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Project White Stella...
« on: June 15, 2013, 08:55:19 PM »
Pimp my Stradic! Pimp my Sustain!

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The Stradic FJ and Sustain FG reels are brilliant little items to start off with.

The equivalent size Stella has 14 + 1 bearings
The Sustain has 8 +1
The Stradic has 5 +1

With a bit of strategic pimping, we can turn these 2 cheaper reels into state of the art smoothness!

With the upgrades, we're going to end up with:
Sustain 10 +1 bearings
Stradic 9 +1!!!!!

The Sustain will get the Oscillating slider bushing replaced with a bearing and also the Worm Gear bushing.
The Stradic will get Oscillating slider bearing, Worm Gear bearing and 2 handle bearings!

Is it necessary?
No.

Why would we do it?
Because it's Winter and we can.  :rotfl

Does it improve the reel?
Most certainly does. Handle bearings, Wormgear bearings and Oscillating slider bearings are all standard in the Stella's, so if we can, why not? The reel will certainly have improved smoothness, strength and durability.

Obviously we don't want to start messing with the tolerances and load bearing areas of the reels, as this would alter the function by either rapid wear of gears, or by breaking.
For example, we don't want to pimp a Drag beyond what the reel was built to withstand, it's going to break somewhere. Instead, we're taking parts that were used primarily to keep the cost of the reel down, and upgrading those in a cost effective manner - turning the reel into a much better machine than before, at a fraction of the cost of buying an upgraded version...

Let's start with the:

THE OSCILLATING SLIDER MECHANISM


Open the reel up following the Service Manual here...

For the Sustain - http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=9968.0
For the Stradic - http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=9937.0

The Slider mechanism is connected to the Main Shaft.





Unscrew the Retainer Plate...







This is what the Pawl and bushing looks like in the Stradic/Sustain.







In the Stradic and Sustain, the Slider Pawl is supported by a large nylon bushing.

I   read on an overseas forum that the parts from a Stella 5000SW would be   interchangeable on the Sustain/Stradic 5000.  :corrct:
Cool! So after buying the parts, I found that this was not the case....  :cnfzd :unhap <:











Also found that the Stella bushing had a lip on it that prevented it seating properly on the Stradic Pawl...
So, a decision needed to be made, either cut the Nylon bushing of the Stradic down or cut the Stella bushing down. Basically, the Stella bush was useless to me with that lip, so we decided to keep the Stradic bushing as a spare....

This is the Stella Bushing - look at the lip!





Out with the trusty old Dremel tool...




The original Slide bushing was 4.5mm in length. The length of the   Stella bearing and bushing was 5.5mm. This wouldn't fit properly under the retainer plate. So we needed to make a plan. With the Dremel tool and a very fine polishing disc, gently, bit by bit, I sanded the bushing down from the lip side. Repeated measuring and sanding until I was happy with the fit. The new bushing needed to be 2mm long.







 Parts were then lubed and replaced...











First part done!

Handle bearings and Wormshaft bearings to come as soon as they arrive. Have ordered parts from Jagged Edge... Watch this space...

Project White and Black Stella's! To be continued....

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Re: Project White and Black Stella's... pimp my Stradic/Sustain!
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2013, 06:16:23 AM »
Reefz where do you find the time for all this???

Awesome post though :udman:

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Re: Project White and Black Stella's... pimp my Stradic/Sustain!
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2013, 06:47:54 AM »
Awesome post Reefz!!!  (clap) :+ cred:  Looking forward to the next segment...

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Re: Project White and Black Stella's... pimp my Stradic/Sustain!
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2013, 05:16:13 PM »
Very interesting , always room for slight modifications and improvement and if it all works those are going to be some really smooth and durable reels.. (clap)  great post Tony , worst case of cabin fever iv'e seen in years....  :hyst:   :hyst: 

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Re: Project White and Black Stella's... pimp my Stradic/Sustain!
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2013, 05:40:23 PM »
great post Tony , worst case of cabin fever iv'e seen in years....  :hyst:   :hyst:

 :shk ain't that the truth!! Well spotted. :hyst:

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Re: Project White and Black Stella's... pimp my Stradic/Sustain!
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2013, 10:02:27 PM »
Well done Reefman.

Excellent post. Wish I had the guts to do this conversion/upgrade. I think I'll start with the handle knob bearings :)

Will be looking out as soon as you get to the "easier" upgrades :)

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Re: Project White and Black Stella's... pimp my Stradic/Sustain!
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2013, 03:49:19 PM »
 :FST:  The  Reefman does it again" better than any leaflet you will find in the reel box :crzy :appr:
The more your line is in the water. The more fish you will catch.

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Re: Project White and Black Stella's... pimp my Stradic/Sustain!
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2013, 05:39:13 PM »
 :tkx: Great post  Soon the manufacturers will start paying you to keep quiet

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Re: Project White and Black Stella's... pimp my Stradic/Sustain!
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2013, 07:46:46 AM »
Cool post Tony it's an awesome little reel to start with juicing it up makes sense.

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Re: Project White and Black Stella's... pimp my Stradic/Sustain!
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2013, 11:32:02 AM »
Okidokes... next instalment.
Upgrading the Worm bushings of the Sustain and the Stradic.

Ordered Ceramic hybrid bearings from Boca bearings through Jagged Edge.











The bushing specs are: 3x6x3.3
Boca only supply bearings 3x6x2.5
The Spacer washer is 0.2mm, so we needed a bearing and washer measuring 3.5mm long.
So I needed to make a washer that was 1mm thick. Got some Aircraft Teflon from Mike Pike that was exactly 1mm thicK. Using a punch and a Dremel tool, managed to get a reasonable result.






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Re: Project White Stella...
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2013, 04:18:25 PM »
Another awesome tut Reefz :FST:

Just imagine sending one of these into a tackle shop for a service after all the upgrades :hyst: can you imagine the confusion :hehe:

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Re: Project White Stella...
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2013, 04:44:20 PM »
hauw,you cleva ne... :-) :win: :uarocks
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Re: Project White Stella...
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2013, 07:32:38 PM »
Very nice meneer !!!!!

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Re: Project White Stella...
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2013, 05:06:23 AM »
Wow....speechless!

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Re: Project White Stella...
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2013, 07:12:55 PM »
Right, last instalment...

STRADIC OSCILLATING SLIDER BUSHING UPGRADE.

On the Stradic, the Black bushing was 4.5mm high. The bearing I used was only 2,5mm high. So I cut the Bushing down to 2mm with a Dremel and it worked fine.




So the Slider pawl looks like this. Groovy.

Next up...

Upgrading the Handle bushings on the Stradic. A very simple task.

The handle dismantled.



The 2 different sized bushings were replaced by 2 Ceramic hybrids from Boca. Overkill? Definitely! But really cool! Ever seen a handle knob spin for longer than a Penn Torque? I had to chuckle! Cabin fever of note!



Hope you enjoyed my little project.

Made a Stradic into a 9 bearing monster and the Sustain into 10 bearings! Beautiful reels!

If someone wants the full list of Bearing sizes for the Sustain/Stradic, send me a PM. Not prepared to post these in public anymore... benefits of being an  :ult: member...  :hnthnt:

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Re: Project White Stella...
« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2013, 08:14:58 PM »
 (clap)   amazing !!!... :bow: .

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Re: Project White Stella...
« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2013, 10:46:36 PM »
Tony does it matter that the worm gear bushing that you replace with the bearing is keyed? or does the fact that its a bearing mean you don't have to worry about it staying in place?
Another thing when you replace the bush with the bearing does it leave a space for water to get in or is it still sealed up pretty well?

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Re: Project White Stella...
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2013, 07:44:24 AM »
Tony does it matter that the worm gear bushing that you replace with the bearing is keyed? or does the fact that its a bearing mean you don't have to worry about it staying in place?
Another thing when you replace the bush with the bearing does it leave a space for water to get in or is it still sealed up pretty well?

Nah don't think so at all. There is never a great revolution speed on this end of the reel. The bushing is keyed to prevent it turning and wearing on the outside against the reel body. The bearing being stronger than the plastic will mean that the Wormgear itself now has much better support. The forces placed on the Worm gear and that Oscillating Pawl slider are really hectic on a big fish. Imagine when the Rotor is bending sideways, so is the Drive shaft, which is attached on the end to the Worm gear by the Pawl! Huge torque forces! That's why a bearing in the Slider will strengthen the reel significantly too.

The Stradic was never a very waterproof reel - under the Rotor for instance, it has no sealing at all! That's why I grease my bearings full up.
But the back of the reel, where that keyed bushing fits, is covered by the retainer plate and the reel backing cover, so the chances of leakage there are minimal.

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Re: Project White Stella...
« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2013, 10:48:01 AM »
Reefer you are a machine  :rck" any idea if such upgrades are available for the Daiwa Seagate's/Saltist's?

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Re: Project White Stella...
« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2013, 11:35:20 AM »
Any chance you feel like upgrading the retrieve ration on a bullseye ?

 

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