do you think it makes a significant difference to the strength of the knot?

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Re: Using Braid leaders for Casting
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2013, 11:16:19 am »
Been thinking about this... your method won't work for me because I make the loop in the Braid stitch very small. The spool won't go through. If you use small loops, the only way is to do the Modified CatsPaw?
I'm not crazy about making bigger loops because of the fear that one may open and catch a guide on the cast?
Or am I missing something?

The loop on my Stitched leader is very small...



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Re: Using Braid leaders for Casting
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2013, 11:28:16 am »
Reefman I am not sure if tying the modified cats paw in this manner is stronger.
I now use 40lb gator braid leader and 17kg siglon flouro carbon with 12kg nanofil main line. When stuck on a reef the nanofil always parts above or on the bimimi in the nanofil.
In the past I used a cats paw and the line parted on the catspaw with the nanofil bimimi being intact with the loop being broken.
I feel that the thinner mainline that is doubled should be wrapped around the thicker braid that is a single strand.

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Re: Using Braid leaders for Casting
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2013, 11:35:52 am »
The loops in my braid leader and main line are just big enough to pass the spool of a straic 5000 through. The loops do ocassionaly catch an eye in windy conditions but not very often.

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Re: Using Braid leaders for Casting
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2013, 10:00:45 pm »
Quick hijack.....

Tony, thanx a mil. I now replaced the spider hitch connections to bimini's. I can finally do a bimini!!!!!
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Re: Using Braid leaders for Casting
« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2013, 03:44:53 am »
Thanks Mr T... :tkx:


Will be building the leaders this week.


Have some 20lbs braid on the way I want to test next Friday. Problem here is not that lures ar expensive...


Problem is there are non available...


Will give feed back.

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Re: Using Braid leaders for Casting
« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2013, 05:44:19 am »
Quick hijack.....

Tony, thanx a mil. I now replaced the spider hitch connections to bimini's. I can finally do a bimini!!!!!
Fantastic Marthin!  :win:

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Re: Using Braid leaders for Casting
« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2013, 05:48:11 am »
Thanks Mr T... :tkx:


Will be building the leaders this week.


Have some 20lbs braid on the way I want to test next Friday. Problem here is not that lures ar expensive...


Problem is there are non available...


Will give feed back.
Hope you're not going to try make 20lb leaders with a braid stitch! You will need a microscope for that.

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Re: Using Braid leaders for Casting
« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2013, 07:40:59 am »
Hehehe...


20# main line and 50# leader.