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Title: World Records Distance Casting
Post by: fishatic on February 27, 2019, 07:26:27 PM
To Admin(s) please don't move this - no one will read it hidden in the casting section....

     SA hosted the recent Sport Fishing World Games (a FIPS sanctioned event) 
In terms of distance casting (I was an official for the 1 practice day and 4 days of competion)

     150g (5.25oz) record was broken twice on the 2nd day 
     1st time was by Rafael Sanzo from Uruguay with a cast of 280.65m 
     2nd time Filippo Montepagano from Italy achieved 281.19m 
     125g (4.4oz) 280.69m Filippo Montepagano (Italy) with Salvador Bustos in 2nd with a throw of 280.26m
100g  (3.5oz) record was also broken with a throw of 269.68m.
For those who think they can cast... 281m is FAR. Very, very far







Title: Re: World Records Distance Casting
Post by: fishatic on February 27, 2019, 07:28:25 PM
video of the new 150g world record cast:

 [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO_ktkHlUCc#]NEW 150g world record 281.19m- Filippo Montepagano (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO_ktkHlUCc)[/url]
Title: Re: World Records Distance Casting
Post by: fishatic on February 27, 2019, 07:36:07 PM
What a palava embedding a video....
Title: Re: World Records Distance Casting
Post by: MIKE PIKE on February 27, 2019, 09:20:42 PM
 :shk some impressive casting skills and distances . :Like:
Title: Re: World Records Distance Casting
Post by: REEFMAN on February 28, 2019, 07:22:40 AM
So, no Saffers in the top 10?? Why?
video of the new 150g world record cast:

 [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO_ktkHlUCc#]NEW 150g world record 281.19m- Filippo Montepagano ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO_ktkHlUCc[/url])[/url]


Quite important to sort the "wedgie" out first before you cast!  :rotfl
Title: Re: World Records Distance Casting
Post by: fishatic on February 28, 2019, 07:52:58 AM
Sorting out the wedgie is critical.
Re the SAFFERS - you need to cast 250m consistently across the weight range. Some of our guys managed 250m or close, but not consistently
Technique; practice, practice
Whilst our guys trained, the Italians, as an example train 3-4 days a week, compete weekly and it shows.
They also get full sponsorship for tackle and travel.
It all adds up.

Title: Re: World Records Distance Casting
Post by: Reebok02 on February 28, 2019, 10:38:23 AM
what are the rules for this kind of competition?what line thickness / rod length / reels apply?Not that I think I can get even close to those distances just like to know?
Are there separate competition and rules for using grinders and multiplier reels?
Title: Re: World Records Distance Casting
Post by: colin on February 28, 2019, 11:00:12 AM
[quote author=Reebok
what are the rules for this kind of competition?what line thickness / rod length / reels apply?Not that I think I can get even close to those distances just like to know?
Are there separate competition and rules for using grinders and multiplier reels?


 :corrct: good question Reebok .  also, wonder how Danny Moeskops would fare . 280 m is far very far  (clap) :toppie:
Title: Re: World Records Distance Casting
Post by: FishStyx on February 28, 2019, 01:44:20 PM
I often get that distance... Just not with line still attached  :vio
Title: Re: World Records Distance Casting
Post by: GUPPIGETTA on February 28, 2019, 03:20:01 PM
Hi Fishstyx, every ones best cast is always the one where the sinker is not attached to the line

Title: Re: World Records Distance Casting
Post by: fishatic on March 01, 2019, 06:21:18 AM
what are the rules for this kind of competition?what line thickness / rod length / reels apply?Not that I think I can get even close to those distances just like to know?
Are there separate competition and rules for using grinders and multiplier reels?
100g: 0.25mm main line; 0.65mm leader
125g: 0.28mm main line; 0.65mm leader
150g: 0.31mm main line; 0.75mm leader
175g: 0.35mm main line; 0.75mm leader

leaders must wrap around the spool minimum 8 times at the point of casting.
No rules regarding rod length; rod must be commercially available.
You can use fixed spool or multiplier reels, must be commercially available
Title: Re: World Records Distance Casting
Post by: Lenny on March 06, 2019, 12:03:59 PM
Yoh also saw some other clips over what’s app ... far indeed .
Title: Re: World Records Distance Casting
Post by: Wynand13 on March 15, 2019, 07:42:07 AM

     SA hosted the recent Sport Fishing World Games (a FIPS sanctioned event) 
In terms of distance casting (I was an official for the 1 practice day and 4 days of competion)

     150g (5.25oz) record was broken twice on the 2nd day 
     1st time was by Rafael Sanzo from Uruguay with a cast of 280.65m 
     2nd time Filippo Montepagano from Italy achieved 281.19m 
     125g (4.4oz) 280.69m Filippo Montepagano (Italy) with Salvador Bustos in 2nd with a throw of 280.26m
100g  (3.5oz) record was also broken with a throw of 269.68m.
For those who think they can cast... 281m is FAR. Very, very far




Thanks for sharing, it would be interesting to know of these events in advance to go and watch them in action. Just on a side note on the rules do the make provision for some sort of accuracy? I wish I could reach 250m I remember that sitting next to the Vaal we use to have one 16ft rod we casted the whole day with a Night Hawk and a line measurement tool thing and seldom got close to the 200m.. What rig did he use exactly?
Title: Re: World Records Distance Casting
Post by: fishatic on March 17, 2019, 06:48:16 AM
Its vergooi, not kolgooi, but there is a court; sinkers that land outside of the court are disqualified.

Rig? You mean what rod and reel?
Rods varied, but from memory:
Filippo Montepagano was using an Italcanna Vector A4 and a Zzeta reel. Rafael Sanzo a Century T1200 Eliminator with a Zzeta reel.
Salvador Bustos a Century T1200 Eliminator with a Zzeta reel
Title: Re: World Records Distance Casting
Post by: fishatic on March 17, 2019, 07:22:13 AM
Rafael Sanzo 2019 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sza2qzY0q98#)
Title: Re: World Records Distance Casting
Post by: fishatic on March 17, 2019, 07:25:26 AM
Salvador Bustos - Longcasting Zona Centro 2018 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOS4vrE_cdM#)
Title: Re: World Records Distance Casting
Post by: Visenvryheid on March 17, 2019, 01:06:39 PM
Out of interest, do you know what line they are using to achieve those distances with, and leader material? What knot do they use to attach and what guide setups are they using on those long butt multiplier rods?...  w;k :udman:
Interesting, that the top three aren't grinder fans, what about the rest of the top ten? Where was the first placing grinder caster? There is not much info on the event online that I can find..results and all.
Title: Re: World Records Distance Casting
Post by: fishatic on March 18, 2019, 07:12:49 PM
Out of interest, do you know what line they are using to achieve those distances with, and leader material? What knot do they use to attach and what guide setups are they using on those long butt multiplier rods?...  w;k :udman:
Interesting, that the top three aren't grinder fans, what about the rest of the top ten? Where was the first placing grinder caster? There is not much info on the event online that I can find..results and all.

Main line: mixed bag. My personal favourite is AWAS SMissile, but others are very good, possibly better; Sakuma and Ultima Distance are universal favourites.
Leader, who knows... I like as soft and stretch free as i can get, I am using AWAS Big Game until the 1000m spool is finished and then I will experiment.
Blob knot is used for field casting, akin to a FG braid to braid.

Top 30 aren't grinder fans, never mind top 3.
Remember this is about ultimate distance....
Grinder with braid is not allowed. Ever.
If it was, I think things might change a bit.
Guide set ups are about lightness, but my view is that they need to update a little... big guides are heavy, and in terms of the lines, knots and leaders, not required at all.
Since I took up field casting, all my distances went up, significantly, whether with bait or lures.
It just opens up more opportunities.
It's not just about brute strength, If I can cast as far as you, but with less effort, I can do it for longer. Or if you can fish comfortably to 100m and I can do it to 150m, I have about 50% greater area I can cover assuming a 50m wide piece of water in front of each of us... It will not always give me an advantage though....
Title: Re: World Records Distance Casting
Post by: Half-Pint on March 19, 2019, 08:36:53 AM
It's interesting to see how different the casting style is. One expects that the rod tip will dip and then come overhead as we do but it almost stays vertical. You also don't see a big bend in the rod.

It clearly works however!
Title: Re: World Records Distance Casting
Post by: fishatic on March 20, 2019, 10:35:28 AM
Overhead shortens the arc too much.
Wide and flat to generate sinker speed.
The rods bend, just very hard to capture in a photo or video as you need to be in just the right spot and that spot puts you in mortal danger should the caster break off....
Title: Re: World Records Distance Casting
Post by: Kent on March 20, 2019, 11:09:58 AM
 :crzy Jaaa...but do they catch fish??..and probably casting over the fish by a gazillion meters... w;k :hyst: :hyst:
Title: Re: World Records Distance Casting
Post by: MIKE PIKE on March 20, 2019, 01:12:13 PM
 :hyst: just looks cool when you throw further than the oke next to you on the beach , but then when he gets all the bites its not so funny ... :hyst:
Title: Re: World Records Distance Casting
Post by: Kent on March 20, 2019, 02:24:34 PM
:hyst: just looks cool when you throw further than the oke next to you on the beach , but then when he gets all the bites its not so funny ... :hyst:
:hyst: :hyst: :rotfl
Title: Re: World Records Distance Casting
Post by: Kes on March 20, 2019, 03:05:56 PM
:crzy Jaaa...but do they catch fish??..and probably casting over the fish by a gazillion meters... w;k :hyst: :hyst:


Previous record holder, Danny Moeskops proved that he can fish as well as he can cast.
Title: Re: World Records Distance Casting
Post by: Kes on March 20, 2019, 03:13:51 PM
:crzy Jaaa...but do they catch fish??..and probably casting over the fish by a gazillion meters... w;k :hyst: :hyst:


What must be remembered is that field casting and fishing are two different things. Some, like me, will take up field casting to learn how to improve my technique on the beach but then once you cross a certain threshold, the stuff you do on the field can't be done on the beach/rocks eg: there is no way you can do a conventional overhead or OTG cast when wading in hip deep or higher water so you have to learn a overhead cast on the in-swing in order to get your bait out a reasonable distance.


Being able to cast further is always good ammo to have in your arsenal. Like I always say, rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. I suppose that rule doesn't apply to fishing tackle though..
Title: Re: World Records Distance Casting
Post by: Kent on March 20, 2019, 05:01:36 PM
:crzy Jaaa...but do they catch fish??..and probably casting over the fish by a gazillion meters... w;k :hyst: :hyst:


What must be remembered is that field casting and fishing are two different things. Some, like me, will take up field casting to learn how to improve my technique on the beach but then once you cross a certain threshold, the stuff you do on the field can't be done on the beach/rocks eg: there is no way you can do a conventional overhead or OTG cast when wading in hip deep or higher water so you have to learn a overhead cast on the in-swing in order to get your bait out a reasonable distance.


Being able to cast further is always good ammo to have in your arsenal. Like I always say, rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. I suppose that rule doesn't apply to fishing tackle though..
:-) As they say in the classics...different strokes for different folks ...in my case I prefer practising in the sea...on the odd occasion I catch a fish ..BONUS...see things other people only watch on Discovery channel ...Ive never really understood casting distance competions...but thats me.. :fshn: :fshn:
Title: Re: World Records Distance Casting
Post by: Half-Pint on March 20, 2019, 08:09:36 PM
:crzy Jaaa...but do they catch fish??..and probably casting over the fish by a gazillion meters... w;k :hyst: :hyst:


What must be remembered is that field casting and fishing are two different things. Some, like me, will take up field casting to learn how to improve my technique on the beach but then once you cross a certain threshold, the stuff you do on the field can't be done on the beach/rocks eg: there is no way you can do a conventional overhead or OTG cast when wading in hip deep or higher water so you have to learn a overhead cast on the in-swing in order to get your bait out a reasonable distance.


Being able to cast further is always good ammo to have in your arsenal. Like I always say, rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. I suppose that rule doesn't apply to fishing tackle though..
:-) As they say in the classics...different strokes for different folks ...in my case I prefer practising in the sea...on the odd occasion I catch a fish ..BONUS...see things other people only watch on Discovery channel ...Ive never really understood casting distance competions...but thats me.. :fshn: :fshn:

Heck of a drive for a practice seasion for those who don't live at the sea
Title: Re: World Records Distance Casting
Post by: Kent on March 22, 2019, 09:16:30 AM
:crzy Jaaa...but do they catch fish??..and probably casting over the fish by a gazillion meters... w;k :hyst: :hyst:


What must be remembered is that field casting and fishing are two different things. Some, like me, will take up field casting to learn how to improve my technique on the beach but then once you cross a certain threshold, the stuff you do on the field can't be done on the beach/rocks eg: there is no way you can do a conventional overhead or OTG cast when wading in hip deep or higher water so you have to learn a overhead cast on the in-swing in order to get your bait out a reasonable distance.


Being able to cast further is always good ammo to have in your arsenal. Like I always say, rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. I suppose that rule doesn't apply to fishing tackle though..
:-) As they say in the classics...different strokes for different folks ...in my case I prefer practising in the sea...on the odd occasion I catch a fish ..BONUS...see things other people only watch on Discovery channel ...Ive never really understood casting distance competions...but thats me.. :fshn: :fshn:

Heck of a drive for a practice seasion for those who don't live at the sea
:shk :shk WHAT??...you mean there are people that DONT live by the sea??..Haai shem... :hehe:
Title: Re: World Records Distance Casting
Post by: MIKE PIKE on March 22, 2019, 09:30:33 AM
 :rotfl :rotfl the sea .. !! whats that ...?? :hyst: :hyst:
Title: Re: World Records Distance Casting
Post by: fishatic on March 29, 2019, 05:43:32 PM
Going for grass carp, sand sharks and veld fish tomorrow in Potch.
I don't expect too much as I am WAY out of form, maybe I'll get a bite at 200m with a grass seed imitation
Title: Re: World Records Distance Casting
Post by: Socrates on June 13, 2019, 02:20:37 PM
Hello. Thank you for sharing. I confess that although I am not great at it, I do enjoy casting more than fishing. This has helped me become a better fisherman than many of my comrades; to their envy.

I noticed that the combos used must be commercially available, does this mean that they are standard or can they be customized and modified?

What limitations are there for the upgrades, if any?

Are there any clinics or clubs in SA for long distance casting or does one have to follow the provincial league pathway?
Title: Re: World Records Distance Casting
Post by: fishatic on June 13, 2019, 07:45:35 PM

Send me an email (click on my profile, should show details)
We can talk.

I will have a chat to the chairman of the long distance crowd and see if he knows of anyone in the EC you could approach for help/coaching. Its a small band of lunatics you see...
Rods and reels are commercially available yes.


Rods can vary from insane costs, say R12k for a blank only (really) down to rods most can afford and cast really well. 

What 13' - 14'6" rods have you got NOW, chances are you don't need to buy anything?

Reels, most being based on or are variations of the venerable ABU Ambassadeur design.

ABU: Ambassadeur 5500/6500 C3 stripped of level wind, cleaned and lightly lubed standard spool bearings and a well set up mono mag will cast VERY far, or (and they are available here, I have seen them at Pure Fishing) the Blue Yonder or if you can find one a Rocket.

Akios: Shuttle or Tourno, superb with amazing out of the box performance. 

Omoto: Chief or Chief Extreme. Identical to Akios and cheaper, same amazing out of the box performance. 

Daiwa: Millionaire M7HTMAG / expensive and a little twitchy regarding mag control.

Zzeta - awesome, but very costly and the spool is the really important bit and the spools fit Ambassadeurs/Omoto/Akios anyway. 


Reel size used is dependent on sinker weight, typically 5000 size for 100g and 125g with 6000 size being used for 150g and 175g (I use the 5000 size for 100g, 125g and 150g)
Title: Re: World Records Distance Casting
Post by: Socrates on June 14, 2019, 08:43:05 AM
Good day Fishatic

Thank you for the detailed response. I have emailed you.

 :tkx: