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Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2013, 12:45:16 PM »
Well done excellent tutorial. :tkx:

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Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2013, 02:17:30 PM »
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Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2013, 08:38:20 AM »
Sorry, forgot to add this to the Article above:

How the Drag increases on an emptying spool


This is a subject that most anglers should be aware of and understand, in order to avoid disasters.

When   a big fish is taking line off a reel, the tendency for most anglers is   to tighten up the Drag to try stop the fish or to try and turn it. All   good and well. A serious problem arises however, when the line being   taken continues. The tendency again is to tighten the drag once more -   this is a recipe for disaster!

Torque is the turning force required to rotate an object around a fixed axis.
Torque   (T) [Drag] depends on the Force applied to the object being turned (F)   [force on the spool] and the length of the lever arm connecting the axis   to the point of force application (r) [amount of line left on the   spool].



In   this article, we are simplying things for the sake of understanding   them. There are many other variables that would need to be taken into   account in order to measure this effect accurately... eg: line drag in   the water, lubrication of the reel, line diameter, heat buildup in the   Drag washers, air temperature, rod characteristics etc etc etc.

Simple   physics tells us, (all other factors being equal), that the Force   needed to rotate a spool (Moment inertia) is inversely proportional to   the amount of line left on the spool. Halving the line on the spool will double the Drag Force applied to it! Removing 2/3 of the line on a spool, will TRIPLE the Drag force applied to the spool. One   can now see, that tightening the Drag while playing a big fish is   courting disaster, and rather than burn-offs being the main reason for   lost fish, the increase of the Drag on the spool is the most likely   cause.

Anglers need to resist the temptation of tightening up   the Drag on a fish heading for the horizon - rather they need to hope   and trust that the drag of the line in the water and fatigue to the fish   on an already tightened drag, is enough to slow a fish and turn it.   Braid backing is usually between 4-600m in length, there is more than   enough line right there to slow down most fish without tightening the   drag further. If it's not enough, well then, you win some and lose some!   But tightening the drag at this point will almost certainly result in   the Drag force going beyond the breaking strain of line already being   stretched to the maximum.

This principle applies mainly to the   Rock and Surf angler that uses a Star Drag Multiplier reel. The Lever   Drag reels used in off-shore situations usually have their Drag settings   pre-set to 'Strike' settings, (normally25-30% of the breaking strain of   the line). Lever Drag reels are capable of precise drag settings and   this should never be a problem. However, the fact that Lever Drag reels   do not have a proper free spool (the Drag system is permanently attached   to the spool itself) makes them essentially unsuitable for casting.

With   Fixed spool spinning reels, the principle also applies, but there are   complicated angular moments of inertia that need to be taken into   account as well.

Next time you're on to a Big fish... don't tighten your Drag once it's passed half way!

Maybe this will help someone land the next big one!

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Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2013, 05:18:02 AM »
As always an Excellent tut Tony!!

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Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2013, 09:49:26 PM »
Very informative, Tony.


Where do you source your Carbontex?

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Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
« Reply #25 on: September 10, 2013, 06:29:11 AM »
Carbontex and Abec 5 Boca bearings from Jagged edge - georgedbn@gmail.com

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Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2013, 10:55:56 PM »
Awesome post! Thanks for the information.  :tkx:
 
 
 
 

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Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
« Reply #27 on: November 30, 2013, 08:13:46 AM »
Awesome post! Thanks for the information.  :tkx:

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Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2014, 08:48:18 PM »
Before I started fishing I thought 'drag' referred to when your mother in law accompanied you to the coast.
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Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2014, 01:02:50 PM »
excellent tut tony, but in saying that the more you post these the more i am convinced that i should never never ever attempt to do this myself i foresee many spare parts after reassembly
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Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
« Reply #30 on: May 01, 2014, 08:18:13 AM »
Gary, Multiplier reels are a cynch to service, truly! Maybe I need to open one up at a social to show you guys how relatively easy it really is!

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Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
« Reply #31 on: July 25, 2014, 09:53:16 AM »
Thanks for your trouble.This is an excellent post,just what i was after.
A question,the keyed penn carbontex HT100 system seems to work very well,would it be possible to bond the carbontex to the eared stainless steel washers? If this  could be done we could easily improve our drag rating without  the tricky engineering required to copy their system into our shimano and daiwa reels.
What thin glue/agent could provide the bond required to withstand the heat and associated expansion/contraction etc,would gasket seel be a candidate?I would like some advice before i try it.

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Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
« Reply #32 on: July 25, 2014, 10:07:38 AM »
Think you need to be careful of increasing a reel's drag beyond what the surrounding components were built to resist.
Eg. The Torium was designed for use with Dartanium washers. Then we pimped them with Carbontex. Now we want to make them "keyed" as well... just seems overkill to me, and unnecessary.  :dunno:  How much of a reel's drag do we actually use?

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Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
« Reply #33 on: May 18, 2015, 04:06:21 PM »
Bump
Worth reading again
thanks Tony

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Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2015, 07:55:22 AM »
Cool beans. Needed to read it again myself!

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Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
« Reply #35 on: May 19, 2015, 08:15:44 AM »
Excellent thread Tony, was very informative and I can honestly say I learned a lot from this, even feeling brave enough to dismantle a few of my reels for a DIY service.

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Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
« Reply #36 on: May 25, 2015, 08:41:20 AM »
Excellent thread Tony, was very informative and I can honestly say I learned a lot from this, even feeling brave enough to dismantle a few of my reels for a DIY service.

You can do it!!  :nobs:

 

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