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Title: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on January 06, 2015, 11:38:04 PM
I had an interesting learning experience today with needlescale queenfish (salad fish). Yes I know, it is not a "wow" species - but it illustrates my experience nicely. I went for a morning spinning session and threw my arms off for about 2 hours with spoons without a touch. So I decided to do something really different. Instead of the normal variation in retrieve speed I casted a chase no.5 bullet spoon out far and before it hit the water I flipped the bail arm over and started retrieving at maximum speed. So when the spoon landed on the water it fell with a splash and then skidded on the surface without sinking. The result? Boom, boom, boom, three of these feisty fish took the spoon in short succession within a couple of casts.  Clearly they were there the whole time. It was me that had to do something different with the spoon to entice a bite! So it is critical to remain creative and not to fall into a rut of what the "text book" says!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: ahmed on January 07, 2015, 12:00:03 AM
 :+ cred:   
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: shaunyboy on January 07, 2015, 07:26:04 AM
 :+ cred: shot steenie
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Gerhard on January 07, 2015, 07:50:09 AM
Nicely done...


Yea sometimes the fish want a lure like a spoon retrieved at top speed just below the surface.


Other times you need to let the spoon sink to the bottom and move it slowly...


Or you need to wind it it at super speed once it hits the bottom.


The secret is to always keep thinking on what kind of retrieve can I use next if the current one is not working.


Then what lure can I use next if the current one is not working...


Keep experimenting until you found what the fish wants to eat.


All part of the fun of spinning and hunting for fish with a lure...
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on January 07, 2015, 08:25:50 AM
Nicely done...


Yea sometimes the fish want a lure like a spoon retrieved at top speed just below the surface.


Other times you need to let the spoon sink to the bottom and move it slowly...


Or you need to wind it it at super speed once it hits the bottom.


The secret is to always keep thinking on what kind of retrieve can I use next if the current one is not working.


Then what lure can I use next if the current one is not working...


Keep experimenting until you found what the fish wants to eat.


All part of the fun of spinning and hunting for fish with a lure...

Thank you - what you are saying is absolutely correct.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Moolla on January 07, 2015, 11:25:12 AM
Well done Steenie!  :corrct:

Your dedication to spinning is inspirational.  Keep up the good work. A PB is round the corner.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: SAfish on January 07, 2015, 12:06:00 PM
Good one, Steenie. I also try new things and will sometimes lift my rod tip high on a fast retrieve to make the spoon break the surface and then lower my rod tip to make it run just below the surface. I would repeat this a couple of times and hope the splashing spoon will attract the fish. 
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on January 07, 2015, 12:12:12 PM
Good one, Steenie. I also try new things and will sometimes lift my rod tip high on a fast retrieve to make the spoon break the surface and then lower my rod tip to make it run just below the surface. I would repeat this a couple of times and hope the splashing spoon will attract the fish.
You are absolutely correct. Rod tip position is absolutely critical, and the matching of a certain retrieve speed with certain rod tip position. One can easily see what difference this makes when retrieving plugs. I like your idea on the alternating rod tip and retrieve speed with spoons and will certainly experiment more with this after yesterday's event.
 
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: BAUMANNATOR on January 07, 2015, 07:29:23 PM
I had success with garrick by using the Hopkins (or known here as the sea iron), which is flat, skipping along the surface. It slaps the surface, dives a bit and then comes up to slap again. It cast further than a plug and is extremely versatile. Retrieved slowly it is deadly on kob and shad. It is very popular in America as a striper lure.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Lofty on January 07, 2015, 11:56:33 PM
I had success with garrick by using the Hopkins (or known here as the sea iron), which is flat, skipping along the surface. It slaps the surface, dives a bit and then comes up to slap again. It cast further than a plug and is extremely versatile. Retrieved slowly it is deadly on kob and shad. It is very popular in America as a striper lure.
So where can we(I)source this.... :hnthnt: :hehe: some T.A talking... :blush:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Gerhard on January 08, 2015, 03:36:19 AM
I had success with garrick by using the Hopkins (or known here as the sea iron), which is flat, skipping along the surface. It slaps the surface, dives a bit and then comes up to slap again. It cast further than a plug and is extremely versatile. Retrieved slowly it is deadly on kob and shad. It is very popular in America as a striper lure.
So where can we(I)source this.... :hnthnt: :hehe: some T.A talking... :blush:



http://www.jigstarafrica.com/index.php/en/component/virtuemart/lures/castinglures (http://www.jigstarafrica.com/index.php/en/component/virtuemart/lures/castinglures)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: BAUMANNATOR on January 08, 2015, 08:42:06 AM
I got them from Target Line and Billimoria in the Easter Cape a while back. They are locally called the Sea Iron Casting Spoon.Otherwise known as the Hopkins Shorty.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on January 08, 2015, 07:50:49 PM
I got them from Target Line and Billimoria in the Easter Cape a while back. They are locally called the Sea Iron Casting Spoon.Otherwise known as the Hopkins Shorty.

Looking good! Can imagine that it "slaps" the water surface nicely! But do you change that horrible treble to a single hook?
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: BAUMANNATOR on January 08, 2015, 09:01:51 PM
To be honest I got the blanks for a song and made them up with singles. Then they caught on and the price went up and were sold like in the picture. When going for kob down there I rigged with weedless hooks,cause they don' have a bias (belly), so u don't have a specific side that rides up. When targeting garrick I prefer the stinger hook on the front ,as the garrick imhales its prey and  the assist gave better hooksets.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: jball7204 on January 09, 2015, 07:25:46 PM
As a fellow shore spin fisherman I believe there is some cred due all round here:

1. Steenie for sharing the experience and discovering a trick. Also for picking up a few Queenies off the beach in a spinning session which is a bit rare here as far as I'm aware, and more importantly, picking the right spot where the fish are moving. That's 70% of the job done right away and the other 30% is to find what entices them, which he did.  :+ cred:

2. Gerhard for his info  :+ cred:

3. SAFish for another great tip (I normally pump that spoon far out for kingies/snoek etc. and as it gets closer to the midbreak slow down and move it around a little more to try pick up a shad on seaside or shoreside of the midbreak gully).  :+ cred:

4. Baumannator for the tips on a good spoon (and especially the stinger for Garrick - never tried that).  :+ cred:


Good thread started, thanks Steenie. Fishing tomorrow morning?
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on January 11, 2015, 10:33:12 AM
As a fellow shore spin fisherman I believe there is some cred due all round here:

1. Steenie for sharing the experience and discovering a trick. Also for picking up a few Queenies off the beach in a spinning session which is a bit rare here as far as I'm aware, and more importantly, picking the right spot where the fish are moving. That's 70% of the job done right away and the other 30% is to find what entices them, which he did.  :+ cred:

2. Gerhard for his info  :+ cred:

3. SAFish for another great tip (I normally pump that spoon far out for kingies/snoek etc. and as it gets closer to the midbreak slow down and move it around a little more to try pick up a shad on seaside or shoreside of the midbreak gully).  :+ cred:

4. Baumannator for the tips on a good spoon (and especially the stinger for Garrick - never tried that).  :+ cred:


Good thread started, thanks Steenie. Fishing tomorrow morning?

Thank you very much - and I agree some really good tips dished out by a number of members. My last spinning session was Tuesday. Fully tied down by work until now. Will definitely go spinning tomorrow morning early!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on January 15, 2015, 07:44:44 AM
Experimented some more this morning with some of these techniques in really nasty swell conditions. I got soaked a good couple of times. Threw a pink glow couta casting spoon far out and started the retrieve early so that spoon slaps the surface, slow down to let it go subsurface slightly, speed up again etc. etc. Nice to suddenly see fins zooming in on the spoon and then boom - on! Got two needle fish (wrongly called gar fish) just after sunrise. Again not a "wow" species - but my gut feeling tells me that my first queen mackerel is coming!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on January 15, 2015, 07:45:40 AM
Another view
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: colin on January 15, 2015, 08:16:41 AM
 :cgrts:  . Hi Steenie do you think the colour was significant in these catches ?? Am going down and wondering if I should succumb to T,A. :toppie:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: SAfish on January 15, 2015, 08:23:50 AM
 (clap) It just shows you that you have to try and find what will get the fish to strike. Well done, mate.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on January 15, 2015, 08:24:30 AM
:cgrts:  . Hi Steenie do you think the colour was significant in these catches ?? Am going down and wondering if I should succumb to T,A. :toppie:

The glow colours are really effective in low light conditions before or just after sunrise. Some prefer the green glow, others the pink glow. Rob Kyle has caught some really good fish on north coast with pink glow, whilst others like Barry Wareham had good success on green glow. So.....I have both and alternate between them. I started this morning with green glow and did not get any chases. Switched to pink glow and got picked up after a few casts.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: SAfish on January 15, 2015, 08:26:36 AM
Steenie, can you please post a close-up photo of the lure, I want to see if I can find any at my local tackle shop.  :hnthnt:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on January 15, 2015, 08:41:02 AM
Steenie, can you please post a close-up photo of the lure, I want to see if I can find any at my local tackle shop.  :hnthnt:

Here is the blue glow. Pink and greem glow is exactly the same with the white underside.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: SAfish on January 15, 2015, 08:53:09 AM
Cool, thanks. I feel a bout of TA coming up!  :hehe:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: colin on January 15, 2015, 03:58:43 PM

:cgrts:  . Hi Steenie do you think the colour was significant in these catches ?? Am going down and wondering if I should succumb to T,A.
The glow colours are really effective in low light conditions before or just after sunrise. Some prefer the green glow, others the pink glow. Rob Kyle has caught some really good fish on north coast with pink glow, whilst others like Barry Wareham had good success on green glow. So.....I have both and alternate between them. I started this morning with green glow and did not get any chases. Switched to pink glow and got picked up after a few casts.

 
Thanks  :appr: . Colin. :toppie:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: jball7204 on January 16, 2015, 05:53:40 PM
:cgrts:  . Hi Steenie do you think the colour was significant in these catches ?? Am going down and wondering if I should succumb to T,A. :toppie:

The glow colours are really effective in low light conditions before or just after sunrise. Some prefer the green glow, others the pink glow. Rob Kyle has caught some really good fish on north coast with pink glow, whilst others like Barry Wareham had good success on green glow. So.....I have both and alternate between them. I started this morning with green glow and did not get any chases. Switched to pink glow and got picked up after a few casts.

Pink seems to work very well. I was throwing a green glow bullet one day without success and borrowed a pink and BANG!! Only Shad, but makes me think. I dont have enough pink in the metal lure boxes....need to make a plan....
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on January 16, 2015, 09:40:47 PM
:cgrts:  . Hi Steenie do you think the colour was significant in these catches ?? Am going down and wondering if I should succumb to T,A. :toppie:

The glow colours are really effective in low light conditions before or just after sunrise. Some prefer the green glow, others the pink glow. Rob Kyle has caught some really good fish on north coast with pink glow, whilst others like Barry Wareham had good success on green glow. So.....I have both and alternate between them. I started this morning with green glow and did not get any chases. Switched to pink glow and got picked up after a few casts.

Pink seems to work very well. I was throwing a green glow bullet one day without success and borrowed a pink and BANG!! Only Shad, but makes me think. I dont have enough pink in the metal lure boxes....need to make a plan....

I must say whenever I use the pink one I am just waiting for a strike. The green one glows stronger than the pink though, and I think it will comes to its own in less clear water or really low light conditions.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on February 04, 2015, 09:43:35 PM
    I had an awesome session at Cape Vidal this morning. I arrived there at  06h30. At 07h00 I went tight with a really good fish on a pink glow couta casting  spoon on the sandy beach just south of where the boats launch. This fish took  some good line, but unfortunately I lost it due to the hook  dislodging from the fish (very frustrating!). I tried for quite a while  further without any bites. I then moved the couple of km's south to right  in front of the lighthouse and started casting a couta casting  spoon.
From cast number one I could feel bumps on the spoon and saw some chases  from big garfish but could simply not connect. I changed to a Chase no 5 bullet  spoon (that I shined nicely up last night with Mothers white metal polish) and  the shoal of large garfish just went crazy! Cast after cast from between 09h00  - 10h30 they smashed into the spoon. Not an easy species to hook, with  their needle-shaped beaks. In that time I hooked into 4 really big ones,  landing 2 of them. They gave me all the hell with them jumping clean out of the  water in front of those foul deep water ledges with the big swell.
 
Cast after cast they were attacking the spoon, but now and again they  gave some other fish a change as well. I lost an absolute bus of a largespot  pompano (Wave Garrick) right at my feet after an awesome fight to get it  out of the deep over the ledges (very frustrating!). I finally managed to also  land a green spot kingfish on the chase no 5 that really gave a great account for  its size in the deep water in front of the ledges.
 
Of the 7 hook-ups I only landed 3 fish, so my inexperience with fighting  fish on braid is still showing, but I got some good practice today! Braid is so  direct and the margin for error very slim. And any slack in the braid in the  big shore break – fish gone!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on February 04, 2015, 09:55:27 PM
I got up at 02h30 this morning and departed from Durban for Vidal. I wish I was there before sunrise already, because that water was cooking with some good fish. After my spinning session I did some productive afternoon work with the sugarcane farmers on the Umfolozi flats. Was great to mix work and pleasure all in one day!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: GT on February 04, 2015, 10:47:52 PM
Congrats on a great outing there and thanks for sharing once again.I'm absolutely   :envy . (Work and play on the same day)  Hope you get that big one soon. You really deserve it  with all the work you putting into it.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on February 04, 2015, 11:01:12 PM
Congrats on a great outing there and thanks for sharing once again.I'm absolutely   :envy . (Work and play on the same day)  Hope you get that big one soon. You really deserve it  with all the work you putting into it.

Thank you - the pleasure the spoons are starting to give me is seriously addictive. I am really starting to get a handle on how to work with these fast swimming spoons. One and a half hour of smashes on the spoon flies past (sadly to quickly) when you are fully focused on you, the lure and the fish!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: jball7204 on February 05, 2015, 06:43:34 AM
That is a good session. Nicely done!!!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Half-Pint on February 05, 2015, 07:33:38 AM
Well done Steenie!

Always enjoy reading your posts :+ cred:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Zak-e-Boy on February 05, 2015, 07:57:26 AM
Steenie, Firstly well done with your catches. If i may make a suggestion, if you are using the hooks that those c/casters come with they are extremely sharp, very strong and very thin and light, great hook but with a tiny barb. When fishing off the beach and you have a fish coming through the white water,
side wash, back wash, running towards you and sometimes a shore dump, unless the fish is hooked solidly around some bone or hooked "deep" the hook is going to start tearing the mouth of the fish, especially the ones with soft mouths. I have found, and there may be some giggles now....the hooks that work best for me for spinning off the beach is, number 1, the cheap 4/0,5/0 H/D Bandit short shanks. For two reasons, they have "extra" large barbs and the thickness of the hook tears less easily through the soft parts of the mouth and you can throw them away when they loose their point because they soo cheap. The second hook which I use on my spoons is VMC Short Shank it's a good strong hook however the barbs are not as big as on the Bandit. I used to hide my spoons with Bandit hooks in my hand when talking to the spinners on the beach.... not to be secretive, but just in case they laughed. But naturally each to his own ideas ! :toppie: [size=78%]        [/size]
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: L Hooker on February 05, 2015, 07:59:36 AM
Well done, and thanks for the report (clap)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: carll on February 05, 2015, 11:27:16 AM
Steenie, Firstly well done with your catches. If i may make a suggestion, if you are using the hooks that those c/casters come with they are extremely sharp, very strong and very thin and light, great hook but with a tiny barb. When fishing off the beach and you have a fish coming through the white water,
side wash, back wash, running towards you and sometimes a shore dump, unless the fish is hooked solidly around some bone or hooked "deep" the hook is going to start tearing the mouth of the fish, especially the ones with soft mouths. I have found, and there may be some giggles now....the hooks that work best for me for spinning off the beach is, number 1, the cheap 4/0,5/0 H/D Bandit short shanks. For two reasons, they have "extra" large barbs and the thickness of the hook tears less easily through the soft parts of the mouth and you can throw them away when they loose their point because they soo cheap. The second hook which I use on my spoons is VMC Short Shank it's a good strong hook however the barbs are not as big as on the Bandit. I used to hide my Bandit hooks in my hand when talking to the spinners on the beach.... not to be secretive, but just in case they laughed. But naturally each to his own ideas ! :toppie: [size=78%]        [/size]


Great tip Zak, thanks for sharing. I dont really mind people laughing at me, its the numbers that count in the end. I like to fish with soft plastics-jerkshads and bucktails. I had now mastered the angling method with bucktails and I love it....
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Poenskop on February 05, 2015, 12:22:40 PM
Once you have mastered the bucktail there is not much beating it. :grk: :gt:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Zak-e-Boy on February 05, 2015, 12:39:47 PM
Anyone interested to know which hooks I am talking about, see the attached pic. There are two lots of Bandit Hooks out there, the ones in the light blue packaging with what appears to be Jap/Chinese writing on are the ones I prefer to use on some of my spoons.
Maybe it's just the packaging ? 
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on February 05, 2015, 01:03:28 PM
Anyone interested to know which hooks I am talking about, see the attached pic. There are two lots of Bandit Hooks out there, the ones in the light blue packaging with what appears to be Jap/Chinese writing on are the ones I prefer to use on some of my spoons.

Great - awesome advice! On the chase no 5 bullet I had the Daiichi DH55 size #14 on yesterday. Its a damn good hook, but you are right, its barb is tiny compared to the hook in your picture. I will certainly rig one of my spoons with your suggested hook and start to experiment. I think especially with fish that jump and shake their heads during the fight this could very well be a factor.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on February 05, 2015, 01:07:07 PM
The small barb on the Daiichi.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: smiley6996 on February 05, 2015, 01:24:30 PM
Anyone interested to know which hooks I am talking about, see the attached pic. There are two lots of Bandit Hooks out there, the ones in the light blue packaging with what appears to be Jap/Chinese writing on are the ones I prefer to use on some of my spoons.
Maybe it's just the packaging ?

I also use the same hooks on some of my lures they also have a nice big eye on them
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Zak-e-Boy on February 05, 2015, 01:45:44 PM
If the bigger barb just gets 1 or 2 more fish to stick you're winning.  In 1947 a Mr Charles Mathieson of Jhb designed a spoon that slid away from the hook after a hookup which meant the weight of the spoon was shifted away from the hook resulting in less tearing being caused by the head shakes. The heavier the spoon the more likely tearing will take place during head shakes. In the Eastern Cape there is a plug manufacturer who designs his plugs to slide up the leader after a hookup thereby removing the weight of the plug from the hook which in turn results in less tearing taking place during the early part of the fight when the fish is jumping and shaking it's head and therefore fewer fish are lost. Hope all that makes some sense, but again each anglers has his own ideas and knows what works for him. :-)   
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on February 05, 2015, 02:01:51 PM
If the bigger barb just gets 1 or 2 more fish to stick you're winning.  In 1947 a Mr Charles Mathieson of Jhb designed a spoon that slid away from the hook after a hookup which meant the weight of the spoon was shifted away from the hook resulting in less tearing being caused by the head shakes. The heavier the spoon the more likely tearing will take place during head shakes. In the Eastern Cape there is a plug manufacturer who designs his plugs to slide up the leader after a hookup thereby removing the weight of the plug from the hook which in turn results in less tearing taking place during the early part of the fight when the fish is jumping and shaking it's head and therefore fewer fish are lost. Hope all that makes some sense, but again each anglers has his own ideas and knows what works for him. :-)   

Very interesting info! You are absolutely right. On those Vidal ledges you need to force the fish really hard to keep it clear from the rocks, so if the hook is not perfectly set, or busy tearing, you will loose the fish!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: BAUMANNATOR on February 05, 2015, 03:44:39 PM
The use of slideing plugs is also very common on the lower south coast for exactly that reason...weighted plug moves away from the mouth resulting in less leverage for hook to come free. The gent whose product you are referring too is a legend and one of the most well known figures at Mazeppa with regards garrick. He too is one of the legends of catching cob on artificials.
On the note of hooks, I have successfully experimented with an idea brought forward by a well known 'rooster' fisherman in the states, by cutting one of the hooks of a treble and flattening the other two. This results in more effective hooksets and as it is flat turns more often than not into the corner of the mouth. Still not the equal of a single as far as holding, but more hook-ups and is easier to remove than a treble.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Zak-e-Boy on February 05, 2015, 04:35:51 PM
Bau, Malcolm's nephew is married to my daughter.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on February 05, 2015, 05:56:56 PM
I just shined up the chase no 5 spoon after its heavy work load of yesterday. Smoothed the surface with steelwool and then polished it with Mothers white metal polish. Shiny as a mirror again! And it gives a polished coating that lasts for a few outings. As long as I can see my face reflection in the spoon I am happy. I have tried the back of a knife, nail varnish bottle etc. but this Mothers polish is the best in my book.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on February 05, 2015, 08:36:36 PM
The use of slideing plugs is also very common on the lower south coast for exactly that reason...weighted plug moves away from the mouth resulting in less leverage for hook to come free. The gent whose product you are referring too is a legend and one of the most well known figures at Mazeppa with regards garrick. He too is one of the legends of catching cob on artificials.
On the note of hooks, I have successfully experimented with an idea brought forward by a well known 'rooster' fisherman in the states, by cutting one of the hooks of a treble and flattening the other two. This results in more effective hooksets and as it is flat turns more often than not into the corner of the mouth. Still not the equal of a single as far as holding, but more hook-ups and is easier to remove than a treble.

Hi, can you please post a pic of this?
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Zak-e-Boy on February 05, 2015, 09:05:44 PM
Herewith a 1.75 oz sliding plug.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on February 13, 2015, 07:54:05 AM
On Wednesday I went to Basil Manning to take the 25 lbs Gosen PE2.0 braid off that I have been spinning with for the last 8 months on my Stradic 5000.  It gave me really good service over many many spinning sessions, both of the bricks and beaches.  They re-filled the reel with Gosen Jigging braid, the PE1.5 25 lbs one. I bought a spool last year in Cape Town for a huge special. I used it for the last two mornings and must say that its castability is simply phenomenal. I also love the way it knots when tying on the fluorocarbon leader. Drag in the water is less and I can feel the action of the spoons better. I was quite nervous about the switch, due to the thinner diameter that I am not used to. But I think I am really going to enjoy spinning with this braid.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: BAUMANNATOR on February 13, 2015, 10:16:11 AM
How much did you get on, if I may ask?
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on February 13, 2015, 11:33:38 AM
How much did you get on, if I may ask?

300 m with some braid backing underneath so that spool is filled to its maximum.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on February 15, 2015, 05:02:31 PM
Spinning Cape Vidal tomorrow morning early. Eish, its going to be a tough session.  Big swell and SW wind, but I only get the pleasure to go there once, or if really luckly, twice a month. Even a wave garrick will make it worthwhile. So we shall see.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on February 16, 2015, 10:30:31 AM
Yebo yes! Got this 54 cm fork length Geet at Vidal this morning on a chase no. 5 spoon in near unfishable swell and SW wind. It revved me properly on the ledges in the strong sea, but the Assassin Sierra and my new PE1.5 Gosen jigging braid on Stradic 5000 reel were up for the challenge! The backbone of this rod to keep you out of trouble in strong shorebreaks is just phenomenal. Safely tagged and released this beautiful fish.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: BAUMANNATOR on February 16, 2015, 03:59:23 PM
Well done  (clap) the sea is really angry today with quite a rip. I see Carll posted that the sierra dead lifts 5 kg's....quite a feat for a rod with that casting rateing. Wouldn't dare do that with my Amia (kob special). Man I'm jealous.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on February 16, 2015, 04:11:09 PM
Well done  (clap) the sea is really angry today with quite a rip. I see Carll posted that the sierra dead lifts 5 kg's....quite a feat for a rod with that casting rateing. Wouldn't dare do that with my Amia (kob special). Man I'm jealous.

Thank you. The Sierra is a beast of a rod, in theory and in practice! This rod, and the PE1.5 braid allowed me to get long enough casts in this morning to still get the spoon into the strike zone, despite the very strong cross wind and big swell. And once the fish is on, the Sierra's pulling power comes to the fore in difficult to fish situations where there is big waves, strong side currents and nasty rock ledges!  I just fished the chase spoon a bit slower than usual so that it runs ever so slightly deeper below the surface in the very windy conditions.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: BAUMANNATOR on February 16, 2015, 04:21:42 PM
Steenie, does that chase spoon wobble at low speed retrieve?.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on February 16, 2015, 04:49:53 PM
Steenie, does that chase spoon wobble at low speed retrieve?.

Very much so!! Its got a deadly wobbling action at slower speed, and it holds good action up to fast retrieve speeds. The last three outings to Vidal so far this year I have retrieved it really quickly and it has not disappointed yet. Three needle-scale queenfish, two bus garfish, a greenspot kingie, bus wave Garrick and this morning's Geet. I will never go to Vidal again without it, the fish there seems to love it!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on February 16, 2015, 04:52:07 PM
Now that I learned how to fish this spoon I cannot wait for some Natal Snoek to appear, or this coming winter's Garrick. Garrick will simply love this spoon.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on February 18, 2015, 04:08:24 PM
Got this Eastern Little Tuna (Bonito) early this morning. Tried various spoons, and got some bumps without connecting.  I then switched to the chase no. 2 spoon, which got a longer profile than the chase no. 5 bullet, and connected on the first cast. Fast retrieve with spoon skidding on the surface.  Damn strong fish in deep water from the shore!
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Post by: Steenie on February 18, 2015, 04:10:11 PM
Sorry for the upside down photo! No clue why it did that!
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Post by: Nepptune on February 18, 2015, 06:51:26 PM
Superb fish from the stones Steenie!! Few things in the ocean that pull like these little members of the Tuna family... from the shore, even more so! Nicely done! Bet your Stradics drag is getting a lekker workout!
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Post by: Steenie on February 18, 2015, 07:11:33 PM
Superb fish from the stones Steenie!! Few things in the ocean that pull like these little members of the Tuna family... from the shore, even more so! Nicely done! Bet your Stradics drag is getting a lekker workout!

I was amazed by the way it peeled braid of the reel. Though I had a decent Natal Snoek on instead!
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Post by: Half-Pint on February 18, 2015, 08:19:14 PM
Keep these reports coming! Great to see the learning curve and results!
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Post by: smiley6996 on February 18, 2015, 08:40:37 PM
Wow a boni from the side that's a kewl catch could you post some pix of these chase spoons you talk of plz mate
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Post by: BAUMANNATOR on February 18, 2015, 08:58:40 PM
Lovely man....well done.
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Post by: Steenie on February 18, 2015, 09:04:25 PM
Wow a boni from the side that's a kewl catch could you post some pix of these chase spoons you talk of plz mate

Thank you. Will post some pics  tomorrow.
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Post by: Steenie on February 18, 2015, 09:16:53 PM
Wow a boni from the side that's a kewl catch could you post some pix of these chase spoons you talk of plz mate

Chase no 2  - glow in the dark side up (various colours available). Spoon weight is 45 g.
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Post by: Steenie on February 18, 2015, 09:24:03 PM
White metal side. The no 5 is shorter and thicker spoon, otherwise very similar.
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Post by: Steenie on February 18, 2015, 09:28:29 PM
Eish - dont know why white metal side looks bronze in the photo I took! Believe me its shiny white.
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Post by: MIKE PIKE on February 18, 2015, 09:36:23 PM
 (clap) great catches Steenie, seems like you've hit the sweet spot with spinning , perfect tackle match up and right conditions at the right time , great thread to follow , keep the reports coming ... :Like:
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Post by: smiley6996 on February 19, 2015, 05:25:31 AM
Eish - dont know why white metal side looks bronze in the photo I took! Believe me its shiny white.

Shot mate must see if I can find some here in the ec
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Post by: Torpedo Jack on February 19, 2015, 11:23:43 AM
Lovely fish! Thanks for allowing us to learn along with you!


The laaitie and I are going down to the South Coast in March/April, and can't wait to try out our Sierras! They have yet to draw blood. Good to hear that they can take a beating - I was afraid they might be a bit fragile. I read somewhere that these ultra high modulus graphite rods don't like being "bent back on themselves" (they can shatter), a situation which often occurs when landing fish on the rocks alone.


Your thoughts, maybe?



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Post by: Aqua_man on February 19, 2015, 11:55:10 AM
Great catch Steenie!

How far can you cast with that outfit ?
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Post by: Steenie on February 19, 2015, 12:09:34 PM
Great catch Steenie!

How far can you cast with that outfit ?

Generally 100 - 140 m depending on atmospheric and wind direction with 1.5 oz spoons.
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Post by: Torpedo Jack on February 19, 2015, 12:31:30 PM
Steenie!

Have you been around the Pumula/Sheppie area with your rod yet?


Mike
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Post by: Steenie on February 19, 2015, 12:36:00 PM
Steenie!

Have you been around the Pumula/Sheppie area with your rod yet?


Mike

Yes indeed, did some spinning on Stiebel early morning on the 28th of Jan. Blanked spectacularly without a single bite.
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Post by: Torpedo Jack on February 19, 2015, 12:54:46 PM
Ai,


That's bad news! Can we hook up at Stebel towards the end of March? It would be great to meet you, and throw a couple of lures at those fooshes!
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Post by: Steenie on February 19, 2015, 12:59:12 PM
Ai,


That's bad news! Can we hook up at Stebel towards the end of March? It would be great to meet you, and throw a couple of lures at those fooshes!

Ok, I will have a better idea of my work schedule closer to the time. At the moment end of March is jampacked with work up north of Durban.
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Post by: Torpedo Jack on February 19, 2015, 01:02:33 PM
Great! It would be lovely to have the company of a knowledgeable local down there. The laaitie and I, as well as a friend, will rock up with our Sierras! No fish will be able to resist 4 Sierras waving through the sky! I'll PM you my details, and we'll touch base nearer the time.


In the meantime, Stywe Lyne, Steenie!
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Post by: Steenie on February 19, 2015, 01:08:18 PM
 :clwn
Great! It would be lovely to have the company of a knowledgeable local down there. The laaitie and I, as well as a friend, will rock up with our Sierras! No fish will be able to resist 4 Sierras waving through the sky! I'll PM you my details, and we'll touch base nearer the time.


In the meantim, Stywe Lyne, Steenie!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on February 19, 2015, 05:31:43 PM
Chase no 5 vs Chase no 2
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Post by: Steenie on February 19, 2015, 05:34:13 PM
White metal side
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Post by: smiley6996 on February 19, 2015, 06:52:49 PM
Interesting so they painted one side and tin the other side very nice
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Post by: Steenie on February 19, 2015, 07:00:03 PM
Interesting so they painted one side and tin the other side very nice

Nope not paint, but very potent glow in the dark adhesive material. It lasts for ages and is as tough as hell.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: smiley6996 on February 19, 2015, 07:23:33 PM
Ok I avoid covered spoons for the simple reason they don't last on the rocks at my spots I think I must try get my hands on some thou test them on our ec fish dose it  stay in the water in strong wind or do you save them for calm days like the needle nose plugs
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Post by: Steenie on February 19, 2015, 08:38:31 PM
Ok I avoid covered spoons for the simple reason they don't last on the rocks at my spots I think I must try get my hands on some thou test them on our ec fish dose it  stay in the water in strong wind or do you save them for calm days like the needle nose plugs

The Chase no 5 spoon sits particularly well in the water in windy conditions. That is the main reason why I managed to still get a GT on monday in that buster of a SW wind at Vidal. The glow material is really tough against the rocks. But at some point I pull it off and shine up both white metal sides. Deadly without the glow as well!
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Post by: Lofty on February 19, 2015, 09:04:16 PM
Ok I avoid covered spoons for the simple reason they don't last on the rocks at my spots I think I must try get my hands on some thou test them on our ec fish dose it  stay in the water in strong wind or do you save them for calm days like the needle nose plugs

The Chase no 5 spoon sits particularly well in the water in windy conditions. That is the main reason why I managed to still get a GT on monday in that buster of a SW wind at Vidal. The glow material is really tough against the rocks. But at some point I pull it off and shine up both white metal sides. Deadly without the glow as well!
sounds like a winner,where do we find these and what,if I may ask,is the price you paid for these spoons...?Just as a referance,because in these smaller towns we live in we might get shafted price wise... :dunno: :tkx: for the info...have some  :+ cred: :udman:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: 1969 on February 20, 2015, 06:08:15 AM
around 70 bucks
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Post by: Steenie on February 20, 2015, 08:07:36 AM
I could not get them at Kingfisher or Basil Manning in Durban. So I buy them directly from Chase Fishing Tackle in Ballito. Perhaps, Rob Jameson, the owner will do mail orders. The shop's number is 032 946 3865. I like to alternate between these Chase spoons and the CID couta casting no 2 spoons. Often a switch to one or the other delivers a strike straight away.
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Post by: SAfish on February 20, 2015, 09:17:52 AM
I went for a spinning session on Wednesday afternoon and saw some Garrick smashing the Mullets but they were not interested in my plugs. I am starting to think that they get used to the plugs and will try and trick them with my spoons this weekend. 
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Post by: Steenie on February 20, 2015, 09:43:03 AM
I went for a spinning session on Wednesday afternoon and saw some Garrick smashing the Mullets but they were not interested in my plugs. I am starting to think that they get used to the plugs and will try and trick them with my spoons this weekend.

Tight lines! And l am looking forward to feedback on the Garrick successes in your area. Personnally I cannot wait for the return of the Garrick to the KZN shore this winter. I also believe that spoons, worked in the right fashion, could easily trick them. Last winter I was still finding my feet with the spinning and really did not have any clear action plan with spoons. Now I feel I am ready for them! Switching between plugs and spoons and seeing what works best!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: SAfish on February 20, 2015, 10:02:07 AM
I try to vary my retrieval speed combined with some skipping on the surface and twitching of the rod tip. I am also going to chase them with the kayak and follow them around. I want to troll a Halco while chasing them and hopefully I can manage to get one. So far I had a dismal season.  :blush:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: carll on February 20, 2015, 10:10:34 AM
Got this Eastern Little Tuna (Bonito) early this morning. Tried various spoons, and got some bumps without connecting.  I then switched to the chase no. 2 spoon, which got a longer profile than the chase no. 5 bullet, and connected on the first cast. Fast retrieve with spoon skidding on the surface.  Damn strong fish in deep water from the shore!

Congratulations ! You on fire ...  Lol
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Papparoach on February 20, 2015, 11:32:14 AM
 :tkx: Steenie for sharing your learning expieirience, nice to see a fellow angler make progress.
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Post by: colin on February 20, 2015, 03:34:27 PM
 :tkx: for tips :toppie:
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Post by: SAfish on February 20, 2015, 06:54:57 PM
On my way back I saw Leeries smashing and I could not get to the water fast enough. Two hours later I gave up and came home empty handed.  :-( Tomorrow I'll try again.
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Post by: Steenie on February 20, 2015, 07:33:22 PM
On my way back I saw Leeries smashing and I could not get to the water fast enough. Two hours later I gave up and came home empty handed.  :-( Tomorrow I'll try again.

Oh man!!!! It is so frustrating when you see action on the surface and you simply cannot connect! Don't give up EVER! You will get success! My experience with garfish - when you see them behind the spoon smashing at it, speed up the retrieve. Sometimes they attach the spoon then with more vigour and ON!
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Post by: Milo Man on February 20, 2015, 07:39:29 PM
I cant wait to try out my luck end March / April. need some workout.....
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Post by: Steenie on February 20, 2015, 08:47:09 PM
I actually think it is ok for the spoon to go airborne when you really wind it quickly. Why not? When we see baitfish being smashed by gamefish they always go airborne. I often start retrieving the spoon even before it hits the water. A Moerse lawaai on the surface can attract a dream fish!
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Post by: Plugger on February 20, 2015, 09:46:23 PM
Nice post Steenie, great catches. Have you tried the Abu Toby spoon (the genuine one not the Chinese knock off ). My favourite spoon with the Cuda casting spoon second. I havent tried the Chase spoons yet but after seeing how well you are doing with them i think a ride up to Ballito is on the cards. Keep posting your catches.
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Post by: Steenie on February 20, 2015, 09:59:04 PM
Nice post Steenie, great catches. Have you tried the Abu Toby spoon (the genuine one not the Chinese knock off ). My favourite spoon with the Cuda casting spoon second. I havent tried the Chase spoons yet but after seeing how well you are doing with them i think a ride up to Ballito is on the cards. Keep posting your catches.

I ALWAYS carry a 28 g original toby spoon with me. Whenever nothing happens on the fast spoons I try the Toby or Halco Twisty.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: smiley6996 on February 21, 2015, 01:36:59 PM
Closest I could find to a chase spoon was a sensation knock off looks like puta with a chrome plating will take some pix 35 a piece not expecting much
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Post by: smiley6996 on February 21, 2015, 02:20:41 PM
Only one in the shop I seen so hopefully it don't work well :dunno:
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Post by: Steenie on February 21, 2015, 02:31:06 PM
Only one in the shop I seen so hopefully it don't work well :dunno:

Looks nice and very similar to chase no 2 spoon. I take the splitring and swivel of and connect it directly to a Doug Swannel kwik clip. Those clips work like a charm.
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Post by: smiley6996 on February 21, 2015, 02:46:06 PM
already done that i am a big fan of them clips i make my own ones already pulled a 20kg diamond on one no problem
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Post by: Steenie on February 21, 2015, 03:01:26 PM
already done that i am a big fan of them clips i make my own ones already pulled a 20kg diamond on one no problem

Very creative! I agree the Swannel clip design is fool proof.
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Post by: smiley6996 on February 21, 2015, 03:46:45 PM
i dont work so have lots of time and no money there for if i can make it i do
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Post by: Vandit on February 23, 2015, 01:53:33 PM
Hi Steenie,


Cudos to the photographer for taking the photo of you with the GT... It was me...    :clfoto:


Your advise of where to fish and reassurance of improving weather at Vidal was greatly appreciated.


Caught a bluefin and greenspot kingy both close to ~50cm, a tiny salad queeny and a nice sized houndfish/ crocodile needlefish ~80cm.


Was a pleasure to meet you!


Till we meet again...

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Post by: Steenie on February 23, 2015, 02:05:00 PM
Hi Steenie,


Cudos to the cameraman for taking the photo of you with the GT... It was me...    :clfoto:


Your advise of where to fish and reassurance of improving weather at Vidal was greatly appreciated.


Caught a bluefin and greenspot kingy both close to ~50cm, a tiny salad queeny and a nice sized houndfish/ crocodile needlefish ~80cm.


Was a pleasure to meet you!


Till we meet again...

What a nice surprise hearing from the photographer Vandit!! Yes absolutely, thank you so much for taking the photo that morning on an otherwise deserted beach! I tried very hard in the bay after the three of us left the spot where I got the GT due to the very strong wind. However I did not get any more bites. I am so glad that the conditions improved later the week and that you got a couple of species. Those greenspot kingies there are strong fighters! Hopefully we will meet there again! It looks like my next session there could be end-March.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on March 24, 2015, 06:29:03 PM
Cannot wait to spin Cape Vidal twice next week. I need a change of scenery urgently. The Dbn North beaches are simply not producing and I am giving 200% of commitment. Ballito and north are producing the occasional snoek etc. but closer to Dbn its like a graveyard at present. So I cannot wait for Vidal!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on March 24, 2015, 07:04:13 PM
Picking 3 Chase no 5 spoons up in Umhlanga tomorrow that Rob Jameson from Chase Fishing Tackle in Ballito is bringing down for me. I don't want to get caught out short with ammunition whilst at Vidal. That spoon has not failed me in the last three sessions there!
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Post by: jball7204 on March 25, 2015, 07:03:46 AM
I'll be there from Friday till Sunday. Will let you know if there are any fireworks!
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Post by: Steenie on March 25, 2015, 07:12:30 AM
I'll be there from Friday till Sunday. Will let you know if there are any fireworks!

Thanks a million - that will be very kind of you. Tight lines (braid) for you up there!
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Post by: jball7204 on March 25, 2015, 08:11:26 PM
 :hehe: thanks Steenie........
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Post by: Steenie on March 30, 2015, 09:15:04 PM
Tough morning at Vidal - sea was on its head. But managed to get Largespot Pompano on the CID Couta casting no 2 and chase no 5 spoons in tricky conditions. Will be back there on Wednesday in much better predicted conditions.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on April 01, 2015, 05:34:47 PM
The chartreuse and orange CID couta casting no 2 spoons were deadly this morning at Cape Vidal and acounted for four fine largespot pompano's. Such good fun these fish on light tackle. Tagged and released all four of them. Also got a small greenspot kingie on a chase no 5 spoon. The kingies were really scarce in near perfect conditions.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Plugger on April 02, 2015, 11:40:46 AM
Nice going Steenie nothing better than catching fish on lures on an empty beach !!
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Post by: Steenie on April 02, 2015, 03:03:47 PM
Nice going Steenie nothing better than catching fish on lures on an empty beach !!

Yes its priceless compared to the crowded and filthy beaches here in Durban.  And knowing that you managed to trick fish into eating pieces of metal!
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Post by: sardinella on April 02, 2015, 06:53:35 PM
Well done
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Post by: Steenie on April 23, 2015, 09:10:33 PM
Nice action shot of the Assassin Sierra doing what it is best at - casting spoons an absolute mile.
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Post by: MIKE PIKE on April 23, 2015, 09:22:10 PM
 :clfoto: , hows the loading on that rod ... :Like: .
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Post by: Nooduck on April 24, 2015, 06:17:13 AM
Awesome photo!!
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Post by: Steenie on April 28, 2015, 06:51:41 PM
After 2 hours of non stop spinning this morning and not even a single bite, things suddenly came right at 07h45. Got myself a nice 70 cm forklength Natal snoek from the southern ledges at Cape Vidal, followed by three really big wave garrick of up to 43 cm forklength in rapid succession. Also lost a real bus of a queenfish at my feet. Brut force is needed to get any big fish over those ledges and the hook pulls so easily out of soft-mouthed fish often just when you are about to land them! All the action was on a chase no 5 spoon. Used my Assassin Sierra paired with Shimano Stradic 5000 spooled with 25 lbs Gosen Jigging Braid (PE1.5).
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Post by: Milo Man on April 28, 2015, 09:23:24 PM
It hurts to see all this coming out and I don't have a rod in hand, keep the post coming. :shd: :gt: :grk:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: MIKE PIKE on April 29, 2015, 07:42:55 AM
Great stuff Steenie , my daily fix for the day , keep it coming . :Like:
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Post by: Seventenths on April 29, 2015, 08:54:15 AM
Nice Steenie....effort = Reward!! :happ:
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Post by: domz on April 29, 2015, 02:54:40 PM
nice one :udman:  now im itching to throw.
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Post by: Timothy Scriven on April 29, 2015, 05:20:05 PM
Very cool thread this!
 :envy
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Post by: Steenie on April 29, 2015, 08:25:09 PM
Thanks guys! I get 100 fold more motivation out of your catches! Just when I thought I am not destined to catch a natal snoek it happened. That is the game of spinning for you!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Jaybennie on May 15, 2015, 04:32:28 PM
Hi Steenie, how are you enjoying that Sensation spin bag? Negatives? Positives? Comfort? Are the zips holding up to the saltwater? Some lovely catches by the way! Well done! The time you putting in is definitely paying off!
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Post by: Steenie on May 15, 2015, 10:13:18 PM
Hi Steenie, how are you enjoying that Sensation spin bag? Negatives? Positives? Comfort? Are the zips holding up to the saltwater? Some lovely catches by the way! Well done! The time you putting in is definitely paying off!

Very happy with the bag. Just removed the concertina lure holder. I rather use smaller sealed containers inside the bag. Less rust formation on hooks etc. But the zips and rest of bag is really good quality.
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Post by: Jaybennie on May 16, 2015, 09:31:46 AM
Thanks Steenie. It looks like the one on Basil Mannings site only has one compartment instead of 2! Will have to look around.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on May 16, 2015, 09:58:46 AM
Thanks Steenie. It looks like the one on Basil Mannings site only has one compartment instead of 2! Will have to look around.

No, they do stock the two compartment ones. Its the wrong photo on their website.
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Post by: Jaybennie on May 16, 2015, 11:09:48 AM
Thanks steenie!
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Post by: Steenie on May 16, 2015, 06:13:43 PM
Finally I have a method that I believe is good enough to tie the FG knot. Until now I have been using the figure 8 in Fluorocarbon to 7-turn uniknot in braid connection without any failure. But my FG knots are now good enough I believe to start using this knot instead.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on May 16, 2015, 06:29:03 PM
http://www.saltstrong.com/articles/best-fishing-knot-for-braided-line/ (http://www.saltstrong.com/articles/best-fishing-knot-for-braided-line/)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on May 16, 2015, 06:30:38 PM
The more tightly (snug) you get the 1st and 2nd braid coils around the fluorocarbon the better this knot becomes.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on May 16, 2015, 08:14:24 PM
Its been really a tough couple of months ito spinning in the Durban area. I caught close to 20 fish on spoon this year at Cape Vidal in perfect conditions. But morning after morning my success in the Durban area has been dismal. My friend, Guy Bishop, who gets very little time to spin due to business commitments did really well locally I would say. He got a 74 cm fork length blacktip kingie on a skinny needlenose plug as well as his first snoek (the same week I got my first snoek as well!). Lets hope the next couple of months deliver some good fish!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: domz on May 17, 2015, 04:35:35 PM
Really good catches there  :tite
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Plugger on May 18, 2015, 08:21:03 PM
A 74 black tip is a seriously nice fish,we'll done. Two of my sons are fishing the Pumula jetski comp this weekend so I'm looking forward to thrashing the water this weekend.Vidal trip coming up next month so hopefully some fish on the Amia.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on May 20, 2015, 11:53:45 AM
A 74 black tip is a seriously nice fish,we'll done. Two of my sons are fishing the Pumula jetski comp this weekend so I'm looking forward to thrashing the water this weekend.Vidal trip coming up next month so hopefully some fish on the Amia.

I will be spinning Vidal again next week Thursday (weather permitting). I hope conditions are good so that I can expand further on my knowledge and successes in that fantastic area.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Willie on May 20, 2015, 12:00:45 PM
 :tite  I hope the weather plays along. Looking forward to the next report.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on May 29, 2015, 09:04:26 PM
Some good action today with greenspot kingies. Biggest one was 55 cm fork length. The others were 45 and 40 cm. All on chase no 5 spoon. At one stage I saw at least 10 of these kingies chasing my spoon down in a big swell and then VAS PAPPA!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on May 29, 2015, 09:07:42 PM
No 2
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Post by: Steenie on May 29, 2015, 09:08:52 PM
No 3
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Post by: Steenie on May 29, 2015, 09:10:54 PM
Sorry, the smaller one was on a CID couta casting no 1 spoon in pink glow.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: MIKE PIKE on May 29, 2015, 09:15:44 PM
 (clap) awesome stuff Steenie, looks like you"ve got the spinning and catching some great fish down to a fine art .. :win:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Plugger on May 30, 2015, 04:15:23 AM
Awesome fishing Steenie !!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: REEFMAN on May 30, 2015, 06:04:31 AM
Nice Steenie! Good catches! Show us the battle scars...  :hnthnt:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on May 30, 2015, 06:43:27 AM
Nice Steenie! Good catches! Show us the battle scars...  :hnthnt:

Haha!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: John F on May 30, 2015, 09:13:02 AM
Sweat, blood and tears! Love it!

 :+ cred:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on June 08, 2015, 07:17:17 AM
Big learning event! If she swims with you when you fall into a gully whilst fighting a fish don't:

a) Continue spinning for another 2 hours as if nothing has happened;

b) Go home afterwards and think lubrication through the service port is going to solve the problem;

c) Continue to spin afterwards for another three sessions.

She will seize up! Full service awaits and hopefully it will not be too costly.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: CLS on June 08, 2015, 11:25:38 AM
Big learning event! If she swims with you when you fall into a gully whilst fighting a fish don't:

a) Continue spinning for another 2 hours as if nothing has happened;

b) Go home afterwards and think lubrication through the service port is going to solve the problem;

c) Continue to spin afterwards for another three sessions.

She will seize up! Full service awaits and hopefully it will not be too costly.
:-( :-(
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Shivaan on June 08, 2015, 11:41:56 AM
Eish Sorry Riekert. Hope its not too costly
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Post by: Jaybennie on June 08, 2015, 04:54:05 PM
Haibo! Hope it's just a bearing! Another lesson learnt!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: REEFMAN on June 08, 2015, 05:06:17 PM
Big learning event! If she swims with you when you fall into a gully whilst fighting a fish don't:

a) Continue spinning for another 2 hours as if nothing has happened;

b) Go home afterwards and think lubrication through the service port is going to solve the problem;

c) Continue to spin afterwards for another three sessions.

She will seize up! Full service awaits and hopefully it will not be too costly.


DIY Riekert!! C'mon you can do it!!

http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=9937.0 (http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=9937.0)

(http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/articles/STRADIC/Stradic%2001.jpg)

Then once you've done that, turn it into a Stella...  :hnthnt:

http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=14254.0 (http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=14254.0)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on June 08, 2015, 05:26:31 PM
Big learning event! If she swims with you when you fall into a gully whilst fighting a fish don't:

a) Continue spinning for another 2 hours as if nothing has happened;

b) Go home afterwards and think lubrication through the service port is going to solve the problem;

c) Continue to spin afterwards for another three sessions.

She will seize up! Full service awaits and hopefully it will not be too costly.


DIY Riekert!! C'mon you can do it!!

[url]http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=9937.0[/url] ([url]http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=9937.0[/url])

([url]http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/articles/STRADIC/Stradic%2001.jpg[/url])

Then once you've done that, turn it into a Stella...  :hnthnt:

[url]http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=14254.0[/url] ([url]http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=14254.0[/url])


I instinctively considered your tut and doing it myself this morning. But i am taking the reel to a pro tomorrow. Sardines are nearly here, north of Waterfall - Bluff already. So no time to experiment with DIY on this first occasion!!!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: REEFMAN on June 08, 2015, 05:27:34 PM
 :hehe: I hear you!  :tite
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on June 08, 2015, 05:36:42 PM
:hehe: I hear you!  :tite

Bloody typical to have reel troubles just when sardine run is about to start!! The sharks board did a reconnaissance flight today and it is boiling just south of KZN!!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: fishatic on June 08, 2015, 06:45:51 PM
If it HAS died; Shimano are going to be releasing a new Stradic.... the FK. Hagan body like the Stella, styling very Japanese, but looks pretty cool.
Or buy a sealed reel like the Saragossa or Spheros?


http://www.shimanofish.com.au/articles/stradicfk-teaser.html (http://www.shimanofish.com.au/articles/stradicfk-teaser.html)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on June 08, 2015, 10:12:17 PM
If it HAS died; Shimano are going to be releasing a new Stradic.... the FK. Hagan body like the Stella, styling very Japanese, but looks pretty cool.
Or buy a sealed reel like the Saragossa or Spheros?


[url]http://www.shimanofish.com.au/articles/stradicfk-teaser.html[/url] ([url]http://www.shimanofish.com.au/articles/stradicfk-teaser.html[/url])


Cannot wait for that new Stradic to arrive!! No man, my stradic will be fine, they dont die!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: chrisquinton on June 08, 2015, 10:21:58 PM
i have had plenty swims. no problem continuing the spinning session, but you have to soak the reel afterwards - like as soon as you can get to fresh water. I over lubticate my reels with sticky gear oil in preparation for the inevitable swim. The water washes out/off the oiled surfaces quite easily. sand is, however a terrible reel eater, so be careful of sand from the beach and sand in white water. It can be fine enough to get into the smallest bearings...
 opening it up is simpler than you might think, and it is worth a try. you will at least learn where and how much of what lubricants/grease to use....
if you cock it up, get a sustain.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: fishatic on June 08, 2015, 10:36:37 PM
Or lust after one of these Subaquas...
Completely sealed.





Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: chrisquinton on June 08, 2015, 11:10:24 PM
Although id love a crazy expensive reel, id rather buy 4 Stradics than one of those for the same bux. The retrieve ratio on those is also too low for the kind of spinning the uncle is doing.
Unfortunately, every couple of years the reel manufacturers up their game, and if for 10k you got a reel that would still be as good as a mid-quality spinning reel in ten years, then its probably worth considering.

My personal opinion is to stick with an affordable mid quality reel such as a symetre or stradic, make it last you 2 or even 3 good years, then get a new one. the stradic you buy in 3 years time will be as good as a sustain today... if not better. you might also not mind dumping it in the sand every now and then.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: fishatic on June 08, 2015, 11:19:59 PM
I said lust, not buy....
Same designer as the Van Staal, Zeebaas (& 3-tand Fly reels)
Half the price of the Van Staal and Zeebaas, but still $450 is a lot of cash.

Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on June 09, 2015, 05:52:52 AM
Thanks for all the tips and advice. Will definetely approach the maintenance differently after a swim! I service my reel every week, but have learned now that more TLC is needed after a swim!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Plugger on June 09, 2015, 03:40:44 PM
Reel maintenance can get expensive. My son broke the handle of my Stradick 8000and I had the option of a used handle for R600 or a new one for R900. I took the used one as it was in perfect condition.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on June 28, 2015, 08:58:51 PM
It was a great meal tonight on the braai. Natal snoek on the new redhead couta casting no 2 spoon this morning. Did not come easy. Took 2 hours of spinning to get a hookup.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: REEFMAN on June 29, 2015, 06:16:38 AM
Very nice Riekert!!  (clap)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on July 26, 2015, 06:51:07 PM
Going to try these new acquisitions out at Cape Vidal/St Lucia this week Wed/Thursday. The Williamson Slick Jig (40 g). Somehow I think they have Natal snoek or kingie written all over them! Has anyone had success with these spoons?
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Haroldg on July 26, 2015, 11:34:19 PM
I'd say orange & gold for the Kingies and the other for the Natal Snoek - just the right weight as well for your setup Steenie. Will wait for the pics...
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on July 27, 2015, 07:17:49 AM
I'd say orange & gold for the Kingies and the other for the Natal Snoek - just the right weight as well for your setup Steenie. Will wait for the pics...

It will be a pleasure to go and test your color hypothesis!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on July 30, 2015, 03:01:37 PM
Well chaps, those Williamson Slick Jigs, of which I posted a pic last week, work!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on July 30, 2015, 03:03:17 PM
Moderator - please rotate the photo for me! Don't know why it is upside down!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: John F on July 30, 2015, 03:09:23 PM
Moderator - please rotate the photo for me! Don't know why it is upside down!


Done.

Nice catch! You should submit it to the Angler of the Month comp http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=20098.0 (http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=20098.0)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: REEFMAN on July 30, 2015, 03:17:25 PM
BRILLIANT Riekert! Outstanding catch!  (clap) :envy as always...
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Plugger on July 30, 2015, 03:23:20 PM
Nice Riekert, showing us how it's done again!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: sardinella on July 30, 2015, 03:40:14 PM
Nice!

Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: CLS on July 30, 2015, 03:59:08 PM
 (clap) (clap) well done nice fish
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on July 30, 2015, 04:39:58 PM
Moderator - please rotate the photo for me! Don't know why it is upside down!


Done.

Nice catch! You should submit it to the Angler of the Month comp [url]http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=20098.0[/url] ([url]http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=20098.0[/url])


Thank you!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: colin on July 30, 2015, 06:02:25 PM
 :cgrts: great photo and info. :tkx:  :toppie:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: GT on July 30, 2015, 08:00:46 PM
Brilliant catch there. Hope you will be posting some details as always .
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on July 30, 2015, 08:11:53 PM
Brilliant catch there. Hope you will be posting some details as always .

Got this Queen Mackerel from the beach at St Lucia this morning at around 08h00 near low tide (yes very lucky to get the fish so late and near low tide!). Started before sunrise and landed 5 shad on the pink glow couta casting no 2 spoon. Guys left of me got 2 really big garrick on live shad. I threw my arms of with spoons, plugs, slimbaits and shiversticks for the garrick with no success. I gradually moved south throwing couta casting and chase spoons every couple of meters. Then changed to the orange Williamson Slick Jig, and first cast was ON! Later went tight with another good fish, but I lost it far out after a couple of seconds.

That Slick Jig casts really far, without any wobbles in the air. And its got great action! Instantly in love with this spoon!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: carll on July 31, 2015, 10:49:18 PM
Congrats Riekert, showing us how it's done again!  (clap)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 01, 2015, 08:49:40 AM
Thanks guys. My catches are a drop in ocean against some of the spinning gurus here in KZN. It is unbelievable how they manage to locate fish, the art of being at the right spot at the right time. But each catch give me great joy as well as the ongoing challenge of continuous improvement!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 05, 2015, 08:03:41 PM
Got this 84 cm Queen Mackerel (Snoek) on the Natal north coast on a green glow couta casting no 2 spoon this morning. Good fight!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: DavePE on August 05, 2015, 09:50:16 PM
Awesome catch. Did you manage to sort out your Stradic after it got dunked?
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 05, 2015, 09:52:22 PM
I need to tell you this story. I have never experienced anything like this in my life! Had a meeting with farmers this morning at 08h00 in Umhlali just outside Ballito. So just before 06h00 I was on a deep water section of ledges north of Ballito spinning with spoons in ideal sea conditions.

From before sunrise until about 06h45 it was like a graveyard. Not a single bump on spoon. Then suddenly the sea just exploded over about a 2 km section im front of me with bait fish shoals. And they were being smashed all over by big natal snoek. I literally watched how hundreds of snoek jumped out of the water all over the place!! They were all out of casting range. And that is where the whole spectacle stayed. Except for one small pocket of bait fish with snoek that came within range! It is from this one opportunity that I extracted my 84 cm specimen this morning with one of those rare magical long distance casts that only the Assassin Sierra can produce! Wow!!!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 05, 2015, 09:54:09 PM
Awesome catch. Did you manage to sort out your Stradic after it got dunked?

Yebo yes - my Stradic is alive and kicking. It handled that snoek like a charm this morning!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Poenskop on August 06, 2015, 07:20:11 AM
Quality Fish! (clap)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Half-Pint on August 06, 2015, 07:33:35 AM
Steenie this has been a great thread to follow!

From your early days of learning the ropes to now becoming quite the pro it has been a great journey so thanks for taking us all along for the ride
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 06, 2015, 07:40:26 AM
I have no doubt anymore in my mind that the Swannel kwik clip is very good. Fears that they affect lure action, and that they spook sensitive fish like snoek, is unfounded in my humble opinion. I also do not experience gremlins like braid twist, wind knots etc. with these clips. Shown here is how I use the Swannel clip. I tie my fluorocarbon leader directly to the clip. And then the spoon to the clip. Note the orientation of the clip. The clip must not be the other way around. Shown here is the green glow couta casting no 2 spoon with a hyperwire no 4 splitring fitted with a Diachi D55 no 14 hook. I bent the hook inline with pliers before first use. Deadly!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Willie on August 06, 2015, 07:41:04 AM
Steenie this has been a great thread to follow!

From your early days of learning the ropes to now becoming quite the pro it has been a great journey so thanks for taking us all along for the ride


 :corrct: 
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 06, 2015, 07:41:39 AM
Steenie this has been a great thread to follow!

From your early days of learning the ropes to now becoming quite the pro it has been a great journey so thanks for taking us all along for the ride

Thank you! I am glad that the info is of some use!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Willie on August 06, 2015, 07:49:57 AM
The info is of great help I have not really giving to spinning a real go yet but from your posts I am getting ready for my next trip to the coast.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: colin on August 06, 2015, 08:05:34 AM
 :win: thanks for all the interesting reports.  :toppie:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Trevoro on August 06, 2015, 09:55:23 AM
I am a novice in the spinning game and find your thread very informative, my current set up is Shimano exage110 with sustain 5000 which I am hoping to give a bash in Ballito next week, weather permitting, Would you mind sharing a couple of you spots in that area? you can pm me if you would prefer.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 06, 2015, 10:25:04 AM
I am a novice in the spinning game and find your thread very informative, my current set up is Shimano exage110 with sustain 5000 which I am hoping to give a bash in Ballito next week, weather permitting, Would you mind sharing a couple of you spots in that area? you can pm me if you would prefer.


Look at this article by the master himself, Barry Wareham. I cannot come even close to providing you with 10% of this type of info! See link below:

http://www.basilmanning.co.za/barry-s-blog/overviews-of-great-fishing-spots/fishing-the-dolphin-coast.html (http://www.basilmanning.co.za/barry-s-blog/overviews-of-great-fishing-spots/fishing-the-dolphin-coast.html)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Trevoro on August 06, 2015, 10:33:03 AM
Ok thanks
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: REEFMAN on August 06, 2015, 11:57:33 AM
Trevoro, that Exage 110 is a beast of a rod, perhaps too heavy to do light tackle spinning. It is rated 7oz! Will be difficult to throw a 2 oz spoon with.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Homie on August 06, 2015, 12:04:56 PM
What a thread !

Awesome catches there bro !
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Trevoro on August 06, 2015, 12:12:43 PM
Reefman what shimano rod do you suggest? wondered why I find this such hard work??? i am sure there is a thread some where that will help me on this site.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: REEFMAN on August 06, 2015, 12:16:15 PM
You need a rod rated 2oz... Assassin Amia XL, Assassin Sierra are amongst the best at the moment. The Sierra is the one Steenie is using, but it's big bucks!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Trevoro on August 06, 2015, 12:30:52 PM
noted will check out basil manning next week
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 06, 2015, 01:09:41 PM
Yes, very hard work indeed with such heavy lures. What works in KZN the best is a 1 - 2 oz outfit for snoek, shad, kingies and garrick. Sometimes the guys like to throw 3 oz or bigger plugs when the garrick are looking for bigger lures or specifically for blacktip kingies. So having a 3 - 5 oz setup is also very handy. But in general the 1 - 2 oz setups cover most of the bases.  The snoek is quite abundant at present, and they prefer the smaller spoons most of the time. The baitfish I took from the stomach of the one I caught yesterday was really tiny little fish! One need to match the spoon size to baitfish size ideally.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Trevoro on August 06, 2015, 01:21:22 PM
Checked the pricing on the Assasin @ basil maing R3300 a bit heavy for the amount of fishing i do will look for something under R2000 open to suggestions.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: DavePE on August 06, 2015, 01:29:33 PM
The R3,300 is without VAT! I would get an 11' in the Assassin Amia range. That would be in your price range and still an excellent rod. The Sierra is the Rolls Royce of spinning rods, and if you're based in Johannesburg and only fishing during the holidays it would be a bit of an overkill.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: MIKE PIKE on August 06, 2015, 01:43:54 PM
Have a look at the Shimano Scimitar range as well , well priced and just as capable .
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: sardinella on August 06, 2015, 02:44:58 PM
Excellent snoek from the shore - well done!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: REEFMAN on August 06, 2015, 04:37:28 PM
Told you the Sierra was big bucks!!
The Amia is a very capable alternative at a fraction of the price. Or a Poseidon Ultra light HMG, which is a great little 12ft rod.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Debbie on August 06, 2015, 08:11:55 PM
This is one of the best threads I have read on all my fishing forum  (clap) in a very long time. Entertaining and informative.

Thank you for all the information on spoons and cape vidal.  Im going to St lucia/Cape vidal for 9 days and I have a feeling Im going to have loads of fun with my spinning rig.

I have a Assasin spinning rod(  not sure of the name ) with a shimano exage reel.  I have most of the spoons you have mentioned ( lots of pink of course )


Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 06, 2015, 08:41:10 PM
This is one of the best threads I have read on all my fishing forum  (clap) in a very long time. Entertaining and informative.

Thank you for all the information on spoons and cape vidal.  Im going to St lucia/Cape vidal for 9 days and I have a feeling Im going to have loads of fun with my spinning rig.

I have a Assasin spinning rod(  not sure of the name ) with a shimano exage reel.  I have most of the spoons you have mentioned ( lots of pink of course )

I am sure you are going to have loads of fun in that area! There are some really good snoek at St Lucia this winter and the garrick has also started to make an appearance. Cape Vidal can throw anything at you! Try and get a couple of chase no 5 spoons from Rob Jameson in Ballito (he is on FB). This year I have found that that spoon is unbeatable up there. And recently I started to use the Williamson Slick Jig up there. Got a good snoek at St Lucia last week on its maiden use!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 06, 2015, 08:43:38 PM
Told you the Sierra was big bucks!!
The Amia is a very capable alternative at a fraction of the price. Or a Poseidon Ultra light HMG, which is a great little 12ft rod.

Some guys with the Amia has given me good hidings this year already with my Sierra and all! Amia is a brilliant rod! Cannot go wrong with it hey!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Debbie on August 06, 2015, 08:57:09 PM
This is one of the best threads I have read on all my fishing forum  (clap) in a very long time. Entertaining and informative.

Thank you for all the information on spoons and cape vidal.  Im going to St lucia/Cape vidal for 9 days and I have a feeling Im going to have loads of fun with my spinning rig.

I have a Assasin spinning rod(  not sure of the name ) with a shimano exage reel.  I have most of the spoons you have mentioned ( lots of pink of course )

I am sure you are going to have loads of fun in that area! There are some really good snoek at St Lucia this winter and the garrick has also started to make an appearance. Cape Vidal can throw anything at you! Try and get a couple of chase no 5 spoons from Rob Jameson in Ballito (he is on FB). This year I have found that that spoon is unbeatable up there. And recently I started to use the Williamson Slick Jig up there. Got a good snoek at St Lucia last week on its maiden use!

I have a few of those "Iron Candy"  spoons ( pink. blue and green ) and various silver ones in different sizes.  I have plugs ( i think they called ice cream ) in various sizes the pearl ones .  All my spoons have the single hook.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 06, 2015, 09:28:41 PM
This is one of the best threads I have read on all my fishing forum  (clap) in a very long time. Entertaining and informative.

Thank you for all the information on spoons and cape vidal.  Im going to St lucia/Cape vidal for 9 days and I have a feeling Im going to have loads of fun with my spinning rig.

I have a Assasin spinning rod(  not sure of the name ) with a shimano exage reel.  I have most of the spoons you have mentioned ( lots of pink of course )

I am sure you are going to have loads of fun in that area! There are some really good snoek at St Lucia this winter and the garrick has also started to make an appearance. Cape Vidal can throw anything at you! Try and get a couple of chase no 5 spoons from Rob Jameson in Ballito (he is on FB). This year I have found that that spoon is unbeatable up there. And recently I started to use the Williamson Slick Jig up there. Got a good snoek at St Lucia last week on its maiden use!

I have a few of those "Iron Candy"  spoons ( pink. blue and green ) and various silver ones in different sizes.  I have plugs ( i think they called ice cream ) in various sizes the pearl ones .  All my spoons have the single hook.

You look well prepared! I still need to get myself one of the new glow g
GT icecream needlenose plugs!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Trevoro on August 07, 2015, 08:42:55 AM
Ok thanks decision made Amia it is next post will be TA, checked all my gear last night have the slick jigs, spoons and GT  plugs in the 1-2oz range so fine on that side will get some chase spoons while in Ballito so come December will be fully rigged. Can you help me with Rob Jamieson contact details dont do FB.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Plugger on August 07, 2015, 09:10:18 AM
Two of my sons and myself have the Amias paired with stradick 5000 s. Awesome combo. Last weekend we got in excess of 50 Shad (all released) but unfortunately no Snoek. On Saturday the Onda Onde (purple original) did the damage with the Abu Toby second. Sunday they wouldn't look at the Onda but a Olive stick bait was all they would take
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 07, 2015, 09:44:25 AM
Ok thanks decision made Amia it is next post will be TA, checked all my gear last night have the slick jigs, spoons and GT  plugs in the 1-2oz range so fine on that side will get some chase spoons while in Ballito so come December will be fully rigged. Can you help me with Rob Jamieson contact details dont do FB.

I just send you his cell number via private message.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Shaun17 on August 07, 2015, 11:55:04 AM
Assassin Amia 9ft H / XH MWG currently 50% off at BM...
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Shaun17 on August 07, 2015, 11:57:01 AM
7ft as well...

Amia 8 ft marked down from R1300 to R900
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 17, 2015, 05:52:24 PM
What a great way to start the work week! Got this 85 cm forklength Garrick this morning on spoon before sunrise.  Tagged and released this really hard-fighting fish after carefully reviving it before I let her out of my hands. Tackle used: Assassin Sierra 11 ft rod paired with Shimano Stradic 5000 FJ reel spooled with 25 lbs (PE1.5) Gosen jigging braid. Spoon used was the pink glow couta casting no 2 spoon on a medium fast retrieve.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: 1969 on August 17, 2015, 06:00:36 PM
Nice one bud .
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Plugger on August 17, 2015, 06:03:42 PM
Another nice one Riekert ! Best time to be on the beach!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: sardinella on August 17, 2015, 06:34:53 PM
What a  boykie! Well done!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: colin on August 17, 2015, 08:26:17 PM
 :envy  really envious of you guys that are able to get to the surf so often. :cgrts:  great catch. :toppie:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: jball7204 on August 17, 2015, 10:47:43 PM
 (clap) (clap) (clap)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: philter on August 18, 2015, 12:59:17 PM
Great catch steenie,  well done
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Debbie on August 19, 2015, 07:58:33 AM
 (clap) (clap) nice one
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 19, 2015, 10:06:29 AM
(clap) (clap) nice one

Thank you! How did the rest of your time in St Lucia go with the fishing?
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Debbie on August 19, 2015, 10:48:45 AM
We caught lots of shad and I managed another garrick on the Thursday on a live bait.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 19, 2015, 11:30:39 AM
We caught lots of shad and I managed another garrick on the Thursday on a live bait.

Well done! I will be spinning St Lucia this Friday/Saturday morning. Cannot wait!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Debbie on August 19, 2015, 11:37:23 AM
A friend of mine caught two garrick there is morning, a 7kg and 10 kg on live bait.

Apparently the natal snoek are think at Mapalane, they guys are catching them on spoon. A group of about 5 guys caught 40 snoek between them.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Plugger on August 19, 2015, 01:02:07 PM
I feel a Mapelane trip comming on!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 20, 2015, 04:46:18 PM
A friend of mine caught two garrick there is morning, a 7kg and 10 kg on live bait.

Apparently the natal snoek are think at Mapalane, they guys are catching them on spoon. A group of about 5 guys caught 40 snoek between them.

Thank you for update! Will see what happens tomorrow morning!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: jball7204 on August 20, 2015, 06:09:17 PM
Best of luck.....jealous!!!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 20, 2015, 06:42:12 PM
Best of luck.....jealous!!!

Thanks man! Got to go to Pongola for work, but obviously I plan my trip to do some spinning as always! Will depart at 3 tomorrow morning from home to get there at first light!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: jball7204 on August 20, 2015, 06:52:10 PM
Enjoy it, the conditions look great!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: yakuza on August 21, 2015, 01:15:52 PM
How was the spinning session this morning @ Steenie??
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 21, 2015, 04:12:16 PM
It turned out to be a tough session this morning. I arrived at St Lucia beach just before 06h00 to be met by a big swell breaking heavily on the outer sand banks. My fears of earlier, that I noted on the real-time Richards Bay wave buoy, namely around a 2 m swell with a nasty wave period of over 14 sec, was confirmed on arrival!

The only option was to spin the inshore gutter, because it was not possible to get behind the backline. I found a spot where there was some subtle evidence of break in the back sand bank, although the waves still broke at the back from time to time. I started of with the pink glow couta casting no 2 spoon and the shad were around. I managed 7 shad during the first hour or so. I released them all. The shad went of the bite very suddenly and I switched to plugs in an attempt to get a Garrick.

Nothing further happened. A lot of shad went out as live baits on the beach, but I did not see anything come out. I left for Pongola at around 10h00.

Will return tomorrow and hope to be there by around 05h30. With the slightly later high tide, coupled with the SW wind that will come through, I hope that conditions will be a bit better. All depends on the strength of the SW!

First priority is to get my quota of shad for a fish braai tomorrow evening when I am back in Durban. Anything else will then be a bonus, I think, in what will most probably be another tough session tomorrow.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: sardinella on August 21, 2015, 04:37:15 PM
Sunday looks very promising, try and stay.over
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 21, 2015, 04:49:32 PM
Sunday looks very promising, try and stay.over

I know! But my wife will kill me! Besides, I need to be in Salt Rock Sunday for a welcoming function of a week-long congress that starts next Monday. At least Salt Rock tidal pool will be my "spinning home" for the next week to come! Opportunities, opportunities! :happ:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 21, 2015, 04:51:02 PM
Sunday looks very promising, try and stay.over

I know! But my wife will kill me! Besides, I need to be in Salt Rock Sunday for a welcoming function of a week-long congress that starts next Monday. At least Salt Rock tidal pool will be my "spinning home" for the next week to come! Opportunities, opportunities! :happ:

Some snoek has been coming out in the Salt Rock area recently, so you never know.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: sardinella on August 21, 2015, 04:55:13 PM
Good luck then
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: jball7204 on August 21, 2015, 07:06:58 PM
Sunday looks very promising, try and stay.over

I know! But my wife will kill me! Besides, I need to be in Salt Rock Sunday for a welcoming function of a week-long congress that starts next Monday. At least Salt Rock tidal pool will be my "spinning home" for the next week to come! Opportunities, opportunities! :happ:

Some snoek has been coming out in the Salt Rock area recently, so you never know.

A week???!!! Providing the surf is not too hectic at the front you should come right. Lucky lucky...
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 21, 2015, 07:20:35 PM
Sunday looks very promising, try and stay.over

I know! But my wife will kill me! Besides, I need to be in Salt Rock Sunday for a welcoming function of a week-long congress that starts next Monday. At least Salt Rock tidal pool will be my "spinning home" for the next week to come! Opportunities, opportunities! :happ:

Some snoek has been coming out in the Salt Rock area recently, so you never know.

A week???!!! Providing the surf is not too hectic at the front you should come right. Lucky lucky...

My thinking exactly Justin!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 05, 2015, 09:38:59 PM
 Eish, September has been hell out of a work perspective and the bites extremely rare. I am taking 9 guys up to Vidal for a manne-weekend this coming weekend. Lines in at 14h00 on Friday and lines out at 10h00 on Sunday morning. First weekend away for some of us belonging to the newly formed KZN Spinning Club. So hopefully I will be able to post a decent report with photos soon!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 05, 2015, 09:44:19 PM
In preparation for this coming weekend I have spooled on some of the new Gosen Casting braid. PE1.5 (25 lb). Apparently it absorbs a fraction of the water the Gosen jigging braid or standard Gosen braid does. So I cannot wait to see how well it casts. Time will tell!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Debbie on October 06, 2015, 08:07:33 AM
tight line  :fshn:

How much is the braid?
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 06, 2015, 09:34:04 AM
tight line  :fshn:

How much is the braid?

Thank you! Its a significant investment. Was R800, R100 less than the Gosen Jigging braid.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: peterblace on October 06, 2015, 09:36:58 AM
tight line  :fshn:

How much is the braid?

Thank you! Its a significant investment. Was R800, R100 less than the Gosen Jigging braid.

how much backing did you need to load to have the 300mt of the 25lb Gosen in (assuming you loaded the 300mt)?
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Debbie on October 06, 2015, 09:43:00 AM
tight line  :fshn:

How much is the braid?

Thank you! Its a significant investment. Was R800, R100 less than the Gosen Jigging braid.

 :tkx:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: fishatic on October 06, 2015, 10:36:01 AM
I am liking the idea of an 8 strand braid that is less absorbent.
Let us know if it feels any different to your old braid.

Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Debbie on October 06, 2015, 11:59:45 AM
I am using a 20lb braid ( not sure of the make as the Basil Manning sales person put it on when i bought my rig ).  This braid kept snapping while i was in St Lucia, i must have lost about 6 spoons due to this.

Is 20lb to light?

Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 06, 2015, 12:53:45 PM
tight line  :fshn:

How much is the braid?

Thank you! Its a significant investment. Was R800, R100 less than the Gosen Jigging braid.

how much backing did you need to load to have the 300mt of the 25lb Gosen in (assuming you loaded the 300mt)?

I spooled the 300 m 25 lb Gosen PE1.5 on and another 35 m of 25 lb Sufix 832 as backing below it to fill the spool up to capacity.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 06, 2015, 12:55:12 PM
I am using a 20lb braid ( not sure of the make as the Basil Manning sales person put it on when i bought my rig ).  This braid kept snapping while i was in St Lucia, i must have lost about 6 spoons due to this.

Is 20lb to light?

Generally speaking 20 lb should be perfect.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 06, 2015, 01:16:22 PM
Ok, first battle won! I tied a FG knot between the PE1.5 Gosen Casting braid and 0.60 mm Siglon fluorocarbon. And it came out brilliantly first time. In the back of my mind I was worried that the teflon coating on the braid, which gives its water-repellent properties, will cause the knot to slip. But my fears were proven wrong, ar least with the Siglon fluorocarbon that is. I am relieved. Hopefully I will go for some maiden casting early tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: peterblace on October 06, 2015, 02:07:36 PM
tight line  :fshn:

How much is the braid?

Thank you! Its a significant investment. Was R800, R100 less than the Gosen Jigging braid.

how much backing did you need to load to have the 300mt of the 25lb Gosen in (assuming you loaded the 300mt)?

I spooled the 300 m 25 lb Gosen PE1.5 on and another 35 m of 25 lb Sufix 832 as backing below it to fill the spool up to capacity.
thanks for the quick reply...
I have a Sustain 5000 on the way and was debating what braid capacity to load in as I have some extra spools hanging at my shed
suffix 832 30lb @ 0.29mm
power pro 20lb @ 0.23mm
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: REEFMAN on October 06, 2015, 02:22:00 PM
I am using a 20lb braid ( not sure of the make as the Basil Manning sales person put it on when i bought my rig ).  This braid kept snapping while i was in St Lucia, i must have lost about 6 spoons due to this.

Is 20lb to light?


Debs, read this... it will change your spinning experience... http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=15598.0 (http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=15598.0)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: fishatic on October 06, 2015, 02:22:27 PM
Based on stated dia, I would opt for the 20lb - it's actual BS is higher than 20lb.
The 30lb is heavy and will limit distance, especially when it's wet and billows out..
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: REEFMAN on October 06, 2015, 02:23:05 PM
Ok, first battle won! I tied a FG knot between the PE1.5 Gosen Casting braid and 0.60 mm Siglon fluorocarbon. And it came out brilliantly first time. In the back of my mind I was worried that the teflon coating on the braid, which gives its water-repellent properties, will cause the knot to slip. But my fears were proven wrong, ar least with the Siglon fluorocarbon that is. I am relieved. Hopefully I will go for some maiden casting early tomorrow morning.

That Braid looks the schizz Steenie! But also big $$!  :shk
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: peterblace on October 06, 2015, 02:29:48 PM
Based on stated dia, I would opt for the 20lb - it's actual BS is higher than 20lb.
The 30lb is heavy and will limit distance, especially when it's wet and billows out..

thanks for that...with that in mind I might have to load extra backing to fill the gap so that spool is filled to capacity
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Prego on October 06, 2015, 02:41:39 PM
Based on stated dia, I would opt for the 20lb - it's actual BS is higher than 20lb.
The 30lb is heavy and will limit distance, especially when it's wet and billows out..

thanks for that...with that in mind I might have to load extra backing to fill the gap so that spool is filled to capacity

I strongly advise you use the 30lb and I will kindly take the 20lb of your hands for my Stradic  :crzy

 :hyst:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 06, 2015, 04:05:01 PM
Ok, first battle won! I tied a FG knot between the PE1.5 Gosen Casting braid and 0.60 mm Siglon fluorocarbon. And it came out brilliantly first time. In the back of my mind I was worried that the teflon coating on the braid, which gives its water-repellent properties, will cause the knot to slip. But my fears were proven wrong, ar least with the Siglon fluorocarbon that is. I am relieved. Hopefully I will go for some maiden casting early tomorrow morning.

That Braid looks the schizz Steenie! But also big $$!  :shk

You are right, its quite a big dent in the pocket at once! But I always like to put things into context. If it lasts me 10 months with very regular use then the cost is R80 per month. One couta casting no 2 spoon is R70.....
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 07, 2015, 07:53:19 AM
I tested the new Gosen Casting braid PE1.5 (25 lb) for the first time this morning in really ideal casting conditions. Here are my first impressions:

Tackle used was my 11ft Assassin Sierra paired with the Shimano Stradic 5000 FJ reel.

I had no snapoffs so it ties a solid FG knot. Casting of 1.5 oz spoons was at least as good as the PE1.5 Gosen jigging braid that I had on the reel previously.

 I am super impressed with its ability to cast 1 oz spoons to virtually the same distance as the 1.5 oz spoons.

Spoon action is simply phenomenal due to the fact that this braid does not absorb much water. Either it transmits spoon action better to the rod tip, or it induces more action out of the spoon. Not sure which is which.

It certainly has less drag in the water. Hence I found that plugging becomes easier. Better plug action with slower retrieve speed. I am super stoked with the purchase!

Only downside that I noted sofar is that it really throws the CID slimbait poorly. That already occurred to some extent when I went from the PE 2 to the PE 1.5 Gosen eight months ago. But with the new braid I find it is much worse. The lure tumbles excessively. Due to the lack of water absorption the braid behind the lure must be much lighter giving the slimbait less stability in the air I suspect. Shiverstick casting distance was a bit more acceptable. And paddle-tails ok.

In conclusion at this preliminary stage it looks like a phenomenal product for guys and girls that love to throw spoons and plugs.

And that is what I love to do!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 08, 2015, 07:53:57 PM
Photo taken by Jonothan Greenway. Me doing my thing at sunrise. Spinning forever and ever!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: peterblace on October 08, 2015, 08:37:08 PM
great shot
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: REEFMAN on October 08, 2015, 09:40:02 PM
 :clfoto: spectacular ˇ
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: MIKE PIKE on October 09, 2015, 07:51:38 AM
 :clfoto:  Steenie , thats a neat looking FG knot , being practicing them as well , getting there slowly , man thats a strong join , tried breaking them , just wont let go , seems its going to be the go to knot /join for my future spinning setups  :hnthnt: 
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 12, 2015, 03:48:57 PM
:clfoto:  Steenie , thats a neat looking FG knot , being practicing them as well , getting there slowly , man thats a strong join , tried breaking them , just wont let go , seems its going to be the go to knot /join for my future spinning setups  :hnthnt:

That FG knot is solid as they come! Sat morning early before it got light I was throwing paddle tails at Vidal from the beach. Annoyingly I forgot to open the bail arm on one of my throws in the dark and had a snap-off! Miraculously one of the KZN spinning club members picked the paddle tail up on the beach later that morning. He helped me insert a glass rattle in it the previous evening and he recognized it as mine. How unlikely is this! Anyway the fluoro leader with FG knot was still attached to paddle tail. The braid actually snapped above the FG knot!! So that knot is strong!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 12, 2015, 03:56:15 PM
Eish Vidal was very poor this weekend with gale NE and later SW winds and huge seas with wave periods of 15 seconds!! Bites were extremely rare. I did hook into a really solid kingie on a chase no 5 spoon the Sat morning that peeled braid from my reel. I allowed the spoon to drop to the bottom. As soon as I lifted it off the bottom with a fast retrieve I got pulled flat. I managed to turn the fish, just for it to swim to my right and cut me off on a deep lying reef just above the fluorocarbon leader. What a pity!

A short while later I caught a nice wave garrick, also on a chase no 5 spoon.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 12, 2015, 03:58:12 PM
This was the 400th fish that I ORI tagged and released! So it was a special wave garrick for me.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: peterblace on October 12, 2015, 04:04:41 PM
Based on stated dia, I would opt for the 20lb - it's actual BS is higher than 20lb.
The 30lb is heavy and will limit distance, especially when it's wet and billows out..

thanks for that...with that in mind I might have to load extra backing to fill the gap so that spool is filled to capacity
fyi...I got the sustain5000 on Saturday...and I was able to load 300yd 20lb braid@0.23mm...full to the capacity of the reel
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: peterblace on October 12, 2015, 04:05:09 PM
This was the 400th fish that I ORI tagged and released! So it was a special wave garrick for me.
congrats on the achievement and the number...uau!!!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 12, 2015, 04:07:51 PM
Thank you....and congrats on the Sustain!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: peterblace on October 12, 2015, 04:47:44 PM
Thank you....and congrats on the Sustain!
thanks...I've paired it with an assassin amia 11ft
now it will be my chance to go trough a learning experience process...but with a tut like this it will make my process easy
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: REEFMAN on October 12, 2015, 05:41:57 PM
This was the 400th fish that I ORI tagged and released! So it was a special wave garrick for me.
Congratulations Riekert! That's quite some achievement. Released fish are  :ayb
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 12, 2015, 08:24:43 PM
This was the 400th fish that I ORI tagged and released! So it was a special wave garrick for me.
Congratulations Riekert! That's quite some achievement. Released fish are  :ayb

Thank you!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 14, 2015, 02:13:23 PM
I though I would share our KZN Spinning Club away-weekend: Cape Vidal (9 – 11 October 2015) report with you guys as well:

 

Ten members of KZN Spinning Club attended the away-weekend at Cape Vidal, me included.

 

The last person reported on the beach at 13h00 the Friday afternoon, which marked the start of the strictly catch and release competition for the weekend. The end of the competition was scheduled for 10h00 the Sunday morning. The catch and release competition rules agreed upon were:

a)      Only fish caught and released would qualify for prizes.

b)      Only fish caught on spinning tackle and lures would qualify for prizes.

c)       For a fish to qualify for a prize, the fork length measurement and other details must have been recorded on the catch and release log that was issued to each angler.

d)      All fork length measurements would be converted to estimated weight using the FishWeights website.

e)      Prizes would be allocated based on estimated weight.

f)       In the unfortunate event that a certain prize could not be allocated due to no captures qualifying for that prize, the prize winner would be decided through lucky-draw.

The various prize categories and prize values were:

First prize: Heaviest fish caught and released - R500 gift voucher sponsored by Basil Manning Fishing Equipment

Second prize: Heaviest bag of fish caught and released – 300 m spool of 20 lbs Gator Braid sponsored by The Kingfisher

Third prize: Most fish caught and released - R350 gift voucher sponsored by Basil Manning Fishing Equipment

Fourth prize: Most fish species caught and released - R200 gift voucher sponsored by Basil Manning Fishing Equipment

Surprise prize: Given to the most up and coming angler during the weekend – Oceanographic Research Institute (ORI) tagging kit voucher sponsored by Stuart Dunlop (from ORI)

Most unusual catch prize: Most unusual fish species caught and released on spinning tackle and lure during the weekend - braid finger glove and fishing scarf sponsored by The Kingfisher


Besides these extremely generous sponsorships from Basil Manning Fishing Equipment, The Kingfisher and ORI, other sponsorships were secured in the form of handouts to each club member attending. These handouts were:

a)      A Chase no 1 and no 5 spoon plus a roll of Sportex leader line for each individual sponsored by Chase Fishing Tackle and Rob Jameson.

b)      A Jeep cap for each individual sponsored by Jeep-South Africa

c)       A stainless steel water bottle and other accessories sponsored by Huawei

d)      Catch and release recording kit (measuring tape, zip-lock bag etc.) for each individual sponsored by Top Floors and Carpets (Umhlanga Branch)

On behalf of KZN Spinning Club I would like to thank all the sponsors for their support of the catch and release competition and for their generous sponsorships to the value of approximately R5000.

 

Fishing report for the weekend:

Due to the high tide the Friday afternoon we fished Vidal Bay and the beach section to the north of the bay from 13h00 until dark. A brisk SE wind blew during this period and bites were extremely scarce with only the odd small shad being taken on spoon. The SE wind is not called the “poison wind” for nothing along the KZN coastline! The SE wind fortunately died down during the night.

 

Spinning commenced from around 03h30 the Saturday morning in calm conditions with yours truly starting off with paddle tails in the dark along the northern beach section on the fuller tide without any success. From first light everyone was scattered along the beach and with the dropping tide gradually managed to brave the Vidal Ledge just to the right of Vidal Bay. Although there was very little wind the sea conditions were not ideal with a steady 1.8 m swell and a wave period of between 13 – 15 seconds. These high energy swells managed to flatten a few of us that climbed onto the ledge, yours truly included!

 

At around sunrise Clint Antill went tight on Vidal ledge with a fish on a green glow couta casting no 2 spoon, which turned out to be a good Large-spot Pompano (Wave Garrick) of 42 cm fork length that gave a good account of itself. This fish was promptly tagged and released after taking a few photos. Yours truly then went tight on a really good fish that ate a Chase no 5 bullet spoon that I allowed to sink to the bottom before starting the retrieve. This fish peeled braid of my reel at a very fast pace. After I managed to turn the fish, it started to swim to the right, and after a few meters I experienced the dreaded feeling of braid against reef and got instantly cut-off. What a big disappointment for losing a potentially competition winning fish! Thereafter things were really disappointingly quiet, with a few small shad being caught here and there.

 

From time to time shoals of small shad were being smashed by unidentified predators just behind the backline within easy casting range. But these game fish were not interested in the plugs and spoons offered to them. Guy Bishop tried his new heavy spinning outfit and threw, amongst others, a 4 oz GT Icecream skinny needlenose plug at these game fish but without raising any bites. It was nevertheless a treat to see the phenomenal casting distance achievable with this mammoth plug and the great action that you get out of the plug at a very fast retrieve speed!

 

Yours truly was then fortunate to go tight for the second time the morning on a fish that again ate the Chase no 5 bullet spoon on a medium-fast retrieve speed. This fish turned out to be a 39 cm fork length Large-spot Pompano that I promptly tagged and released. When I gently released it out of my hands I suddenly realised that this was my 400th fish that I have tagged and released. A personal proud moment in my angling career.

 

Unfortunately the weather then turned for the worse with a gale-force NE wind for the rest of the Saturday with big choppy seas. At around 23h00 the gale NE gave wave to a gale SW wind!! On Sunday morning we went down to the beach before sunrise to be met by huge swells and incredibly strong SW wind. Windguru was correct about the 4 m swell and wave periods over 15 seconds that it predicted!! Despite this we braved the elements and tried in the reasonably sheltered Vidal Bay. Just before sunrise Quentin van der Berg went tight with a really good fish that ate a CID foil bullet no 2 glow spoon, literally as the spoon was still sinking. The fish peeled braid of his reel but unfortunately Quentin experienced an inexplicable snap-off shortly thereafter. With me not capitalizing on the big fish that I hooked the Saturday morning, Quentin’s fish would have no doubt swiped up nearly all of the prizes if he could have just landed it! What a big disappointment for losing the competition winning fish!

 

At around 09h00 we decided to call things to an end due to the extreme weather conditions and had the prize giving. The following chaps won prizes:

Clint Antill: Heaviest fish caught and released - R500 gift voucher sponsored by Basil Manning Fishing Equipment

Clint Antill: Heaviest bag of fish caught and released – 300 m spool of 20 lbs Gator Braid sponsored by The Kingfisher

Jonathan Hooper: Most fish caught and released - R350 gift voucher sponsored by Basil Manning Fishing Equipment

Quentin van der Berg (through lucky-draw): R200 gift voucher sponsored by Basil Manning Fishing Equipment

Clint Antill: ORI tagging kit voucher sponsored by Stuart Dunlop (from ORI) to the most up and coming angler during the weekend

Steve Farrer (through lucky-draw): braid finger glove and fishing scarf sponsored by The Kingfisher

 

In conclusion, despite the very poor weather and sea conditions, we spun for very long hours day and night. But we also had time for some socialising next to the braai fires forging new friendships and sharing our passion for the game of spinning in what must be one of the most beautiful and pristine spinning destinations along the South African coastline. We will be back!

Some photos to follow soon in a separate post!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 14, 2015, 02:15:48 PM
Winning wave garrick
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 14, 2015, 02:16:48 PM
Me presenting the first prize
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 14, 2015, 02:18:01 PM
Spinning on Vidal ledge
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 14, 2015, 02:18:54 PM
Braai time!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Debbie on October 14, 2015, 03:06:20 PM
 :+ cred:

great report  (clap) (clap) (clap)

, pity about the weather.

Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Lofty on October 14, 2015, 04:51:36 PM
 :win: :envy thanks for sharing... :clwn
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Willie on October 15, 2015, 02:14:18 PM
Great report  :cgrts:  on the 400th fish tagged and released.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 24, 2015, 11:17:59 AM
Super happy with this rare capture this afternoon from the beach along upper KZN south coast. 53 cm forklength oxeye tarpon (Megalops cyprinoides) with estimated weight of 2.05 kg. Which makes it a really good specimen for this species for our waters.  It ate a CID green glow couta casting no 2 spoon on my Assassin Sierra 11 ft rod and Shimano Stradic 5000FJ reel spooled with 25 lb (PE1.5) of the new Gosen casting braid. Jesse Schubach of The Kingfisher suggested that I try the Mustad Tarpon (C68SNP-DT) 4/0 hooks on my spoons. Just fitted the hook on this spoon yesterday. Very appropriate that my first fish with these new hooks is of the Tarpon species! This beautiful specimen was tagged and release.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: REEFMAN on October 24, 2015, 12:09:17 PM
Wow, that's an unusual catch... haven't seen one of those in Yonks.
 (clap)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Visenvryheid on November 01, 2015, 08:47:17 AM
"Very appropriate that my first fish with these new hooks is of the   Tarpon species! This beautiful specimen was tagged and release."

Very appropriate..You should enter the lottery this week, well done !
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on November 01, 2015, 11:01:30 AM
"Very appropriate that my first fish with these new hooks is of the   Tarpon species! This beautiful specimen was tagged and release."

Very appropriate..You should enter the lottery this week, well done !

Hahaha Thank You! Those hooks are really serving me well so far! Had 6 strikes on my spoons and plugs this week with the new hooks and I landed all six. Oxeye Tarpon and 5 shad in the 40 - 45 cm size class.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on November 01, 2015, 11:04:03 AM
The 6/0 Mustad Tarpon hook on a 1.5 oz GT Icecream flatface plug.  45 cm shad - tagged and released.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on November 09, 2015, 10:13:11 AM
I caught this 54 cm forklength Springer this morning on the mackerel colour CID slimbait. Not a big specimen, but nevertheless nice to see how it aggressively smashed the slimbait on the surface followed by some aerial acrobatics. My first springer as well.  Tagged and released this specimen.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Debbie on November 09, 2015, 10:39:43 AM
 (clap) (clap) nice one
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: colin on November 09, 2015, 11:24:45 AM
 :cgrts: great catch. :toppie:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on November 10, 2015, 08:39:37 AM
CID slimbait is cooking at the moment. I got this 55 cm forklength shad on the mackerel colour this morning early. Tagged and released this feisty specimen.  Then things quieted down and after a lengthy period of trying with the slimbait I switched to the clear-blue CID shiverstick to see if added casting distance might induce a bite. Went tight on my first cast with a good fish, but unfortunately the hook pulled after a few seconds! Nothing beats this lure action before work!!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Plugger on November 10, 2015, 11:28:02 AM
Nice work Riekert ! Do you change the trebles on your CIDs ? Looking forward to our Christmas shut down to get some time on the beach.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on November 10, 2015, 01:29:52 PM
Nice work Riekert ! Do you change the trebles on your CIDs ? Looking forward to our Christmas shut down to get some time on the beach.

Thank you! Yes I use inline singles on the slimbait. 2/0 decoy front and 3/0 decoys middle and back hooks.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on November 11, 2015, 07:29:53 PM
I find a slightly smaller hook (2/0) at the front of the slimbait works better than the two larger (3/0) hooks situated in the middle or the back. If you use a 3/0 also at the front, it seems to entangle more often with your leader during the cast, when the slimbait tumbles. Remains a tough lure to cast.

By the way, a 60 g version of the slimbait will be available soon. Cannot wait to lay my hands on one! Bigger lure, bigger noise and hopefully bigger fish!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on November 11, 2015, 07:34:30 PM
By the way, the new Chase no 6 spoon has come out very recently! And the new spoon has already accounted for some good fish! I witnessed on Tuesday a 71 cm Natal snoek being captured on it next to me, by none other than Kyle Abbott, the cricket player!!

I will be getting my first batch of Chase no 6 spoons on the 17th of this month, in time for some serious testing at Cape Vidal on the 23rd/24th!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on November 11, 2015, 08:30:12 PM
50 g Chase no 6 spoons
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Plugger on November 12, 2015, 12:25:29 PM
Thanks Riekert, I have been meaning to try a plastic drinking straw on the leader above the lure to see if that will prevent the leader from tangling up with the hooks. I may have to find a way of crimping it to stop it sliding back up the line on  the cast.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Zak-e-Boy on November 13, 2015, 08:33:18 AM
Plugger, interesting idea you have with the straw, do you know anyone who has actually tried this ? I should imagine that it would
seriously affect the action of a lure or a spoon for that matter. Let us know the outcome of your experiment. Like flying a kite the tumble of a lite lure can be controlled, to a certain degree, by adjusting the length or diameter (weight) of your floro leader, when fishing with braid. If your lure or spoon is being caught up on your leader, on the retrieve, it is most likely due to slack line, possible caused by wave action or a shore dump if you are fishing off the beach, which I presume you are. If you are allowing a spoon to sink before retrieving this could also be the cause of the problem. When letting your spoon sink keep tension on your line and slowly wind in a bit of line until you think or feel that the spoon has settled, this will assist with the hook not snagging on your leader.
Just what I found has worked for me over many, many years of throwing spoons,... might not work for everyone.   
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Lofty on November 13, 2015, 09:12:03 AM
Thanks Riekert, I have been meaning to try a plastic drinking straw on the leader above the lure to see if that will prevent the leader from tangling up with the hooks. I may have to find a way of crimping it to stop it sliding back up the line on  the cast.
How about putting a small elastic band around the hook that's snagging and the lure,basically securing the hook up against the lure/spoon...you will still be able to hook the fish I think
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on November 13, 2015, 09:54:23 AM
On the slimbait I think the front hook sometimes snags on the leader when it tumbles during the cast, but not during the retrieve. Using a slightly smaller hook at the front solves the problem 95% for me I would say. I had one occassion that this happened this morning in many casts. The lighter the braid the poorer the slimbait casts. PE2 braid cast them definitely better than PE 1.5 braid. And I agree, a longer and hence heavier fluor leader indeed helps to stabilise the slimbait during the cast. Its the same concept when shooting an arrow or throwing a dart! You need something at the back to stabilise it. So the thinner the braid the less stability there is.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on November 21, 2015, 04:42:10 PM
This red Head Zombie Z'Minnow 17.5 cm (33 g) floating stickbait has bus shad or garrick written all over it. And it casts really well with very little tumbling.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on November 21, 2015, 04:53:12 PM
On the inside - sliding weights that gives the stability during casting.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Plugger on November 21, 2015, 06:02:19 PM
Looks good Riekert, a CID Slimbait lookalike ?
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on November 21, 2015, 06:07:56 PM
Looks good Riekert, a CID Slimbait lookalike ?

Yes, similar concept, although when you put the two next to each other there are shape differences. The CID slimbait is, as it names suggest, a bit slimmer than the Z'Minnow. I casted with both in calm conditions on Friday morning. The Z'Minnow casts further. 
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on November 21, 2015, 06:24:57 PM
The CID slimbait has three rolling balls that gives it's stability during casting. The Z'Minnow has two sliding weight cylinder system. This appears to work really well during casting.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Plugger on November 21, 2015, 07:40:44 PM
I guess I'll have to add a couple to the tackle bag .
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 05, 2015, 12:40:54 PM
Some good fun on my Assassin Sierra with good sized shad. They were all over the slimbaits and shiversticks. Landed six of these size fish. Kept 2 for the braai. 

Was good to have action on my Sierra before I say goodbye to my companion for a while. On Monday Brandon will take it for converting to KR concept!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Fishersteve on December 05, 2015, 07:42:43 PM
Nice fish braai  Steenie  :-)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 07, 2015, 05:24:56 PM
OK- done! Just handed my Assassin Sierra over to Fishatic at Lanseria airport this afternoon for the long-awaited KR concept conversion! Was nice to have a beer with you at the same time Brandon!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: fishatic on December 07, 2015, 05:41:27 PM
Was nice to meet you too.
Thank you for the beer & chat!
Will keep you posted on your rod's progress.

B
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 07, 2015, 05:47:53 PM
Was nice to meet you too.
Thank you for the beer & chat!
Will keep you posted on your rod's progress.

B

I will be "all ears"!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: REEFMAN on December 07, 2015, 07:31:04 PM
OK- done! Just handed my Assassin Sierra over to Fishatic at Lanseria airport this afternoon for the long-awaited KR concept conversion! Was nice to have a beer with you at the same time Brandon!

Didn't the Sierra have that stupid little Microguide on the stripping guide? Steenie... prepare to be blown away with what guides can do to a braid spinning setup! You're gonna be gobsmacked at how smooth and far that rod will cast without that Microguide...
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 10, 2015, 09:24:13 PM
Snoek double-up this morning on the pink glow couta casting no 2 spoon fitted with a Mustad Tarpon 4/0 hook. My Assassin Sierra is in for a guide replacement (upgrade) and my backup Amia x-heavy rod (1 - 2.5 oz) is clearly eager to please me! Shimano Stradic 5000 reel spooled with PE1.5 Gosen casting braid completed the setup. Nice dinner!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Poenskop on December 11, 2015, 08:12:08 AM
Awesome catch!! :win:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Prego on December 11, 2015, 09:47:22 AM
Great fishing Steenie. Very well done
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Plugger on December 11, 2015, 01:31:02 PM
Geez Riekert you're driving me crazy! I'm down at the beach cottage now but doing some maintenance not fishing. The water is crystal clear and I was watching two rays chasing each other around the shallow reef in front of the house. Still looking for my first Snoek off the beach. Well done on those two.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Plugger on December 11, 2015, 02:19:56 PM
This is what the water looks like,with Polaroids each reef is clear.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 11, 2015, 09:57:59 PM
Number 3 this morning. Plugger all happens in that half hour before sunrise with snoek it seems. When the sun is up its as quiet as a graveyard! And even with that in mind it took some thinking to get this one specimen to bite! Medium speed retrieve with short stints of retrieve as fast as my Stradic could handle! It smashed the spoon in one of those fast stints.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 11, 2015, 10:00:38 PM
Sorry for the broken neck. But I was out on a reef and had to subdue the fish quickly...
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Plugger on December 12, 2015, 08:13:21 AM
 Nice work Riekert I'm definitely going to have to put in more fishing time. Shutting down on Friday and going to the cottage for a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 13, 2015, 12:34:15 PM
Something new for the stickbait fans. The bigger CID slimbait is now available. At 22 cm long and 60 g heavy they are much bigger than the original 30 g lures. I will see this week how these big guns cast. The 30 g ones are notoriously difficult lures to cast, so perhaps the 60 g version will overcome some of this limitation. Nice thing is they come out fitted with Rockpoint inline hooks and not those horrible trebles!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 13, 2015, 12:35:43 PM
Pre-fitted with inline hooks.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 13, 2015, 02:10:59 PM
60 g vs 30 g
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: GT on December 15, 2015, 10:25:37 PM
What did those babies cost  Riekert ?
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 16, 2015, 11:15:45 AM
What did those babies cost  Riekert ?

The 60 g ones are R200 a piece, but comes fitted with high quality Rockpoint inline hooks and good splitrings
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 23, 2015, 06:18:00 PM
Man oh man! I got my Assassin Sierra back from Fishatic today with Fuji KR concept guides fitted. It looks damn good, it feels damn good! Tomorrow morning is testing time!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: colin on December 23, 2015, 06:41:52 PM
[quote author=Steenie Man oh man! I got my Assassin Sierra back from Fishatic today with Fuji KR concept guides fitted. It looks damn good, it feels damn good! Tomorrow morning is testing time!

Hope you are blown away , have seen so many compliments :bow: on his craftsmanship . :toppie:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: REEFMAN on December 23, 2015, 09:11:40 PM
Let us know how it goes Riekert .i somehow think you're going to be suitably impressed with the radically improved castability of the rod.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: basil on December 26, 2015, 06:30:16 PM
Man oh man! I got my Assassin Sierra back from Fishatic today with Fuji KR concept guides fitted. It looks damn good, it feels damn good! Tomorrow morning is testing time!


How do the new kr concepts compare to the microwaves  ?
Have you had time to test the 60 gm CID slimbaits.   
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 26, 2015, 06:50:17 PM
Man oh man! I got my Assassin Sierra back from Fishatic today with Fuji KR concept guides fitted. It looks damn good, it feels damn good! Tomorrow morning is testing time!


How do the new kr concepts compare to the microwaves  ?
Have you had time to test the 60 gm CID slimbaits.

Due to all the wind I only had one chance sofar to cast my Sierra with the KR concept guides in conditions far from ideal for casting. Definitely a much smoother and quieter casting experience with KR concept. But I cannot comment on casting distance yet.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 29, 2015, 09:34:29 AM
Brandon AKA Fishatic in action this morning on KZN northcoast with me. Was so nice to meet the KR concept master and to spin together. My Assassin Sierra with KR concept guides is now an absolute beast of a spinning rod. Casting this morning with my PE1.5 Gosen casting braid and Sunline Super PE (PE2,5) braid leader of 4 - 5 m and 1.5 oz couta casting and Chase spoons was pure awesomeness!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: GT on December 30, 2015, 07:58:05 AM
Hi Riekert


Great to see you enjoying the rod. Has the distance in your cast improved ?
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 30, 2015, 05:33:07 PM
Hi Riekert


Great to see you enjoying the rod. Has the distance in your cast improved ?

The casting experience is much smoother and consistent. I find it less effort as well.  I have not noted a marked improvement in casting distance on my Sierra. I am also not surprised by this, Brandon and I have discussed this at length before I took the rod to him. He mentioned that the improvement might not be nearly as much as on the Amia, for example. The Sierra is a seriously well designed rod, even with the microwave guides. Barry Wareham knows his onions! BUT: I now throw my spoons on PE1.5 casting braid, with the added safety of a braid leader in place, at LEAST as far as previously without a braid leader. So I have more abrasion resistance in place if I hook a big fish, and I am protecting my expensive casting braid much better.  I can even consider going down to PE1.2 casting braid in future now. For the snoek spinnerman this could be hugely advantageous, because the braid leader offers protection if you would hook a blacktip kingie etc. in the process.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Vandit on December 30, 2015, 06:44:35 PM
The distance is definitely increased, but its difficult to perceive the difference without measuring it.

Have a nice before and after field casting:

- Sierra HMGS 11'
- Shimano Sustain 5000
-  21lb Sufix Performance Pro 8
- Ranged using a Bushnell laser range finder
- 10 Casts using a Couta Casting #2 after some warm-up casts

             Microwave             KR           
Min:          110m               120m
Mean:       120m               125m
Max:         125m               130m

You can see the distribution is a bit better, especially on the low end or when you miss-time it.

I still want to go do the same for a Couta Casting #1 with the KR guides (have already for the MW guides) and will post a formal thread with the results.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 30, 2015, 07:06:58 PM
The distance is definitely increased, but its difficult to perceive the difference without measuring it.

Have a nice before and after field casting:

- Sierra HMGS 11'
- Shimano Sustain 5000
-  21lb Sufix Performance Pro 8
- Ranged using a Bushnell laser range finder
- 10 Casts using a Couta Casting #2 after some warm-up casts

             Microwave             KR           
Min:          110m               120m
Mean:       120m               125m
Max:         125m               130m

You can see the distribution is a bit better, especially on the low end or when you miss-time it.

I still want to go do the same for a Couta Casting #1 with the KR guides (have already for the MW guides) and will post a formal thread with the results.

Wow valuable info Vandit!! I did 6 hours of spinning yesterday and can confirm that it took less effort to stay consistent! Hitting the right zone shot for shot!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: fishatic on December 30, 2015, 11:06:56 PM
Consistently better.
And easier.
The minimum distances are telling.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 31, 2015, 07:23:06 AM
Consistently better.
And easier.
The minimum distances are telling.

I agree 100%. Experienced it again this morning in windy conditions on the beach.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 31, 2015, 05:54:27 PM
Really happy with how the new CID popper casts. It travels a mile without tumbling. Tried it for the first time this morning in quite breezy conditions. And it kicks out a lot of action. I find it very easy to bloop. Its less bulky than the equivalent Halco Roosta popper and casts better in my opinion.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on January 30, 2016, 10:38:29 AM
After more than a month of casting my 11 ft Assassin Sierra Heavy spinning rod with the KR concept guides that Fishatic (Brandon) has put on for me, I can say without any doubt that I am extremely happy with the new system.

The new system really enables me to have extremely good casting distance consistency. It is a smooth and silent casting experience that allows exceptional casting distance with my PE1.5 Gosen casting braid that I am using on my Shimano Stradic 5000 spinning reel.

But the biggest advantage I find is that I am using the system with a braid leader now. Getting these phenomenal casting distances, and consistency, with a braid leader in place is extremely reassuring for when you hook into a big fish on tricky ledges. And I find that it really prolongs the lifespan of the front-end of my thin casting braid really well.

I have tried several braid leaders but have finally settled on JDB 50 lb 8-weave braid (PE4) of which I use a 5 m length tied to my PE1.5 casting braid with a PR knot. At the front of the braid leader I have the usual section of 1 m fluorocarbon (0.60 mm) tied on with a FG knot, with the knot hanging outside of the rod tip guide.

The PR knot is really solid and I have played a 5-6 kg natal snoek on it yesterday in a hard battle to keep it away from rocks. I played the fish right onto a ledge about 3 m away from me. It was a simple matter of having to go and pick it up, but I had to wait for a last wave, which subsequently broke right on the fish dislodging the spoon in the process! I picked the fish up far out, so I am clearly hitting the right strike zones with my casting and my PR knot is solid!

There is no turning back now with this new setup! I love it!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on January 30, 2016, 10:42:50 AM
Got this 46 cm GT the other day long before sunrise on a pink glow couta casting no 2 spoon. Not big, but feisty as only they come!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Kent on January 30, 2016, 11:34:03 AM
 :win: :clfoto: Lekker Riekert..
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: allsorts on January 30, 2016, 11:51:23 AM
I really enjoy this thread!  Thanks Riekert!
 
I'm thinking of getting my 10' Lesath rebuilt with K Guides - will need to discuss with Brandon. 


I've been also using braid casting leaders this season and they really are the bomb - main braid life is extended and landing fish is much simplified.  I've found that there is also no need for any casting finger protection, even throwing 100g plugs as hard as I can.   I do still need to master the FG knot though... 
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on January 30, 2016, 01:30:02 PM
I really enjoy this thread!  Thanks Riekert!
 
I'm thinking of getting my 10' Lesath rebuilt with K Guides - will need to discuss with Brandon. 


I've been also using braid casting leaders this season and they really are the bomb - main braid life is extended and landing fish is much simplified.  I've found that there is also no need for any casting finger protection, even throwing 100g plugs as hard as I can.   I do still need to master the FG knot though...

Absolutely true on all counts. No braid finger glove and the lifespan of the casting braid is hugely improved! I use a very easy way of tying the FG knot. Will post the link in a moment.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on January 30, 2016, 01:33:59 PM
I have a very easy way of tying the FG knot and it is immensely strong. See the link below for a video of the method:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pjzUb5QRKuk&itct=CB4QpDAYAiITCJq11qrs1ccCFUYOFgodi2QFETIHcmVsYXRlZEi__oCk5_n_juEB


Trick is to keep the braid tight while doing the knot. Typically I thread the braid through the rod guides and put the rod and reel down on level ground. Then with my foot gently on top of the rod just above the reel (and with the rod facing away from me)to prevent the rod from moving, I bite onto the braid with my teeth to keep it tight by putting slight tension on rod tip.

Then it is just a matter of looping the fluorocarbon 24 - 30 times around the braid as shown in the video. After every loop gently pull the fluorocarbon tight between your two hands to "lock" each braid coil that forms around the leader into place.

 Lock the knot, tighten it and finish it off as shown in the video.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on January 30, 2016, 01:46:45 PM
I really struggled to tie the FG knot between the casting braid and the braid leader. I have tried various ways of tying it, but the frustration levels grew. So I went to The Kingfisher where Jesse Schubach taught me how to tie the PR knot, which I find fantastic for this purpose. The FG knot works like a charm for braid to fluorocarbon connections for me, but the PR knot works much better for the braid leader connection in my case.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: allsorts on January 30, 2016, 02:36:24 PM
I find the reversed Albright is all I need for braid leader to FC leader - it's super quick and even if not quite 100% I found it very reliable, especially using heavy braid.  To attach braid leader I used to stitch but if you have to re-rig that's not an option so I use this knot suggested by Varivas - the figure 8 in the thick braid seems enough to stop slipping.  I tighten hard so that the mainline braid wraps behind the figure 8 change colour.  I certainly wouldn't recommend this setup for serious jigging and popping but for normal use it seems to work well.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: jrahme on February 14, 2016, 07:18:06 AM
Steenie :cgrts:
Such an imformative thread. i have learnt so much and i love the pics. its post like this that keep me online. :resp:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on February 14, 2016, 05:46:00 PM
Steenie :cgrts:
Such an imformative thread. i have learnt so much and i love the pics. its post like this that keep me online. :resp:

I am so glad you find it informative and share my passion. I have had so little time for spinning last 4 weeks due to work and really poor sea conditions. Tomorrow I am going for a session at St Lucia (leaving Durban at 03h00) en route to Pongola. Come hell or high water!!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: jball7204 on February 16, 2016, 05:28:57 PM
Any luck Steenie?
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on February 16, 2016, 05:58:05 PM
Any luck Steenie?

Not on Monday morning. Northerly wind was howling and lots of sea grass in water. Lots of baitfish and birds diving behind the backline though. Will possibly give it a go again tomorrow morning early.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: jball7204 on February 16, 2016, 06:12:17 PM
Ja, been a helluva windy and weedy summer so far (Weekends mostly!!!). I've been away for weekends where I haven't even wet a line. Best of luck...
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Haroldg on February 18, 2016, 09:54:01 AM
I really struggled to tie the FG knot between the casting braid and the braid leader. I have tried various ways of tying it, but the frustration levels grew. So I went to The Kingfisher where Jesse Schubach taught me how to tie the PR knot, which I find fantastic for this purpose. The FG knot works like a charm for braid to fluorocarbon connections for me, but the PR knot works much better for the braid leader connection in my case.


Have to agree with you on this one Riekert. Braid mainline to braid leader using the FG not that simple as braid to fluoro...Are you using a bobbin for the PR version you're using or the manual way?
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on February 22, 2016, 04:21:07 PM
I really struggled to tie the FG knot between the casting braid and the braid leader. I have tried various ways of tying it, but the frustration levels grew. So I went to The Kingfisher where Jesse Schubach taught me how to tie the PR knot, which I find fantastic for this purpose. The FG knot works like a charm for braid to fluorocarbon connections for me, but the PR knot works much better for the braid leader connection in my case.

Have to agree with you on this one Riekert. Braid mainline to braid leader using the FG not that simple as braid to fluoro...Are you using a bobbin for the PR version you're using or the manual way?

I have made my own home-made "bobbin". It works fine, but I am actually too embarrassed to show it! Hahahaha!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Haroldg on February 22, 2016, 05:22:03 PM
Ok - I'll let you off the hook but I'm not sure whether the others interested are going to let you get away with this - especially with comments like that....
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on February 22, 2016, 05:34:26 PM
Ok - I'll let you off the hook but I'm not sure whether the others interested are going to let you get away with this - especially with comments like that....

Hahahaha!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: jrahme on February 22, 2016, 05:55:03 PM
Steenie,
i respect ur opinion so i want u to advise me please. my set up is the following; poseidon hmg ultra light with a penn pursuit 2 reel.
i was supplied by mias in woodmead . they put mono line on for me with a 4 metre fluoro leader. i battled to cast through the eyes with the long leader so i shortened it to 1 metre and cast much better with the join outside the eye. i,m casting about 60/70 metres with spoons and gt icecreams needle nose etc. still learning dont laugh lol.
when i was in durbs i went to kingfisher to buy a couple of lures and he advised me to switch to braid and all the flsh stuff. i,m a bit nervous and maybe i should just keep trying with what i got. he said i will cast much further but all the talk of finger cuts and wind knots are making me swerve a bit.
what ya tink?

Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on February 22, 2016, 06:45:19 PM
Steenie,
i respect ur opinion so i want u to advise me please. my set up is the following; poseidon hmg ultra light with a penn pursuit 2 reel.
i was supplied by mias in woodmead . they put mono line on for me with a 4 metre fluoro leader. i battled to cast through the eyes with the long leader so i shortened it to 1 metre and cast much better with the join outside the eye. i,m casting about 60/70 metres with spoons and gt icecreams needle nose etc. still learning dont laugh lol.
when i was in durbs i went to kingfisher to buy a couple of lures and he advised me to switch to braid and all the flsh stuff. i,m a bit nervous and maybe i should just keep trying with what i got. he said i will cast much further but all the talk of finger cuts and wind knots are making me swerve a bit.
what ya tink?

Hi there, I am not familiar with the rod and reel you are using, so I cannot comment on the suitability of your outfit to change to braid. But in the long run you really want to go over to braid as your lure carrier. Once you have sorted out any windknot niggles it is a new world that will open up for you. No turning back! Believe me!! Good luck!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: jrahme on February 22, 2016, 06:58:33 PM
thanks cuz :bow: :rck" :rck" :clwn
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Jaybennie on February 22, 2016, 08:46:57 PM
Hi Jrahme, the Poseidon ultra light is rated 1 to 3 oz cast weight, but I find it loads better on the heavy end, and you would get better distance with 2.5 to 3oz lures! It will make you tired when spinning for a long time! It is an awesome rod, and I use it when scratching for Bronze Bream etc in the Transkei, my favourite rod for this! The 45gram / 1.5 oz lures most spin fisherman are using nowadays won't load the rod properly, and will reduce your distance with these lures!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: jrahme on February 22, 2016, 08:59:05 PM
mr. jaybennie


thank u for the info. i will try that. do u think i should load braid. using mono at moment. :tkx:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Jaybennie on February 23, 2016, 06:08:32 AM
I prefer braid, you fit more on your reel, more sensitive when fighting a fish, because there is no stretch, less resistance when casting! However, it is pricey, and you might have to learn new knots! Make sure your leader knot is outside the rod eyes. You should be able to get a decent distance with the mono and the correct weight lure, so I would try it first and then decide! If you enjoy spinning, I would recommend getting a lighter setup later on, like a 11ft Assassin Amia, paired with a 5000 size reel. I would keep the Poseidon though, great rod, and awesome for scratching!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on February 23, 2016, 06:40:32 AM
I prefer braid, you fit more on your reel, more sensitive when fighting a fish, because there is no stretch, less resistance when casting! However, it is pricey, and you might have to learn new knots! Make sure your leader knot is outside the rod eyes. You should be able to get a decent distance with the mono and the correct weight lure, so I would try it first and then decide! If you enjoy spinning, I would recommend getting a lighter setup later on, like a 11ft Assassin Amia, paired with a 5000 size reel. I would keep the Poseidon though, great rod, and awesome for scratching!

Great advice! I agree, first see if you really enjoy spinning before considering the braid route. Braid spinning in itself is a big learning curve and toothing problems are common. I really struggled in the beginning with wind knots and the new knots I had to learn. But now all of that hardship is forgotten.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Kent on February 23, 2016, 08:01:57 AM
 :-) ..Taken from the KingFisher web site...


"The HMG series consists of nine models from the 10′ 6”, 36 T Spin to the 14′ “Staffie” 40T, these rods are fitted with Fuji reel seats and Pacific Bay Stainless Steel Zirconia ceramic guides"
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: fishatic on February 23, 2016, 08:12:30 AM
J,

The Rod and reel will throw a country mile, little heavier than what most folks are using, but will do the job well.
What mono did they spool you up with? 20lb/0.40mm at a guess?
Braid of around 0.25mm dia will give you a BS of around 25-30lb.
Mono of the same dia will throw just as far, but will only be around 8lb in BS, not exactly suitable.
Most likely you are spoiled with 20lb mono - will limit your cast distance dramatically.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: jrahme on February 23, 2016, 10:48:52 AM
THANKS guys for taking the time to advize me.
i have just checked my line . its the kingfisher giant abrasion 0.35mm\9.1kg-20pound org. 600m
got about half on the reel. not even sure if it is mono line? sounds good lololol.


i was spinning for a week in umdloti. every day sunrise and sunset. enjoyed every minute. i just want to catch some pan fish.
i caught a shell and 2 bluebottles.
i love it and i cant wait for my next trip. maybe next week. :fshn: :cnfzd
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: jrahme on February 23, 2016, 10:56:20 AM
Oh and i have a 1 metre berkley trilene monofilament leader. the average weight of my spoons about 55g, which sounds a bit light. sry duh
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: jrahme on February 23, 2016, 10:59:18 AM
30Lb \0.22 diam. leader
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Kent on February 23, 2016, 11:15:17 AM
Oh and i have a 1 metre berkley trilene monofilament leader. the average weight of my spoons about 55g, which sounds a bit light. sry duh
:corrct: Just under 2 ounces..its perfect....also depends what you wanna catch...
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Kent on February 23, 2016, 11:16:44 AM
 :fshn: ..I throw from half ounce to absolute max 2,5 ounce......my favourite range is between the 1oz and 2oz
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: jrahme on February 23, 2016, 11:26:04 AM
THANKS Kent


i just want to catch a nice shad or something i can eat. i love eating good fresh fish. on the braai,in the pan, or in the oven with a few johnny walkers lol. please check if my line is ok for casting.


shot guys
you all different class.
regards
joe
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: jrahme on February 23, 2016, 11:31:37 AM
if you check out my other feed u will see pics of my lures/spoons etc. not much but quality


http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=20976.msg358824#msg358824 (http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=20976.msg358824#msg358824)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: REEFMAN on February 23, 2016, 01:31:22 PM
Hi Jrahme, the Poseidon ultra light is rated 1 to 3 oz cast weight, but I find it loads better on the heavy end, and you would get better distance with 2.5 to 3oz lures! It will make you tired when spinning for a long time! It is an awesome rod, and I use it when scratching for Bronze Bream etc in the Transkei, my favourite rod for this! The 45gram / 1.5 oz lures most spin fisherman are using nowadays won't load the rod properly, and will reduce your distance with these lures!

Joe, listen to this man Jaybennie!

The Poseidon Ultra light HMG will not load with anything under 2.5oz. If you're throwing 55g, you're not doing the rod justice and you won't get any distance. Put a 3oz lure on that rod and then see it fly! There is NO rod out there that can cover the whole range from 1 oz to 4oz. It's either or.

If you want to throw 1-2oz lures properly with decent distance, you need a different rod... like the Assassin Amia.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: fishatic on February 23, 2016, 01:44:14 PM
Pfft.
My 11' DC throws 3/4 to 4...
Just need to adjust the technique.
And have realistic expectations of how far you can throw the specific lure.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Kent on February 23, 2016, 01:46:50 PM
Hi Jrahme, the Poseidon ultra light is rated 1 to 3 oz cast weight, but I find it loads better on the heavy end, and you would get better distance with 2.5 to 3oz lures! It will make you tired when spinning for a long time! It is an awesome rod, and I use it when scratching for Bronze Bream etc in the Transkei, my favourite rod for this! The 45gram / 1.5 oz lures most spin fisherman are using nowadays won't load the rod properly, and will reduce your distance with these lures!

Joe, listen to this man Jaybennie!

The Poseidon Ultra light HMG will not load with anything under 2.5oz. If you're throwing 55g, you're not doing the rod justice and you won't get any distance. Put a 3oz lure on that rod and then see it fly! There is NO rod out there that can cover the whole range from 1 oz to 4oz. It's either or.

If you want to throw 1-2oz lures properly with decent distance, you need a different rod... like the Assassin Amia.
:hnthnt: Here you go...1 to 3,5 oz.....
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Kent on February 23, 2016, 01:50:31 PM
 :fshn: ..I have a 110H and all the years I fished with it , I threw 1oz spoons with ease...the only thing I found with this rod the tip was not sensitive enough for a 1oz to swim properly...and I VERY rarely threw anything over 3oz....
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: jrahme on February 23, 2016, 03:24:12 PM
GUYS, don,t fight. i'm loving the attention..
i will experiment with all. lets see if i improve. PRACTICE makes perfect!! ACTUALLY perfect practice makes perfect..lol cos if u oing it wrong u will practice it wrong. AM I RIGHT?


luv u guys
mwaaaah
JOEBOY :craz:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: jrahme on February 23, 2016, 03:29:04 PM
IS my line ok???  the kingfisher giant abrasion 0.35 9,1kg /20lb and 1 metre berkley trilene monofilament leader.

what is that line mono or what?
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: jrahme on February 23, 2016, 03:30:53 PM
sorry a 1 metre berkly trilene monofilament leader
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: REEFMAN on February 23, 2016, 05:07:45 PM
Pfft.
My 11' DC throws 3/4 to 4...
:fshn: ..I have a 110H and all the years I fished with it , I threw 1oz spoons with ease..

Yoh! But you boys are gifted anglers!  w;k

Just remember that Joe is a beginner guys.
 
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: REEFMAN on February 23, 2016, 05:10:29 PM
Joe, Mono is nylon is 'gut' is monofilament. Generally, all standard mainlines and leaders are Mono(filament). Some leaders are Fluorocarbon.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: fishatic on February 23, 2016, 06:01:24 PM
Reefz, don't take me so seriously, you should know me better...
Hardly gifted. Just want to see what is possible for a one a "Rod to the beach" sorta setup...
But do I listen to myself and only take the 11'? Please, don't be daft, I need a caddy.
And in so doing limit my effectiveness, continuously changing rods, or making my walk back a pain in the back.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: REEFMAN on February 23, 2016, 06:05:57 PM
Reefz, don't take me so seriously, you should know me better...


There was a wink after my post dude. Just yankin some chains...
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: jrahme on February 23, 2016, 06:21:30 PM
Thanks for the heads up Reefie. I"m more
thick then i thought. So then i have a 20 pound mono main line
with a 1 metre 30 pound mono leader with a ball bearing swivel with a clip fir my lures. Is that good enough for now? Lolol
 :nuts: :geet :yipee: :frid
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on February 23, 2016, 06:23:12 PM
sorry a 1 metre berkly trilene monofilament leader

Clearly you have a brilliant rod. I would follow the advice to first stick to the monofilament on your reel. Get yourselve a 3 oz plug or two and try for kingfish when you spin the Umdloti area again!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: jrahme on February 23, 2016, 06:24:05 PM
How do i get some ticks under my name?
My wife wants to know why i"m online all day?lolol
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on February 23, 2016, 06:25:16 PM
Use a swivel on the end of your leader and a good quality splitring on the plug. I use Swannel kwik clips instead of the swivel - splitring connection, but lets not go there now!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on February 23, 2016, 06:27:01 PM
How do i get some ticks under my name?
My wife wants to know why i"m online all day?lolol

Wine and dine her after your spinning session in a restaurant on the Umdloti beachfront!!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: jrahme on February 23, 2016, 06:28:43 PM
Shot Steenie. Me and you gonna fish together 1 day.
xx
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: MIKE PIKE on February 23, 2016, 08:55:01 PM
jrahme , i think you need to pop in at one of the socials we have , mindblowing info , tackle and techniques to be seen ,spinning and with multipliers..  :-)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: jrahme on February 23, 2016, 10:25:57 PM
thanks uncle MIKE
i will make a concerted effort.
thank you.
 :corrct: :resp: :resp:
call me JOE
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Kent on February 24, 2016, 10:01:11 AM
Pfft.
My 11' DC throws 3/4 to 4...
:fshn: ..I have a 110H and all the years I fished with it , I threw 1oz spoons with ease..

Yoh! But you boys are gifted anglers!  w;k

Just remember that Joe is a beginner guys.
:hehe:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Kent on February 24, 2016, 10:01:59 AM
Use a swivel on the end of your leader and a good quality splitring on the plug. I use Swannel kwik clips instead of the swivel - splitring connection, but lets not go there now!
:hnthnt:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on March 01, 2016, 11:39:20 AM
Decent 40 cm forklength Bonnie on spoon this morning. Was nice to get a lekker bite again after few spinning sessions and bad weather the last few weeks.  Tackle: Assassin Sierra 11 ft heavy spinning rod (with Fuji KR concept guides) with Shimano Stradic 5000 FJ reel loaded with PE 1.5 Gosen casting braid with 5m PE 4 (50 lb) JDB 8x braid leader. At the front a 1 m section of 0.60 mm Siglon fluorocarbon. Spoon: Sea Iron Supersprat (45 g) on medium-fast retrieve.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: sardinella on March 01, 2016, 11:54:32 AM
lekker rev!
well done
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: jrahme on March 01, 2016, 12:42:16 PM
world class Steenie
i love ur set up.
how far did you cast for it?
shot brother :resp:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on March 01, 2016, 06:51:56 PM
world class Steenie
i love ur set up.
how far did you cast for it?
shot brother :resp:

Thanks! Casting distance in excess of 100 m.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: MIKE PIKE on March 01, 2016, 06:54:11 PM
 (clap) ... great stuff Riekert.. :win:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Fishersteve on March 01, 2016, 07:05:51 PM
Excellent well done.  (clap)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on March 01, 2016, 07:07:17 PM
I am really really impressed with the Sea Iron Supersprat spoon. Of all the spoons in my arsenal it casts the best of all.  And it has a really strong thumping action in water at various retrieve speeds from slow to fast. Only started using them about a month ago!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: jrahme on March 01, 2016, 09:23:53 PM
i will get a couple when i get there. Do u know the closest tackle shop to Umdloti? where did u catch that bonnie Steenie? :envy
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on March 02, 2016, 06:16:24 AM
i will get a couple when i get there. Do u know the closest tackle shop to Umdloti? where did u catch that bonnie Steenie? :envy

Closest shop is the Umhlanga branch of Basil Manning. Ask for Alistair Christie. He is hugely knowledgable and have many years of experience. I got the bonnie from rocks at Umhlanga.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Half-Pint on March 02, 2016, 06:48:42 AM
Nice catch Riekert
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: jrahme on March 02, 2016, 08:35:58 AM
Steens ,Thanks Boet :tkx: :tkx:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: carll on March 03, 2016, 06:09:15 AM
Well done Riekert  !   (clap)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Plugger on March 03, 2016, 11:04:04 AM
Nice one Riekert, that must have been an epic battle!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on March 20, 2016, 09:37:04 PM
Are there other spinnermen that also have some experience with the Sea Iron Supersprat spoon?

This spoon impresses me immensely. It casts exceptionally well, probably the best of all the bullet-type spoons that I use. It also has massive action in the water, even at very fast retrieve speed. It does not climb out of the water easily at very fast retrieve speed. I believe it is its asymmetrical form that is responsible for its superior action, unlike any other traditional symmetrical bullet spoon. It has a prominent keel shape on the bottom-half, but the top-half of the spoon is much flatter. I think this flat surface allows the spoon to push a lot of water during the retrieve, hence its powerful action. A v-back/bullet spoon hybrid really! Casts like a bullet spoon, but has much more action (like a v-back spoon).

It comes in 22 g, 45 g and 60 g weights and the whole range impresses me. The 60 g version is a beast that casts like a dream with really powerful action. I wonder how the Garrick will respond to it?

So far I have got bites with them on nearly every occasion. Nothing impressive as yet, but it has resulted in small kingies, needlescale queenfish, wave Garrick, huge garfish, a big bonito and a couple of shad already. I am sure it is only a matter of time before I can add natal snoek to the list.

I have just changed the huge splitrings to smaller ones and also changed the hooks to suit my preference.

What do you guys think of these spoons?   
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on March 20, 2016, 09:41:54 PM
Oh yes, I forgot to mention that they are made of marine grade stainless steel and not white metal or lead. No need to shine these spoons up. Always bright and shiny!

Price = around R100 each.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Kent on March 21, 2016, 02:52:27 PM
 w;k ..Riekert you must send me your postal address and when my tin arrives next week i will send you two of my spoons......
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on March 21, 2016, 06:32:14 PM
w;k ..Riekert you must send me your postal address and when my tin arrives next week i will send you two of my spoons......

Kent I will certainly take you up on your kind offer! Would love to try your spoons this winter for the garrick! My Sierra can throw anything from 20 g - 60 g. Many thanks!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Kent on March 22, 2016, 07:49:01 AM
w;k ..Riekert you must send me your postal address and when my tin arrives next week i will send you two of my spoons......

Kent I will certainly take you up on your kind offer! Would love to try your spoons this winter for the garrick! My Sierra can throw anything from 20 g - 60 g. Many thanks!
:corrct: :win:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: jrahme on March 23, 2016, 05:43:27 PM
Steenie that spoon looks great. where can i get 1? :FST:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Plugger on March 23, 2016, 07:28:04 PM
was at Basil manning this afternoon and the 45 gram one is sold out. Lots of the others.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: jrahme on March 23, 2016, 08:07:48 PM
thanks PLUGGIE :yipee:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: garrickhunter on April 26, 2016, 11:28:23 AM
@ steenie. Really enjoy reading your posts.very informative.admire your dedication to the sport.Just got the sea sprat.Great casting and very good action.I think the garrick are going to love them.What do you think of the Rapala long cast x rap.Saw one in pearl white that had garrick and kob written all over it.Would like to get some feedback before i get one.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on April 29, 2016, 11:48:28 AM
@ steenie. Really enjoy reading your posts.very informative.admire your dedication to the sport.Just got the sea sprat.Great casting and very good action.I think the garrick are going to love them.What do you think of the Rapala long cast x rap.Saw one in pearl white that had garrick and kob written all over it.Would like to get some feedback before i get one.

Hi there, I don't personally own one of the Rapala long cast x-rap stick baits. I did borrow a friend's Rapala xxx-Rap casting stickbait recently to test and it casts really well and got a fabulous action. Not sure if that is the stick bait you are referring to? In general I don't think you can go wrong with Rapala lures!

I have been very quiet this year on the thread! Lots of work, few spinning days with favorable weather. Dismal success for me so far in 2016!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: PatrickH on April 30, 2016, 05:03:08 PM
Hi Steenie.
Thanks for all the useful info.
Just one comment, in the picture of the supersprat,the hook seems to be parallel to the water surface when spinning.
Is it not preferable to add an additional split ring so the hook faces up ?








Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: PatrickH on April 30, 2016, 05:12:03 PM
Hi Garrickhunter.
I bought one for spinning for yellowtail on the boat.Rapala max rap.
My problem is that it doesn't throw as far as the metal spoons and often ends up short of the school.
I have heard a few people have however caught tail on them.
I have just bought the Daiwa D minnow SW which apparently throws 20 - 25 % further but I have yet to test it.
Looks very similar but slightly heavier and only 2\3 of the maxrap price
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on April 30, 2016, 05:18:02 PM
Hi Steenie.
Thanks for all the useful info.
Just one comment, in the picture of the supersprat,the hook seems to be parallel to the water surface when spinning.
Is it not preferable to add an additional split ring so the hook faces up ?

Hi, the hook point faces up during the retrieve on the Supersprat.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: PatrickH on April 30, 2016, 09:16:56 PM
 :corrct: Thanks.Must be angle of photo. Must say the s\s shine is awesome.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: garrickhunter on May 01, 2016, 08:26:55 PM
@ steenie thanks for the reply
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: garrickhunter on May 01, 2016, 08:30:02 PM
@homehazel  thanks will check it out
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: bos suzi on May 09, 2016, 11:23:14 PM
Some really nice results guys
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on May 19, 2016, 09:22:10 PM
Always nice when your spoon gets hit hard in near darkness long before sunrise. This Wolf Herring is a new species for me on spoon in the sea. It ate the CID Couta Casting no 2 pink glow spoon. Shined the spoon up slightly with my head lamp to give it a nice dull glow before casting it out into the darkness.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on May 19, 2016, 09:27:23 PM
This young blacktip kingy hit the CID pink glow couta casting no 2 spoon at least 100 m out on a fast retrieve before sunrise. It was like hitting a brick wall. Irrespective of their size, kingies always impress my hugely for their tenacity! After landing them one is always left surprised that it was not a bigger fish on the other end of the line!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: garrickhunter on May 20, 2016, 08:54:09 AM
@steenie i recognize the area you fishing.also my hunting grounds.been away overseas for a couple of weeks.any sign of snoek,
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Plugger on May 20, 2016, 08:57:25 AM
Nice Riekert, how's the slime from the Wolfherring !
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Kent on May 20, 2016, 09:07:19 AM
 :win: ..Well done Riekert....
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: PatrickH on May 20, 2016, 09:27:29 AM
Well done! What a perfect way to start the day
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on May 20, 2016, 09:40:18 AM
Nice Riekert, how's the slime from the Wolfherring !

Silky!!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on May 20, 2016, 09:41:32 AM
@steenie i recognize the area you fishing.also my hunting grounds.been away overseas for a couple of weeks.any sign of snoek,

No snoek from the side there for quite a while as far as I know. From the fishing ski's yes.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on July 02, 2016, 10:21:06 AM
After more than 2 hours of spinning from before sunrise with no bites, I finally got the bite I was looking for at 08h15 (rather late than never!). Natal snoek (Queen Mackerel) on 1.5 oz red-head CID couta casting no 2 spoon. Tackle used was the Assassin Sierra 11ft heavy with Shimano Stradic 5000FJ reel spooled with PE1.5 Gosen casting braid for those long range casting that snoek often requires. A 5 m section of 35 lb braid leader and 1 m section of 0.60 mm fluorocarbon leader gave the necessary protection at the front-end. Spoon connected directly to a Swannel kwik clip at the front end.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Plugger on July 02, 2016, 12:14:00 PM
Another nice one Riekert! I thrashed the water for 3 hours solid at Ifafa last Sunday without a touch.One day...... I'm also a Swanel fan.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: PatrickH on July 02, 2016, 02:04:16 PM
Well done !  Your perseverance paid off.

Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on July 13, 2016, 08:44:57 PM
Decided to "dust off" the stickbaits for the 2nd half of the year in anticipation of the 60 - 70 cm shad that we do get from time to time from the Durban North beaches. First outing in ages with the 175 mm (30 g) CID slimbait resulted in 3 shad. Not the bus shad yet, but a lovely dinner nevertheless. And it is awesome fun to get bites on the surface with these lures!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: jrahme on July 13, 2016, 08:56:08 PM
world class steenie :resp: :Like:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: REEFMAN on July 14, 2016, 06:44:19 AM
 (clap) Nice Steenie! Have you tried those Daiwa SW Minnows yet? I have found they cast 30% better/further than the CID stickbaits.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on July 14, 2016, 01:38:59 PM
Not the biggest pair of natal snoek, but dinner is going to be good tonight. Caught them on the pink glow couta casting no 2 spoon before the most amazing sunrise ever. Shore-based game fishing at its best and lekker dinner as well. Priceless!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on July 14, 2016, 01:40:16 PM
(clap) Nice Steenie! Have you tried those Daiwa SW Minnows yet? I have found they cast 30% better/further than the CID stickbaits.

Thank you. Nope I have not tried them yet. But I have heard that they cast well.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Fishersteve on July 14, 2016, 10:16:46 PM
 (clap) Good stuff mate, well done
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: PatrickH on July 15, 2016, 01:50:04 PM
Great way to start your Friday ! Well done  (clap)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 15, 2016, 08:50:52 PM
Had an upgrade in my quest for snoek this week. Changed my Gosen casting braid on my Shimano Stradic 5000 reel from PE1.5 to PE1.2. Had the first cast test this morning. Casting distance is phenomenal and there is certainly less drag in water meaning that I feel spoon action in rod tip even better than before.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 15, 2016, 08:53:13 PM
The braid leader that I am using with the PE1.2 Gosen casting braid joined via a FG knot.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 15, 2016, 08:58:11 PM
Coning looks spoton, but had to add a thin spacing washer to get it right.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: PatrickH on August 15, 2016, 10:21:04 PM
Your mainline braid is about the same diameter as the braid leader.
Should give you great distance along with the added strength of the leader.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 16, 2016, 04:25:51 AM
Your mainline braid is about the same diameter as the braid leader.
Should give you great distance along with the added strength of the leader.

I tell you this whole braid diameter - PE rating story is difficult to understand. On the spools it states that both have the same diameter, but how can a PE1.2 and PE2.5 have the same diamterer??? The JDB feels a bit thicker than the Gosen. It is definitely also a coarser braid and should have better abrasion resistance. But I agree, it is thin braid with high breaking strain and Rob and Ewan Kyle has used the PE2.5 as braid leaders for a long time already.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: fishatic on August 16, 2016, 07:06:36 AM
JDB use accurate PE ratings but the dia's are fantasies...
Its around 0.26mm.

Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 17, 2016, 05:09:46 PM
JDB use accurate PE ratings but the dia's are fantasies...
Its around 0.26mm.

Very useful table Brandon thank you!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: fishatic on August 17, 2016, 05:54:12 PM
It is useful, if incomplete.
It's a work in progress..
Some numbers still missing - not enough research as yet.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on September 25, 2016, 05:04:19 PM
Did some spinning of the beaches of St Lucia on Thursday and Friday morning. Got 13 shad on spoon and the 45g CID popper. Getting then on popper is quite fun! But they were not big and there were no garrick or snoek around. Structure was also really excellent for paddletail spinning. So I tried hard with them in areas where the shad left them alone. Casting them out onto sandbanks and retrieving into deep gulleys. But no luck.

I am so happy with my new PE1.2 Gosen casting braid with the PE2.5 JDB 8-weave braid leader at the front end.  That JDB simply don't give up! Hours and hours of casting at max force, no snap-offs, no fraying where my casting finger grips it or where it hangs from the rod tip guide. Robust system that gives me phenomenal casting distance on a wide range of lures. No guide wraps as long as you don't go too long on the braid leader. It looks like a 3.5 m section is perfect tied with a FG knot to my PE1.2 Gosen.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on September 25, 2016, 07:25:54 PM
The 11ft Assassin Sierra heavy rod, used with very thin PE1.2 braid with KR concept guides, which unlocks the effective use of braid leaders, puts this setup in a category of it's own in my opinion.  Absolutely seamless casting for hours on end of a huge variety of lures spanning the 1 - 2 oz spectrum. From paddletails to poppers. Not to mention the spoons, plugs and stickbaits. I doubt if there is any setup out there that can match the efficiency and versatility of the Sierra - KR concept combination. It was a huge learning curve to get the setup to perform as I needed it to, especially in terms of the correct lenghth and PE rating braid leader to use. The odd guide wraps was a gremlin really tough to beat, even with the KR concept guides. Nothing can handle the physics going on when that braid leader with thin casting braid behind it peels of the reel at full speed during the cast if the balance is incorrect. The correct length and thickness of braid leader, relative to the properties of your casting braid, is absolutely critical!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 01, 2016, 01:12:12 PM
The value of a weekly "pull test":

I have gotten into the habit of doing a "pull test" on my spinning setup at least once or twice a week, depending on how many spinning sessions I do that week.

What I do is to tighten the drag on my spinning reel to the setting that I use when casting. It is tight enough so that the spool does not slip during casting of 2 oz spoons and plugs, and also not when I make the initial hookup with a fish. If it is a good fish the drag setting will allow the fish to pull me flat and allow it to take at least a bit of line until I can respond by losing the drag a bit more for the ensuing fight. On my Stradic 5000 reel with carbontex drag washers this is about 3.5 anti-clockwise rotations of the drag knob from the fully tightened position. Once set I don't fiddle with the drag during a spinning session, unless I am lucky enough to hook into a good fish! That has been quite a while ago now...I always loosen my drag after a spinning session though.

With the drag set at this "tight" position and the reel rigged onto my spinning rod with 3.5 m braid leader, 1 - 1.5 m fluorocarbon leader and Swannel kwik clip at the front end I then attach a spoon rigged with hook and attach it to a heavy metal drain cover at home. The next step is to start walking briskly away from the drain cover so that the pressure causes braid to peel of the reel.

In this way the integrity of my fluorocarbon leader to braid leader FG knot and braid leader to casting braid FG knot, as well as the first few meters of casting braid below the braid leader, gets a proper test. If all holds during the test it gives me great confidence that nothing will fail if I would hook into a really good fish during my next spinning session.

More importantly the pull test also gives me information about the smoothness of my drag. Not long ago my drag was still perfect when I did the pull test. But two sessions later (not getting any bites), when I did the next pull test, the drag was horribly sticky. Imagine hooking into a big fish only to discover this nasty problem then! So I promptly took the drag washer stack apart, rinsed the carbontex washers in benzene and re-greased them with Kingfisher drag washer grease. Put the lot back together again and retook the pull test. Drag smooth again as a babies bottom!

I find the weekly "pull test" hugely valuable as part of my preparation for spinning sessions.

Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 29, 2016, 05:20:38 PM
On Thursday morning I visited an area where I have never been before. I wanted to do this the entire year so far, but the sea and weather conditions have been really bad each time that I ventured north.

I decided to walk the 6 – 7 km of beach between St Lucia Main Beach and First Rocks to the north. It is a long stretch of pure sandy beach until in the far distance you start to see the jagged rocky outcrops called First Rocks.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 29, 2016, 05:22:08 PM
I started the walk at around 05h45 on Thursday morning and there were lovely spinning structure on the way to First Rocks, so I tried many spots on route. About 2 km north of Main Beach there were very nice shallow sandbanks with a deepish gully on the land side of the bank with very deep water on the sea-side of it. I tried here with spoons for snoek. On one of my casts with a Chase no 5 spoon I got a solid bite that pulled me flat. I hooked into a good fish that shook its head like crazy before it dropped the spoon a few seconds later! That was the only bite I got the entire way to First Rocks.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 29, 2016, 05:23:10 PM
First Rocks itself is an impressive and beautiful spot. Nature at its best! The area appears to be sanded up quite a bit at present, but despite this the water was still nice and deep. I tried with spoons, paddletails and plugs, but no bites.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 29, 2016, 05:23:53 PM
The view back to St Lucia is spectacular. In the distance one can see the vegetated dunes at Maphelane. This is a perfect spot for some “Me-time”!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 29, 2016, 05:24:44 PM
On the way back from First Rocks to St Lucia I decided to throw only paddletails. This is still a lure that I need to get to grips with and this was a good opportunity, because the NE wind picked up and the sea was nice and foamy, with milk-coloured sandy water which appeared to be ideal hunting areas for cob. There were also the odd inshore gully, with sand banks behind them, which steadily filled up with water on the strong push tide.

I tried the 5 inch Chartreuse-pearl and Olive-pearl paddletails from McArthy on 1 oz Mad Mullet arrow-head jigheads. I used two retrieve styles – a slow steady retrieve without moving the rod tip and a slow steady retrieve while flicking the rod tip up from time to time to lift the jighead from the bottom and allowing it to sink again. I had no bites until about half-way back to St Lucia.

On one of my retrieves with the olive-pearl paddletail I got a solid pull as the jighead came of a sand bank into a shallowish gully with nice foamy water in it. But it was miss so I continued my retrieve and when the paddletail came into eyesight near the shore break I could see a cob (appeared to be about 70 cm in length) following it! Just to turn away from the lure at the last moment. The paddletail was pulled down into the bend of the hook, so clearly the cob pulled on the bottom part of it below where the hook sits. Does this happen quite often? Anyway that was the end of my morning session.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 29, 2016, 05:26:37 PM
Friday morning I decided to return to the spot where I hooked into a good fish on a Chase no 5 spoon. Early the morning the tide was still quite full and it was a deep wade to get through the gully onto the sandbank. And the swell at the front of the bank was quite big which made for uncomfortable spinning.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 29, 2016, 05:27:49 PM
But I braved the conditions and finally got a good bite, again on the Chase no 5 spoon. I connected up solidly and went tight with what felt like a good fish. There were a lot of head-shaking throughout the fight. I gradually back-tracked off the bank, through the gully, until I was standing on the beach from where I fought the fish to the side.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 29, 2016, 05:29:22 PM
It turned out to be a nice greenspot kingfish of 53 cm fork length, which I promptly tagged and released.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 29, 2016, 05:29:49 PM
The section of beach between St Lucia and First Rocks is really pristine and beautiful. There are few easily accessible and safe (It is all uninhabited dune forest as part of the Cape Vidal nature reserve behind you) spots like this left along the KZN coast for the serious land-based gamefish spinnerman. You might even bump into a leopard! All it takes is to start walking. I WILL be back!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 29, 2016, 05:33:02 PM
Reply #454 - Reply #462 forms part of one report-back.  :dunno:I don't know how to put all of this into one reply! Can one of the Admins maybe do it for me? :hnthnt:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: sardinella on October 30, 2016, 06:18:05 AM
Nice stretch of coast that, fhanks for the feedba k.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Seagate on November 16, 2016, 04:09:26 PM
Was at Vidal today. Got there at about 11. Northern Wind was howling! Spring low tide. Got onto the rocks and walked right to the point where the little pole is fixed. 2nd cast with Oron Candy Bullet #2 I was "vas". Nice little greenspot Kingy. I was soon joined by a couple of other guys. My neighbour also hooked up with 2. Couple casts later got a more or less 30cm Needlescale Queenie. Then it went quiet.
But a good, quick session of therapy. :vio
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on November 16, 2016, 04:20:32 PM
Was at Vidal today. Got there at about 11. Northern Wind was howling! Spring low tide. Got onto the rocks and walked righty to the point where the little pole is fixed. 2nd cast with Oron Candy Bullet #2 I was "vas". Nice little greenspot Kingy. I was soon joined by a couple of other guys. My neighbour also hooked up with 2. Couple casts later got a more or less 30cm Needlescale Queenie. Then it went quiet.
But a good, quick session of therapy. :vio

Great stuff! Thank you for the nice report. I am glad that those ledges are starting to come alive, because they have been sanded up badly for months! Is the water nice and deep in front of them again? Well done on your catch.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Seagate on November 16, 2016, 04:42:31 PM
I couldn't get out the front into the sea. Huge surf. Fished of that point in a Northern direction, parallel to the beach. From that pole the sam direction the boats would launch on their way out. Worked my spoon through that working water, parallel to the waves. Fast retrieve.
But yes, the bay looks deeper. Rocks are more exposed. Think from this last spring tide. Cuz this morning at 6 you could also see the waves washed over the sand into the lake at St Lucia Estuary Beach. But was gone by yhe time i got there. Just the trail where the water was flowing was still visible.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on November 16, 2016, 08:57:55 PM
I couldn't get out the front into the sea. Huge surf. Fished of that point in a Northern direction, parallel to the beach. From that pole the sam direction the boats would launch on their way out. Worked my spoon through that working water, parallel to the waves. Fast retrieve.
But yes, the bay looks deeper. Rocks are more exposed. Think from this last spring tide. Cuz this morning at 6 you could also see the waves washed over the sand into the lake at St Lucia Estuary Beach. But was gone by yhe time i got there. Just the trail where the water was flowing was still visible.

Thank you for the additional feedback.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: REEFMAN on November 17, 2016, 07:13:30 AM
Some brilliant info on your mission to First Rocks! Somehow missed them. Excellent stuff Steenie!  (clap) :+ cred:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on November 17, 2016, 07:32:05 AM
Some brilliant info on your mission to First Rocks! Somehow missed them. Excellent stuff Steenie!  (clap) :+ cred:

Glad it is useful! How do you guys compose a long report consisting of a number of photos and text inbetween them in a single reply? I did not know how to do this, so my report is unfortunately fragmented (replies 454 - 462).
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: John F on November 17, 2016, 07:39:25 AM
Glad it is useful! How do you guys compose a long report consisting of a number of photos and text inbetween them in a single reply? I did not know how to do this, so my report is unfortunately fragmented (replies 454 - 462).


http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=823.0 (http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=823.0)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on November 17, 2016, 02:11:20 PM
Glad it is useful! How do you guys compose a long report consisting of a number of photos and text inbetween them in a single reply? I did not know how to do this, so my report is unfortunately fragmented (replies 454 - 462).


[url]http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=823.0[/url] ([url]http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=823.0[/url])


Thank you very much!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: MIKE PIKE on November 17, 2016, 03:18:42 PM
 (clap) nice Steenie  , man i could walk that stretch right now without a rod and still be happy . :Like:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on November 17, 2016, 03:34:22 PM
(clap) nice Steenie  , man i could walk that stretch right now without a rod and still be happy . :Like:

I agree! I hope to do that walk again in less than 2 weeks time.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 01, 2016, 10:11:12 AM
Only one bite yesterday morning at Cape Vidal, but what a bite! My first bluefin kingfish. What a spectacular beautiful species and they fight really hard, peeling braid of reel at blistering speed. Glad for the JDB braid leader I used at the front of my 25 lb Gosen casting braid this morning, because the fish gave me horns in the bricks. Caught it on a 3/4 oz Kingfisher paddle pro jighead and 5" pearl-watermelon jerk shad. Was an absolute privilege to tag and release this stunning fish!

Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: CRANKMAN on December 01, 2016, 10:48:53 AM
Nice!
Congrat's  on a stunning catch and release.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: John F on December 01, 2016, 10:59:09 AM
(clap) well done!

Those blue spots are beautiful to see when lit up!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: REEFMAN on December 01, 2016, 11:02:14 AM
 (clap)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: philter on December 01, 2016, 11:05:28 AM
Nice one Steenie, what a beautiful fish     :win:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: peterblace on December 01, 2016, 11:14:43 AM
http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=20893.msg357425#msg357425 (http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=20893.msg357425#msg357425)

if I remember Prego mentioned that ORI came back to him and informed him that his fish was tagged in St. Lucia...so I will cast some lures soon in Santa Maria to search for your fish
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Prego on December 01, 2016, 01:01:50 PM
[url]http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=20893.msg357425#msg357425[/url] ([url]http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=20893.msg357425#msg357425[/url])

if I remember Prego mentioned that ORI came back to him and informed him that his fish was tagged in St. Lucia...so I will cast some lures soon in Santa Maria to search for your fish



Hahahaha for sure we will look for them again from the side in Santa Maria soon.

Well done Steenie. They seem to love the paddle tails.
Slow retrieve?
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: MIKE PIKE on December 01, 2016, 02:03:28 PM
 (clap) great catch Riekert  ,  :+ cred: for keeping this post running and updated with your catches  , very interesting .. :Like:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: dugong on December 01, 2016, 03:45:49 PM
Nice catch :rck" shad also love those :hnthnt: I went through a packet in about 20 mins once!! duh
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 01, 2016, 04:54:14 PM
[url]http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=20893.msg357425#msg357425[/url] ([url]http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=20893.msg357425#msg357425[/url])

if I remember Prego mentioned that ORI came back to him and informed him that his fish was tagged in St. Lucia...so I will cast some lures soon in Santa Maria to search for your fish


Brilliant! Keep me posted!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 01, 2016, 04:55:58 PM
[url]http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=20893.msg357425#msg357425[/url] ([url]http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=20893.msg357425#msg357425[/url])

if I remember Prego mentioned that ORI came back to him and informed him that his fish was tagged in St. Lucia...so I will cast some lures soon in Santa Maria to search for your fish



Hahahaha for sure we will look for them again from the side in Santa Maria soon.

Well done Steenie. They seem to love the paddle tails.
Slow retrieve?


Thank you! No, I caught it on a jerk shad, not paddletail. Quite a quick retrieve with twitches.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 01, 2016, 05:44:37 PM
Just an update for those venturing to St Lucia/Cape Vidal during December. The structure between St Lucia and Maphelane is really nice with deep water very close inshore. Just be aware there are huge sharks around and they come into knee-deep water. On Tuesday I saw 3 huge sharks in that stretch literally within meters from the shore. Looked like Zambesi sharks.

At Cape Vidal the ledges where the boats launch are finally starting to show again after being sanded up for months. In front of the ledges the water is really deep. This is where I got the Bluefin kingfish. I think the longer the ledges stay exposed the better the lure fishing will become!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 01, 2016, 05:47:18 PM
The view in front of Estuary Beach at St Lucia. One of the sharks I saw patrolled right on that dry sand bank on the fuller tide in knee deep water!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 01, 2016, 05:49:07 PM
The ledges at Vidal from which I got the Bluefin Kingfish. Just to the right of where the boats launch.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 01, 2016, 05:50:29 PM
Nice catch :rck" shad also love those :hnthnt: I went through a packet in about 20 mins once!! duh

Thank you! And yes, the shad loves those jerk shads!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Fishersteve on December 01, 2016, 07:16:40 PM
Great fish  (clap)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: carll on December 02, 2016, 05:30:02 PM
Well done mate ! finallyyyyyy you took my advice  😜
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 02, 2016, 05:40:31 PM
Well done mate ! finallyyyyyy you took my advice  😜

With great difficulty! These soft plastic "thingies' did not appeal to me when you love spoons! But that Bluefin kingfish converted me and I will certainly use them more often when the spoons don't deliver!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 02, 2016, 07:40:12 PM
It remains a "learning experience". This morning I threw popper, shiverstick, paddletail and jerkshad. No spoons! Wow the first spinning session ever that I did not touch a spoon!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 07, 2016, 01:56:44 PM
Its amazing what we spinnermen carry around with us, sometimes on walks that can be 10 - 14 km long!

Left-hand side (from top to bottom): Selection of soft plastics (paddletails and jerkshads), the heart of my bag namely my ORI tagging kit with some meat tenderizer (works well for bluebottle stings in my case), angling permit with a whole assortment of spare hooks, wire trace, splitrings, Swannel kwik clips etc.

Middle (from top to bottom): Braid leader and fluorocarbon leader tying kit, selection of jigheads and a few treble hooks, a wide array of 1 - 2 oz spoons.

Right-hand side from top to bottom: A variety of plugs and some diamond files for sharpening hooks, a variety of floating and sinking stick baits and a few poppers.

And the obvious things like cellphone, polarized sunglasses, headlamp, sunblock etc.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 07, 2016, 01:59:25 PM
I just bought one of these Assassin Spin Trek bags and must say that they are brilliant. I have never been as organized as now!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: MIKE PIKE on December 07, 2016, 02:12:06 PM
 (clap) Nice Riekert  , biggest issue is which lures to pack in, so the bag gets bigger and heavier as time goes by :cnfzd ... nice to see the rice in the plastic containers ..keeps the moisture at bay or if you forget the snacks as a last resort to kill the hunger pains .. :hyst:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 07, 2016, 02:20:33 PM
(clap) Nice Riekert  , biggest issue is which lures to pack in, so the bag gets bigger and heavier as time goes by :cnfzd ... nice to see the rice in the plastic containers ..keeps the moisture at bay or if you forget the snacks as a last resort to kill the hunger pains .. :hyst:

Hahahaha! I like your humor!!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: carll on December 08, 2016, 07:52:33 PM
That's a BIG upgrade from your previous bag ! 
There are so many great options for reusable bottle "Olof" in your new bag   :hehe: :hehe:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: carll on December 08, 2016, 07:54:48 PM
 :zipit:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 08, 2016, 08:35:19 PM
That's a BIG upgrade from your previous bag ! 
There are so many great options for reusable bottle "Olof" in your new bag   :hehe: :hehe:

Hahaha! Olof brings out bad things in me!!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Visenvryheid on December 09, 2016, 07:50:48 AM
The more I fish, the less lures I take with ;)
 :zipit:

haha If I was just allowed to take one on a desert island till the end of my days..it would be a hard choice between two. But I'd take the spoon as it'd feed me better than the surface lure which would be more fun..
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 12, 2016, 09:55:42 AM
Got this bus 65 cm forklength shad this morning on the CID slimbait in mackerel colour (not much paint left on this well-used lure I am afraid to say but it clearly still produce bites!).

Got it on my 11 ft Assassin Sierra Heavy with Shimano Stradic 5000 reel loaded with Gosen PE1.5 casting braid.

I lost another one earlier due to the hook pulling out in the shorebreak. So when this fish took the slimbait during a pause on the surface I hit it 5-6 times to try and get a solid hookset before the fish started to head shake too much and dive below the surface. And my inline single hooks were needle sharp!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: REEFMAN on December 12, 2016, 10:09:04 AM
Nice Riekert! I'm assuming it's not necessary to use a wire bite trace on that slimbait as it's long enough?
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Seagate on December 12, 2016, 10:15:47 AM
Congrats! Well done.
At St Lucia again?
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 12, 2016, 10:25:43 AM
Nice Riekert! I'm assuming it's not necessary to use a wire bite trace on that slimbait as it's long enough?

Thank you! Yes we don't use a bite trace on them. But I have heard of rare bite-offs on them.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 12, 2016, 10:26:52 AM
Congrats! Well done.
At St Lucia again?

Thank you! No lekker local, Durban North before work.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: REEFMAN on December 12, 2016, 10:53:40 AM
When you get tired of using that Slimbait, please get one of the Daiwa Minnows... you will see it casts 25% further than the Slimbaits. Also has a small rattle in it.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 12, 2016, 11:01:50 AM
When you get tired of using that Slimbait, please get one of the Daiwa Minnows... you will see it casts 25% further than the Slimbaits. Also has a small rattle in it.

Yebo, one of my mates use the D-minnows and he has had some good success on them this last week or two. But not a bus as I got this morning. I must say my Sierra with the KR concept guides throws the slimbait really well. Ample casting distance to get into the strike zone of these big shad. I also use the Zombie Z'minnows, which throw really well. I lost the first fish this morning on a z'minnow.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: hrogers on December 12, 2016, 11:08:23 AM
Nice one !! :shd:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: DROM MP on December 12, 2016, 03:43:09 PM
Excellent -  :envy
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: garrickhunter on December 12, 2016, 08:42:42 PM
good one there Steenie.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: GT on December 16, 2016, 10:14:32 PM
Lovely fish there Steenie. What type of retrieve were you using on that CID Slimstick ?
Any idea who stock those Daiwa Minnows here in Durban ?
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 16, 2016, 10:34:29 PM
Lovely fish there Steenie. What type of retrieve were you using on that CID Slimstick ?
Any idea who stock those Daiwa Minnows here in Durban ?

Thank you! I got it on the standard retrieve. Pause- long sweep - pause. It took the lure during a pause. My friend Mike Rodgers at the Kingfisher will be able to help you with the D'Minnows. But don't forget the Z'minnow! They are phenomenal casting lures. Contact me if you need more details on Z'minnows.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: REEFMAN on December 17, 2016, 11:32:58 AM
Basil Manning and Kingfisher both stock the Daiwa Minnows. Can order them online from Basil's.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Lofty on December 17, 2016, 05:56:13 PM
I can't seem to find any Daiwa lure.. :blush:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: REEFMAN on December 17, 2016, 08:37:46 PM
Hmmmm. Can't find them either?? Youll have to phone Kings, they will have them.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: GT on December 17, 2016, 08:42:16 PM
Thanks gents for all the info. Much appreciated
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: DownUnder on December 18, 2016, 11:31:20 AM
Loving this thread!
Great to read.

Keep it coming!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 18, 2016, 02:28:44 PM
Loving this thread!
Great to read.

Keep it coming!

Thank you, I am glad it's perceived as useful. It will always remain a learning experience for me, so I would love to keep the thread alive! Venturing north tomorrow for two days for work, but hope to do a session in the St Lucia area. I cannot stop dreaming of that bluefin kingie I got last month - I am hungry for another one!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 20, 2016, 02:11:20 PM
I am super impressed with these Zombie z'minnow floating stick baits. They really cast extremely well at just over 30 g weight. They also feature extremely durable coatings in some really exciting holographic colour designs.

Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Seagate on December 29, 2016, 01:27:37 PM
Hi Everyone

Just got back from Santa Maria, Moz. From the boats we had a great trip. Lots of Cuta, Dorries, Yellowfin,  Prodigal Son and even a Sailie on livies. But one of the highlights was a small 30-40kg blue Marlin on a McCarthy Paddle tail drop shot. Whilst drifting with mozzies in 25m water.

From shore a had a lot of fun but it wasn't fireworks. Had to work hard for the bites. Lots of casting.
Got all the fish just south of Hell's gate in the surf.
Couple of green spot kingies. They preferred Steenie's Chase No 5 spoons.
Got a LOT of Wave Garrick. Iron Candy Couta Spoons, 5inch Rip Tide drop shots and the Chase Spoons again.
And then I got a Blue Emperor on a 5inch Rip Tide Dropshot in opening night colour. New species for me on the artificials.
Best fishing was early mornings with a pushing tide. Low tide didn't deliver much and the afternoons were also quiet.

But another great trip overall. Santa Maria and especially Camp Carlos is a fisherman's dream.

Got my therapy session in.

Thight lines to everyone.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Seagate on December 29, 2016, 01:29:48 PM
Sorry,  here's the Emperor.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 29, 2016, 02:03:30 PM
Great report and well done on all the catches, especially that blue emperor!

Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: John F on December 29, 2016, 03:39:40 PM
Hi Everyone

Just got back from Santa Maria, Moz. From the boats we had a great trip. Lots of Cuta, Dorries, Yellowfin,  Prodigal Son and even a Sailie on livies. But one of the highlights was a small 30-40kg blue Marlin on a McCarthy Paddle tail drop shot. Whilst drifting with mozzies in 25m water.


 (clap) well done on some nice fishing

You should submit your billfish catches to the UA Billfish Hall of Fame  http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=21529.0 (http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=21529.0)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: carll on December 30, 2016, 07:36:57 AM
To Riekert,Well done my friend with your EXCEPTIONAL catch this morning ! Now everyone will be curious  :hehe: Sorry guys you must wait for Steenie's post  :-)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: jrahme on December 30, 2016, 08:03:30 AM
Arrrrgh cmon. Suspense killing me :dor: :yellow: :tgr: :krpr: :yft: :gt: :shd:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 30, 2016, 11:20:47 AM
To Riekert,Well done my friend with your EXCEPTIONAL catch this morning ! Now everyone will be curious  :hehe: Sorry guys you must wait for Steenie's post  :-)

Hahahaha! Thank you my friend!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 30, 2016, 11:22:37 AM
I had a dismall spinning experience for natal snoek from the side this year. My last snoek was caught in July and many thousands of casts after that have resulted in naught. So last night I told my wife that I just need to end 2016 with a proper snoek. So I got up at 03h00 and drove to one of my favorite deep water points and started casting from about half an hour before sunrise.

I started with the trusted CID couta casting no 2 spoon in pink glow. The first few casts I kept the spoon near the surface with no bites. On about the 5th cast I allowed the spoon to flutter down to the bottom in the 5 m + deep water column. Before the spoon hit the bottom it got snatched up by a proper fish before sunrise!

It felt like a REALLY big snoek initially. Not taking line, but some very strong head shaking. But as I gradually worked it closer to the side the fish changed its attitude and started peeling braid of the reel at full casting drag setting. It also started to go for every possible bit of reef outcrop it could find! I just held on as best as I could on my light spinning tackle, but despite this the fish still took line like crazy. This was no snoek for sure!

Finally I managed to get sight of the fish. What a magnificent sight - a yellowtail!! I finally landed the fish. Shore-based spinning for gamefish with light tackle at its very best. I will never forget 30 December 2016.

That was the only bite for the morning, but what a bite!

76 cm forklength (actual weight - 5 kg) yellowtail on 11 ft Assassin Sierra heavy spinning rod paired with Shimano Stradic 5000 FG reel loaded with PE1.5 Gosen casting braid with PE2.5 JDB 8-weave braid leader and a 0.60 mm fluorocarbon leader at the front.

Never give up - that magical bite WILL come!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Zberg on December 30, 2016, 11:31:44 AM
Awesome! Great way to end the year!  :yipee:
Love this thread, thanks for sharing Steenie!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Lofty on December 30, 2016, 11:32:56 AM
Well done on an awesome catch... (clap) Nice on the fire too,enjoy.. :clwn :udman:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: REEFMAN on December 30, 2016, 11:36:15 AM
Brilliant Riekert! Well done!

(Fixed your pics...)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 30, 2016, 12:05:24 PM
Well done on an awesome catch... (clap) Nice on the fire too,enjoy.. :clwn :udman:

Thank you!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Seagate on December 30, 2016, 12:38:43 PM
 (clap)
Congrats
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: SAfish on December 30, 2016, 02:27:42 PM
 (clap) Well done!!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: PatrickH on December 30, 2016, 05:27:23 PM
Well done on a great catch  (clap) (clap)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Fishersteve on December 30, 2016, 08:25:18 PM
Great catch, well done  (clap)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: MIKE PIKE on December 30, 2016, 08:41:52 PM
 :cgrts: great catch from the side .. :Like:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Waars_die_Vis on December 30, 2016, 10:09:12 PM
You are a legend.

I would like to learn more from you.

As it go's, every one has belief in what he is doing.

I am a bait man.

Others are livie's men.

You are a artificial man , and you have success.

Every one believes in his technique, because he has had success and that brings perseverance.

I would love to have success with lures etc.

I will keep on following your topic as I have done since I have come across it.

One day I will ask you more how to start  to build sucsess.

kEEP ON ON POSTING, THE DESIRE IS GROWING........................
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: garrickhunter on December 30, 2016, 10:28:05 PM
 Great catch Steenie. well done,pays to persevere
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 31, 2016, 06:46:22 AM
You are a legend.

I would like to learn more from you.

As it go's, every one has belief in what he is doing.

I am a bait man.

Others are livie's men.

You are a artificial man , and you have success.

Every one believes in his technique, because he has had success and that brings perseverance.

I would love to have success with lures etc.

I will keep on following your topic as I have done since I have come across it.

One day I will ask you more how to start  to build sucsess.

kEEP ON ON POSTING, THE DESIRE IS GROWING........................

You are most welcome. I used to be a bait fanatic, targeting white steenbras, galjoen etc. But once the lure bug bites, there is no turning back. Bait never comes into my mind anymore! One day I will return to my favorite hunting grounds at Struisbaai and come and catch cob on soft plastics on die Plaat and spin Die Las for shad and garrick! Maybe I can get a white steenbras to eat one of my lures!

I will gladly assist you on the journey to becoming a lure angler. Its a lovely learning experience and a life-long one at that!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: jrahme on December 31, 2016, 09:22:54 AM
You are the best Steenie :cgrts:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: DownUnder on December 31, 2016, 11:59:13 AM
And there it is.. fishing always gives the just reward for hard work..
Well done Steenie, inspirational stuff
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: GT on January 01, 2017, 09:11:44 AM
Congrats on a memorable catch. Wishing you many more in 2017. Could you kindly explain what " full casting drag setting " is ?


Best regards
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on January 01, 2017, 09:51:10 AM
Congrats on a memorable catch. Wishing you many more in 2017. Could you kindly explain what " full casting drag setting " is ?


Best regards

Thank you and same to you during 2017!

By full casting drag setting I mean the setting on my Stradic's drag whilst I cast. It is quite a tight setting ensuring that the braid do not slip of the spool a) when I cast up to 2 oz lures on my setup, and b) during the initial hookset when I do get a good bite. In my case that is 3 x 180 degree anti-clockwise turns of the drag knob from the fully tight position.

This is the same drag setting I do all my pull tests at home to make sure there are no weak links in the armour! So this is the drag setting I have full confidence in, tight enough to get a proper hookset, but still allowing a good fish to pull me flat and then take some line under pressure without the braid snapping or knots parting.

During a session I never fiddle with that drag setting. Only during a fight will I sometimes ease of a bit, by losening the drag a bit more by 1 x 180 degree anti-clockwise turn if I feel the pressure is a bit too much and I fear the hook might tear from the fishes mouth! I have not yet had the pleasure (or horror!) of tightening the drag to try and stop a really big fish!

So I have a technique (strategy) in place when it comes to the drag setting. It relies heavily on the drag being ultra smooth!! So I use carbontex drag washers, which I often clean with benzine and regrease with Kingfisher drag washer grease, whenever I feel the drag is getting a bit sticky during a pull test.

Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: DownUnder on January 01, 2017, 11:25:17 AM

During a session I never fiddle with that drag setting. Only during a fight will I sometimes ease of a bit, by losening the drag a bit more by 1 x 180 degree anti-clockwise turn if I feel the pressure is a bit too much and I fear the hook might tear from the fishes mouth! I have not yet had the pleasure (or horror!) of tightening the drag to try and stop a really big fish!

This has happened to me, only once thankfully, in 2005 fishing at Linene on what(I think) was a big GT, a big pink popper, horrible feeling watching hundreds of metres of line melting off your reel, tightening the drag more and more until eventually something gives.
Not nice.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on January 01, 2017, 12:15:17 PM

During a session I never fiddle with that drag setting. Only during a fight will I sometimes ease of a bit, by losening the drag a bit more by 1 x 180 degree anti-clockwise turn if I feel the pressure is a bit too much and I fear the hook might tear from the fishes mouth! I have not yet had the pleasure (or horror!) of tightening the drag to try and stop a really big fish!

This has happened to me, only once thankfully, in 2005 fishing at Linene on what(I think) was a big GT, a big pink popper, horrible feeling watching hundreds of metres of line melting off your reel, tightening the drag more and more until eventually something gives.
Not nice.

Nasty!!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: GT on January 01, 2017, 11:19:21 PM
Thank you so,very much Riekert for taking the time and posting such a detailed reply. Much appreciated.
Do you or any of our members know of any documented guidelines on DRAG SETTING ? Would appreciate feedback on both spinning reels and multipliers.


Thanks in advance
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: REEFMAN on January 02, 2017, 07:12:44 AM
GT, Check these out... may help?

http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=5889.0 (http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=5889.0)
http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=14775.0 (http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=14775.0)

Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on January 08, 2017, 07:58:37 PM
I am relieved that UA is BACK!!!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: REEFMAN on January 08, 2017, 08:00:26 PM
I am relieved that UA is BACK!!!
Me too!  :rotfl
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: MIKE PIKE on January 08, 2017, 08:06:30 PM
Me as well ,  :rck" so Riekert , whats been on the end of your line over the last couple of days , your reports are like an addiction .. (clap) :hyst: .
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on January 08, 2017, 09:52:19 PM
Me as well ,  :rck" so Riekert , whats been on the end of your line over the last couple of days , your reports are like an addiction .. (clap) :hyst: .

Unfortunately zero!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: MIKE PIKE on January 08, 2017, 09:57:35 PM
 :cnfzd oh well thats how it goes , seems like the fish over the festive season all had lockjaw at varied places up and down the coastline . Thx
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: GT on January 09, 2017, 11:40:29 PM
GT, Check these out... may help?

[url]http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=5889.0[/url] ([url]http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=5889.0[/url])
[url]http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=14775.0[/url] ([url]http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=14775.0[/url])



Thanks Reefs


You are truly a legend
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on January 24, 2017, 09:38:31 PM
Sort of second prize for this morning after annoyingly losing a big snoek at my feet earlier on spoon. But I will take these greenspot kingies anyday. Dropshot fishing is still quite new to me, so I regard every capture on soft plastics as a success story along the path of learning. Fish tagged and released.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: DownUnder on January 25, 2017, 01:43:13 AM
very well done sir!

 :sreel:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: colin on January 25, 2017, 06:07:59 AM
 :cgrts:  great to see it released .  :toppie:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: dugong on January 25, 2017, 08:56:58 AM
Nice!! (clap) Where did you get it??
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Nemo on January 30, 2017, 04:35:06 PM
 :happ:

excellent thread! very informative! made some notes of what lures(spoons) to get. need to find a good place to try them out near me  :-)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on February 27, 2017, 09:33:09 PM
A new species for me on lure! This feisty longfin kingfish had the guts to aggressively smash and eat a 2 oz GT icecream needlenose plug.

The long fins on this specimen are very spectacular. It gave a very good fight. I tagged and released this beautiful fish.

Tackle used was an 11 ft Assassin Sierra heavy spinning rod with a Shimano Stradic 5000 reel spooled with 8-weave Grinder braid (PE2 - 30 lbs) and a JDB casting braid surf leader (PE4 - 50 lbs) at the front.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: MIKE PIKE on February 27, 2017, 09:49:57 PM
 (clap) great stuff Riekert .
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on February 27, 2017, 09:56:05 PM
(clap) great stuff Riekert .

Thank you!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: MIKE PIKE on February 27, 2017, 09:59:52 PM
 :Like: how do you find that Grinder Braid , ? , see its relatively new and decently priced as well compared to others .
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Poenskop on February 28, 2017, 07:19:10 AM
Brilliant catch! (clap)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: colin on February 28, 2017, 07:33:14 AM
 :cgrts: what a beauty  :bow: :toppie:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: REEFMAN on February 28, 2017, 07:57:07 AM
VERY nice Steenie!  (clap)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: L Hooker on February 28, 2017, 08:26:48 AM
Great catch congrats
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: sardinella on February 28, 2017, 09:23:16 AM
Beautiful fish, well done
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: carll on February 28, 2017, 09:27:24 PM
You are the best Steenie :cgrts:

One day we return to Struisbaai Plaat !
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Bloks on February 28, 2017, 11:44:32 PM
That steenbras is my DREAM FISH. what a beauty!!!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on February 28, 2017, 11:52:32 PM
You are the best Steenie :cgrts:

One day we return to Struisbaai Plaat !

Yes buddy, and we will get them on lure!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on February 28, 2017, 11:55:11 PM
:Like: how do you find that Grinder Braid , ? , see its relatively new and decently priced as well compared to others .

My first impressions are really good! It casts like a dream and make very good FG knots.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Poenskop on March 01, 2017, 08:50:25 AM
You are the best Steenie :cgrts:

One day we return to Struisbaai Plaat !

Yes buddy, and we will get them on lure!


I mate of mine caught one of roughly the same size on a clone.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: sebatiaanc on March 01, 2017, 06:19:47 PM
Well done Riekert. :fshn:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Spickerish on March 02, 2017, 11:07:02 AM
Haven't read this thread in a while and boy was it fun catching up!! Really good reading with plenty of info and some really nice catches!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on March 02, 2017, 08:58:03 PM
Haven't read this thread in a while and boy was it fun catching up!! Really good reading with plenty of info and some really nice catches!

I am glad the thread is useful!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on March 02, 2017, 08:59:06 PM
Always great to get a bite to properly wake one up for work. It beats coffee any day!

This nice fat shad chowed a green glow couta casting no 2 spoon early this morning.

Tackle used: Assassin Sierra heavy 11 ft rod with Shimano Twinpower 5000 reel spooled with PE1.5 (25 lbs) Gosen casting braid.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: REEFMAN on March 03, 2017, 07:02:32 AM
Twinpower now!!  :shk Stepping up in the world there Steenie!! Great reel! Has the Stradic been retired?
 :+ cred: for the continued updates!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Odysseus on March 03, 2017, 12:11:57 PM
That's an interesting story. Sometimes we resign ourselves to punishing hard work without thinking out the box - this story just illustrates the point! Well done... PS-seen a few giant Steenies tailing on Hermanus plaat recently! w;k 
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on March 03, 2017, 08:22:28 PM
Twinpower now!!  :shk Stepping up in the world there Steenie!! Great reel! Has the Stradic been retired?
 :+ cred: for the continued updates!

My beloved Stradic 5000 is alive and kicking! It is waiting for Fishatic to complete his magic on my Assassin Spin that he is currently converting for me to KR concept for soft plastics. My Stradic will go on that rod with PE2 braid, for some better chance with the kingies amongst the bricks and the twinpower on the Sierra with PE1.5 braid predominantly for snoek and from the beaches.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on March 22, 2017, 08:13:43 PM
I tried the new CID Magic Missile no 2 (45 g) spoon in pink glow very early this morning for the first time.

I felt somewhat sorry for my trusted pink glow CID couta casting no 2 spoon that was left sulking in the bag when I arrived on the rocks to allow testing of the new design. I don't think it anticipated this kind of betrayal when we left home this morning!

When to use which of the two designs is a good question?

The new CID magic missile spoon casts phenomenally well. Action wise it is hard for me to say how it differs from the CID couta casting no 2 spoon on a quick retrieve. Maybe not a lot of difference. But in a deep water column I guess the magic missile should produce a stronger fluttering action when allowed to drop due to its different shape.

It took me only a few casts with the new CID magic missile spoon this morning early to get the bite I was looking for. A nice Natal Snoek that will become dinner tomorrow evening!

Tackle used was my Assassin Sierra heavy rod with Shimano Twinpower 5000 reel spooled with 25 lb Gosen Casting braid.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on March 22, 2017, 08:16:48 PM
Couta casting no 2 vs magic missile no 2 in pink glow.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on March 22, 2017, 08:19:04 PM
Couta casting no 2 at the bottom in three photos. Magic missile shown from various angles.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Plugger on March 22, 2017, 08:34:23 PM
Nice Snoek Riekert .
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: CRANKMAN on March 23, 2017, 08:06:14 AM
Nice one.  :Like:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: REEFMAN on March 23, 2017, 08:30:25 AM
Riekert the masjien!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: colin on March 24, 2017, 06:27:30 AM
 :cgrts: :toppie:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: VISCHAL on March 28, 2017, 02:43:27 PM
Awesome catches, well done.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Dewald Posthumus on March 28, 2017, 03:05:40 PM
Hi Riekert,


I have a question regarding your hooks, I see you use the 'out of the box' hook setup on your spoons in the photographs. Any thoughts on using an inline hook to have the hook trailing 'tip-up' behind the lure, much the like the single hook setup on a larger stick type lure?











Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on March 29, 2017, 06:04:05 PM
Hi Riekert,


I have a question regarding your hooks, I see you use the 'out of the box' hook setup on your spoons in the photographs. Any thoughts on using an inline hook to have the hook trailing 'tip-up' behind the lure, much the like the single hook setup on a larger stick type lure?

Hi, with both the CID couta casting no 2 spoon, and the new CID magic missile no 2 spoon, I replace the hooks after purchase with a Mustad Tarpon 4/0 hook. Their hook points last much longer than the Daiichi hooks when spinning often on course sandy beaches. Their hook points also handle re-sharpening better than the Daiichi's.

The design of the magic missile spoon is such that the hook point faces up anyway when the spoon is retrieved. I prefer the sideways facing hook on the couta-casting no 2 though. Barry Wareham is convinced that you get more hookups with the hook facing sideways, because according to him the fish presses the spoon flat in its mouth, which then gives you a hook point facing up or down when setting the hook in the fishes mouth.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Dewald Posthumus on March 30, 2017, 10:13:27 AM
Thanks for the reply Riekert.


Bought shiny new inline hooks and split rings for the couta casting spoons, obviously your response will keep them off my spoons as the standard setup is good enough.


In Gauteng we spend a lot of time contemplating, planning and re-engineering the most basic of things. Just because we can't fish! Nothing beats experience and time on the water.


Thank you again for sharing your experiences with us, it certainly makes for great reading and looking forward to our two weeks down at the coast every year!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on April 14, 2017, 03:37:23 PM
What a neat conversion of my Assassin Spin rod by Fishatic! And what a mean casting machine this has now turn out into.  Slightly shorter at 10 ft (was 11 ft), slightly shorter butt section (easier to handle rod for dropshotting for which I want to use this rod predominantly), much better Fuji reel seat than what the rod came out with and of course the budget guides got replaced by Fuji KR concept guides. And nicely shaped foam hand grips. The rod has great backbone and a nice slow action. Using this rod now with PE2 (30 lb) grinder braid and PE4 (50 lb) braid leader, predominantly for kingies. Nice to have a proper second setup alongside my Sierra with PE1.5 braid that is my preferred setup for spoons.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on April 14, 2017, 03:39:44 PM
Some more pics of the Spin.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: MIKE PIKE on April 14, 2017, 04:01:33 PM
 (clap) very nice , Fishattic does some outstanding work on customizing rods ... :Like:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: sebatiaanc on April 14, 2017, 04:19:07 PM
Nice one. :fshn:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: carll on April 14, 2017, 06:07:26 PM
I am happy you took my advice (after you had my Spin with the KR Concept Conversion in your hands)  to covert your Assassin spin with Fuji KR concept guides  :hehe:  With the KR Concept guide system the Assassin Spin is a casting machine and handle Soft plastics easier than the Assassin Sierra
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on April 14, 2017, 07:40:21 PM
I am happy you took my advice (after you had my Spin with the KR Concept Conversion in your hands)  to covert your Assassin spin with Fuji KR concept guides  :hehe:  With the KR Concept guide system the Assassin Spin is a casting machine and handle Soft plastics easier than the Assassin Sierra

Thanks bud - I agree, its slower action is definitely more suitable for soft plastics than the Sierra. Both rods have their niches now!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: delpy8 on April 17, 2017, 03:31:08 PM
Hi all I must say this post has been the most informative for me and has given me a lot of tips on lures etc,

I cannot wait to come out to KZN, Ps thanks to Steenie for all the tips and info

Cheers Derek
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on April 20, 2017, 07:38:38 PM
Hi all I must say this post has been the most informative for me and has given me a lot of tips on lures etc,

I cannot wait to come out to KZN, Ps thanks to Steenie for all the tips and info

Cheers Derek

I am really glad you find it useful!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on April 29, 2017, 11:35:28 AM
New species on spoon for me this morning.

I was fortunate to get two of these Largemouth Queenfish (44 cm and 46 cm forklength). Really impressed how hard they smash the spoon at fast retrieve. And they fight well for their size. The larger one of the two fish took a bit of line at the back. Actually thought I had a decent snoek on!

Only the best of my casts produced the bites, because reaching the strike zone far enough behind the backline from the beach was not easy.

But my 11 ft Assassin Sierra heavy rod and PE1.5 Gosen casting braid loaded on my Shimano twinpower 5000 reel gives one the edge when those long casts are required to get to the fish. The PE2.5 JDB braid leader at the front of my casting braid also allows one to throw at full force for many hours without fearing snapoffs in the back of one's mind.

The new CID magic missile no 2 spoon also helps to get those few extra meters on the cast. They cast exceptionally well with very little fluttering in the air. I got the one fish on the pink glow and the bigger fish on the redhead colour.

One both spoons I had 4/0 Mustad Tarpon (signature series) hooks fitted. I find the points of these duratin hooks last very well when spinning of beaches with very coarse sand that normally blunt hook points easily. And they give really good hooksets.

Both fish were safely released.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: stickleback on April 29, 2017, 12:10:27 PM
Nice fish Steenie !!! which beach were you fishing from?
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: REEFMAN on April 29, 2017, 04:56:01 PM
Great catches Steenie! My favourite fish next to a Kingie. Never caught one on lure though. Impressive skills bud!  (clap)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on April 30, 2017, 09:28:22 AM
Nice fish Steenie !!! which beach were you fishing from?

Durban north, just north of the Umgeni River.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on May 04, 2017, 09:52:22 PM
I embrace every new species I catch on lure. Figuring out how to get that single bite of the morning is addictive. Small rock cod on a 5" jerkshad this morning.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: John F on May 04, 2017, 10:59:27 PM
The bait is almost the same size as the catface rockcod... typical "cat"... would not let it pass without grabbing it!

Nice!!!!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: delpy8 on May 05, 2017, 09:21:11 AM
Hi Steenie
How well has the jerkshad been for spinning from the shore.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on May 06, 2017, 08:22:24 AM
The bait is almost the same size as the catface rockcod... typical "cat"... would not let it pass without grabbing it!

Nice!!!!

I know hahahaha! This little guy had no problem to inhale that plastic!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on May 06, 2017, 08:26:03 AM
Hi Steenie
How well has the jerkshad been for spinning from the shore.

I love that Berkeley pearl-watermelon jerkshad! I am quite new to soft plastics, but I have caught quite a few species on this jerkshad - bluefin kingie, greenspot kingie, rainbow wrasse and this little rockcod. I have also hooked a bus garrick on it. Unfortunately lost that fish.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on June 22, 2017, 09:56:48 PM
I caught this beautiful fat longfin kingfish in tough conditions on the trusted CID pink glow couta casting no 2 spoon. The swell was really big, and with a strong side current. I was fishing a section of scattered reef with deep water behind it.

The fish bumped the spoon hard on two occasions before finally eating it just behind the big shore break. It was very feisty and revved me properly in the turbulent white water and strong current in between the scattered reef. This beautiful specimen was tagged and released to fight another day.

Things then went quiet and after another few casts with the no 2 spoon I scaled down to the no 1 version (28 g) of the same spoon. On my first cast I went tight with what felt like a similar sized fish. Unfortunately it came off in the turbulent water in between the scattered reef. On the next cast I hooked and landed a needlescale queenfish. So scaling down to smaller spoons when the bites stop, or when the fish half-heartedly bumps the bigger spoons, sometimes works.

Tackle used: 11 foot Assassin Sierra heavy spinning rod with a Shimano Twinpower 5000 reel spooled with 25 lb (PE1.5) Gosen casting braid. A 35 lb (PE2.5) JDB 8-weave braid leader linked the casting braid to a 0.60 mm Siglon fluorocarbon leader at the front end.
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Post by: Steenie on June 22, 2017, 10:02:20 PM
Tagged and released.
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Post by: DownUnder on June 23, 2017, 03:27:06 AM
Great catches Steenie.
Do you have any experience with the GT ice cream/ Richter plug range?

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Post by: REEFMAN on June 23, 2017, 06:38:36 AM
Another great catch Riekert!  (clap)
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Post by: colin on June 23, 2017, 07:11:18 AM
 :cgrts: :toppie:
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Post by: Steenie on June 23, 2017, 08:51:50 PM
Great catches Steenie.
Do you have any experience with the GT ice cream/ Richter plug range?

The longfin Kingfish I caught earlier this year, also at Vidal, was on a 2 oz GT icecream plug. Apparently its rare to catch this species on plug.
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Post by: sardinella on June 23, 2017, 09:15:37 PM
Dedication pays off again, well done
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Post by: DownUnder on June 24, 2017, 09:23:23 AM
Good stuff Steenie, What size hooks did you rig on the 2oz GT plug? I've got a range coming from 1- 5oz and am not sure which size and type of hook to use..
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Post by: Grumpy on June 24, 2017, 10:15:07 AM
The Richter plugs are cool. Made by a mate of mine in Port Elizabeth. He sold that part,of the business on and New owner supplying Richter .
However he has been making these for some time now, almost indestructible,  hand poured and deadly on the fish too.I am told Richter has placed a significant order, so keep your eyes open in tackle shops in OZ.
They come in various colours and sized up to .4 oz. With glitter and flake in them.

I spent 2 weeks in Cape Vidal in May and used these extensively from shore and on the boat offshore.  Shore fishing not the greatest,  but we managed some Kingies of various species, Queenfish , snoek and one King mackerel from the side. Colour made little diffs as long as the lure was shiny or sparkling enough.

Different story on the boat, tuna and king mackerel out of control. We landed a whack on bait and live bait, but also caught both on plug, stickbait and spoon. Not much surface action though. Tuna up to 18 kg and  kings up to 14 kg,  great fun none the less. Particularly on lighter tackle.
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Post by: Grumpy on June 24, 2017, 10:18:55 AM
Apologies for crappy photo's
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Post by: Steenie on June 24, 2017, 09:54:43 PM
Good stuff Steenie, What size hooks did you rig on the 2oz GT plug? I've got a range coming from 1- 5oz and am not sure which size and type of hook to use..

I find the 8/0 Rockpoint hooks to work really well on the 2 oz plugs.
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Post by: Visenvryheid on June 25, 2017, 10:39:43 AM
Depends on what you are fishing for with the plugs and the fishing conditions..

For C&R, an inline single is good, larger than you would think, 4/0 for small plugs and 6/0 upwards for the bigger plugs. It helps to set the hook back a bit somehow with split rings etc..for better hookup as the hookup is often outside the mouth as the fish grabs the head of the plug and swims away with it. For this reason never ever strike a plug, allow the fish to hook himself and pull the slack out of the line, only hit him when he is taking line to set the hook.NB. Also find a tinned, forged mustad kendal round works well with its slightly longer shank, 5/0- 9/0(10/0 even), plug depending.

For non catch and release, use a treble, small ones for small plugs for tailor (shad) etc.. and big boys 5/0 and 7/0 mustad 2x hooks for the medium and big plugs, target fish depending. I find the 2x hooks to have better hook up and lost too many large fish on 4x VMCs or others with the larger wire and bend shape wearing holes in the fish and hooks pulling up close. If the wind is up like crazy, use as large a treble as you can to anchor the plug into the water, a fish can't eat it if it is sailing in the air like a kite on the line. Don't worry about the hook being too big, I've hooked rat tail barely 800g on a long plug with a 7/0 treble, where that fish was only twice the length of the plug and those trebles and lure swallowed so deep I had to ikejime the fish and almost gut him to get them out! Shame he would have gone back at that size but it was not his day.
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Post by: DownUnder on June 25, 2017, 12:30:51 PM
Thanks Grumpy that's interesting. The glitter ones are not easy to find and even the traditional Richters are tricky. Very popular as far as I can ascertain.
The guys from Nomad fishing the Coral Sea love the big GT Ice Cream models and get a lot of big GTs in them.
Steenie thanks for the advice. I've got a few good brands in mind I can follow up on from here.
Difficult to get good strong end tackle for big reef species down here in Victoria as we don't get the big tropical species.  So most will be sourced online.
Thanks Visenvryheid. Thats good advice. Most fish will be catch and release. So I will go for larger inline singles. A question.. do oval split rings as opposed to round split rings make a difference in hookups? And which swivels are recommended?
Much appreciated guys!
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Post by: Steenie on June 26, 2017, 06:14:49 PM
Thanks for all the info sharing on the thread guys!
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Post by: Steenie on June 26, 2017, 06:20:03 PM
I drove a good amount of km's south of Durban yesterday afternoon searching for sardines and seeing absolutely none. In the end I had a spinning session at my turnaround point. First cast I went tight with a bigeye kingie on dropshot. I though a bumper session awaited me - but that was the only bite. And whilst I was throwing my arms off some lucky guys smashed the gamefish (snoek and garrick) when they located a small pocket of sardines further north at one of the spots I visited earlier the afternoon. Thats fishing for you!

Tagged and released the kingie.
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Post by: Steenie on July 29, 2017, 03:59:07 PM
Good to get some bites again.

Blacktip kingfish on the pink glow couta casting no 2 spoon and a nice size queenfish on a 2 oz squid colour GT icecream plug.

Tackle used: Assassin Sierra heavy 11 ft rod, Shimano Twinpower 5000 reel spooled with 20 lb (PE1.5) JDB 8-weave braid.

Both fish tagged and released.

It was really sad to see some other spinnermen keeping kingfish. These lovely gamefish deserves better. Just my opinion!
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Post by: MIKE PIKE on July 29, 2017, 07:34:54 PM
 (clap) great stuff .. :Like:
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Post by: sardinella on July 29, 2017, 10:36:46 PM
Mr preserverance at it again, well done Riekert
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Post by: Steenie on July 30, 2017, 02:58:08 PM
A very unusual morning to say the least! Hahaha! Big stone bream on spoon and a half eaten banded galjoen on a zombie z'minnow. The pronounced wounds have healed a long time ago already. That stone bream is a strong fish! A small GT also had no problem to attack my 1.5 oz clear GT icecream plug.
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Post by: John F on July 30, 2017, 03:04:13 PM
That's incredible how that fish survived without a 1/4 of its body!!!!!
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Post by: Steenie on July 31, 2017, 07:23:24 AM
That's incredible how that fish survived without a 1/4 of its body!!!!!

I know! But the wounds have healed perfectly.
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Post by: Steenie on August 26, 2017, 01:06:14 PM
Nice big wolf herring on the 175 mm (33 g) floating zombie z'minnow in horse mackerel colour fitted with 3/0 rockpoint inline single hooks. It smashed the lure aggressive on a pause between rod sweeps and provided some aerial acrobatics.
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Post by: REEFMAN on August 30, 2017, 09:49:21 AM
 (clap)
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Post by: Steenie on August 30, 2017, 10:14:29 AM
Another wolf herring this morning, this time on the Clone double spoon from PE. The swim action of these spoons are amazing on slow or fast retrieves. And they cast really well too!
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Post by: REEFMAN on August 30, 2017, 02:13:17 PM
Where are the dunes getting washed away like that??!  :shk Is that around Vidal?
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Post by: SAfish on August 30, 2017, 02:44:49 PM
Awesome catches, well done!  :resp:
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Post by: Steenie on August 30, 2017, 07:57:02 PM
Where are the dunes getting washed away like that??!  :shk Is that around Vidal?

Not at all! Sommer lekker local between Beachwood and Umgeni mouth! I will post some photos here as well.
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Post by: Steenie on August 30, 2017, 07:59:28 PM
Power of the sea here in Durban area at the moment. This vertical wall of dune makes my 11 ft spinning rod look tiny!
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Post by: Steenie on August 30, 2017, 08:01:47 PM
Rocks exposed that must have been covered for many many years.
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Post by: REEFMAN on August 31, 2017, 06:36:14 AM
Yoh! Amazing!
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Post by: dugong on August 31, 2017, 10:28:02 AM
All the northern beaches have been hammered, Durban is not too bad because the dredger is back and working 24/7 and the sand pumping is in full swing, this is Umdloti ski boat ramp last week and further north parts of the road have been washed away!! :shk
If they have another 5m+ swell that coincides with the springs there could be groot k*K as residents won't be able to get to their homes.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on September 12, 2017, 09:25:05 PM
During my spinning session I tried a number of different spoons and varying retrieve styles from long before sunrise without raising bites. A while after sunrise I switched to a Chase no 5 white-metal bullet spoon and went tight on my first cast. It turned out to be a feisty 41 cm fork length longfin kingfish on the other end of the line. I placed the fish in a deep rock pool to tag and release it later. Soon afterwards it was joined by a bigger 45 cm fork length buddy who also made the mistake of eating my Chase no 5 spoon. They are very strong and dirty fighters for their size and both dragged my braid over some foul reef structure during the fight. Fortunately the 3.5 m section of 35 lb (PE2.5) JDB braid leader, which I tie to the front of the thinner 20 lb (PE1.5) JDB casting braid via a FG knot, provided some protection and definitely saved me from being cut-off.
 
Whilst the two longfin kingfish were swimming around in the rock pool some natal snoek arrived on the scene. A really big snoek smashed the Chase no 5 right on the surface in a heart-stopping moment. Nothing beats a gamefish chasing a spoon down on the surface and then pouncing all over it. Land-based spinning for gamefish at its very best! Unfortunately it was only a brief encounter before the hook pulled. However, not long afterwards I hooked into another snoek with the Chase no 5 spoon on a different retrieve style. All was under control until a big wave washed the fish around a rock ledge that put the JDB braid leader through even more abuse. To make matters worse the 1.5 m section of Siglon fluorocarbon (0.66 mm diameter) leader at the front of the braid leader got badly snagged around a rock with the snoek lying on a ledge below me with the spoon in its mouth. With the next wave that broke over the fish the hook pulled, washing the snoek into a deep gulley. Fortunately the fish had enough and washed back up onto the rocks where I could casually go and pick the awaiting fish braai up – very lucky indeed!
 
The snoek went home, but the two longfin kingfish were tagged and released. From the deep rock pool I transferred them into a shallow pool for the tagging procedure and some quick photos. The gentle handling of fish during tagging, and also when taking photos, are of supreme importance!
 
The fish were biting far out but my Assassin Sierra heavy (1 – 2 oz) 11 foot spinning rod paired with a Shimano Twinpower 5000 reel spooled with good quality thin JDB braid allowed me to get into the strike zone of the fish. A while ago I converted the original guides on the Sierra to Fuji KR concept guides, which enables the effective use of braid leaders and optimises overall casting performance.
 
Contrary to some opinions that braid leaders reduce casting distance, I have found the opposite. The FG knot that I use to join the braid leader to the thinner casting braid travels silently and effortlessly through the KR concept guides. The braid leader protects the first few meters of casting braid, which removes the fear of snap-offs during casting from one’s mind. This in the long run improves casting rhythm/consistency, which benefits distance. I also find that the slight extra weight of the short braid leader travelling behind the lure stabilises the lure during flight, reducing lure tumbling and tail-wagging through the air, similar to the feather effect behind an arrow or a dart. With the lure doing less unwanted movements through the air (poorer aerodynamics) casting distance is increased. These individual elements add up to increase overall casting performance.
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Post by: Steenie on September 12, 2017, 09:27:09 PM
Snoek action on Chase no 5 spoon.
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Post by: DownUnder on September 13, 2017, 12:04:04 AM
Good job Steenie, always enjoy your informative posts
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Post by: colin on September 13, 2017, 06:32:33 AM
 :cgrts: and :tkx:  . wish I could follow you someday . I am sure I would learn a lot about :fshn: :fshn: . :toppie:
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Post by: Steenie on September 13, 2017, 08:04:45 AM
:cgrts: and :tkx:  . wish I could follow you someday . I am sure I would learn a lot about :fshn: :fshn: . :toppie:

Welcome to let me know when you are down here in Durban! Then we can do a session together.
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Post by: colin on September 13, 2017, 10:36:28 AM
 :tkx:  Steenie  , hope I can take you up on the offer someday .  :toppie:
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Post by: sardinella on September 13, 2017, 06:16:12 PM
Nice write-up and some good fish, thanks Riekert
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Post by: GT on October 15, 2017, 09:18:59 PM
Hi all


Theses  Chase Bullet spoons and other similar spoons don't come with a shiny finish . DoEs one have to shine them up before using ? If yes, how do you go about doing that


Thanks in advance
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Post by: REEFMAN on October 16, 2017, 07:44:19 AM
Metal spoon shining... http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=18727.0 (http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=18727.0)

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Post by: Steenie on October 16, 2017, 06:44:36 PM
Lately I actually only use the back of a knife or scissors, nothing more! The last snoek and two longfin kingfish were caught that way.
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Post by: Steenie on November 23, 2017, 03:11:26 PM
The new CID Sprat spoon is going to catch loads of fish.

Since testing this new spoon it is the second session where relatively “locked-jaw” fish still cannot resist it.

Last week I managed to catch 3 greenspot kingfish on the red-head one. Last week I also hooked, but unfortunately lost, a tigerfish in Swaziland on the red-head!

This morning I caught and released 7 shad on the sardine colour one. They were not interested in the red-head!

Cannot wait for these lures to hit the shelves and to try some of the other colour options like the pink-flash!
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Post by: Steenie on November 23, 2017, 03:14:02 PM
Red-head sprat spoon
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Post by: Steenie on November 23, 2017, 03:38:39 PM
Sardine colour
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Post by: Steenie on November 23, 2017, 03:39:57 PM
Side by side
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Post by: stephanhavenga on November 23, 2017, 03:53:54 PM
Will definitely have to add a couple to the tackle bag. Do they come standard with inline single hooks
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Post by: Clayton Kleynhans on November 23, 2017, 04:51:20 PM
Exciting times Steenie, thanx for sharing.
Will definitely add to the tackle box and hopefully land a good couple of Yellowtail - especially those "locked-jaw" ones.
 
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Post by: Steenie on November 23, 2017, 09:22:53 PM
Will definitely have to add a couple to the tackle bag. Do they come standard with inline single hooks

They weigh 30 g and come with treble hook. I use 3/0 Rockpoint inline hooks on them. Appears to work well!
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Post by: Steenie on December 05, 2017, 02:48:17 PM
This queenfish was extremely feisty and treated me to some spectacular aerial acrobatics when I had it just behind the big shore-break meters from the side.

It ate the couta casting pink glow spoon on a very long cast towards a deep-lying sand bank. It smashed the spoon once on a fast retrieve near the surface and came back for a second attack during which it ate the spoon properly.

This is a good size specimen for local beaches here in Durban. I tagged and released it after the photo.
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Post by: Steenie on December 05, 2017, 02:49:31 PM
Another view
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Post by: Steenie on December 05, 2017, 02:53:13 PM
The new CID sprat spoon (1 oz - 90 mm) is finally on the shelves at Basil Manning branches.

I have been testing the sardine and red-head ones in the photo for a short while before release and they have accounted for 11 fish already. I have now purchased the pink-flash and pearl ones to expand the arsenal.

I have fitted them all with no 4 splitrings and a 3/0 Rockpoint inline hook.

These spoons are going to catch a lot of fish due to their great casting ability and powerful action. Slow to medium retrieves work great, but even at very fast retrieve they do not jump out of the water easily. So they are extremely versatile!
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Post by: Steenie on December 05, 2017, 02:55:06 PM
The CID Sprat spoon (pink-flash) in action.
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Post by: FishStyx on December 05, 2017, 03:50:52 PM
Excellent Queen there mate...  (clap)


I had no idea Rock Point had inlines... Oh well... best go get me some  :creep:
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Post by: emjay on December 16, 2017, 08:09:20 PM
Awesome thread this! Really learnt a lot reading through it. Thanks for the time and effort of posting

I'm off to St Lucia this Christmas. Will make a plan to trek to first rocks and see what's what. Looking forward to it

You mention those sharks at Maphelane. In February, I saw a massive zambo cruising in the bay within spitting distance of the beach! Crazy how close they come
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Post by: bowsalekta on January 13, 2018, 10:36:32 AM
I managed to pick up this Queenfish this week at St Lucia. In front of the estuary mouth. My first one and first real fish caught on a lure besides Shad on spoon and wave garrick on drop shot and fly. Was on an exceler plus 3000 and 8ft diawa exceler rod.
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Post by: Steenie on January 13, 2018, 11:21:32 AM
I managed to pick up this Queenfish this week at St Lucia. In front of the estuary mouth. My first one and first real fish caught on a lure besides Shad on spoon and wave garrick on drop shot and fly. Was on an exceler plus 3000 and 8ft diawa exceler rod.

Well done man! Those queenfish are such lovely fish to catch. I am really keen to catch a big specimen, hopefully soon!
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Post by: bowsalekta on January 13, 2018, 11:42:26 AM
I managed to pick up this Queenfish this week at St Lucia. In front of the estuary mouth. My first one and first real fish caught on a lure besides Shad on spoon and wave garrick on drop shot and fly. Was on an exceler plus 3000 and 8ft diawa exceler rod.

Well done man! Those queenfish are such lovely fish to catch. I am really keen to catch a big specimen, hopefully soon!

Thank you. Was a great fish to catch. Nice explosion on the take and a big jump when hooked. They fight hard. I'm sure a big specimen will give a great account for itself. It took it on a quick jerk retrieve.  I haven't had much luck on any of the Iron candy type lures but this did the trick. 
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Post by: colin on January 13, 2018, 01:04:22 PM
 :cgrts: :envy :toppie:
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Post by: Steenie on January 13, 2018, 01:22:54 PM
I managed to pick up this Queenfish this week at St Lucia. In front of the estuary mouth. My first one and first real fish caught on a lure besides Shad on spoon and wave garrick on drop shot and fly. Was on an exceler plus 3000 and 8ft diawa exceler rod.

Well done man! Those queenfish are such lovely fish to catch. I am really keen to catch a big specimen, hopefully soon!

Thank you. Was a great fish to catch. Nice explosion on the take and a big jump when hooked. They fight hard. I'm sure a big specimen will give a great account for itself. It took it on a quick jerk retrieve.  I haven't had much luck on any of the Iron candy type lures but this did the trick.

Was that on the clear CID sprat spoon?
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on January 13, 2018, 01:29:11 PM
Some success the last few weeks on soft plastics. Really starting to enjoy this style of spinning.
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Post by: bowsalekta on January 13, 2018, 01:30:30 PM
Hi Steenie. I believe it is an Onda by Maria?? if I can remember. I stand to to be corrected but I haven't bought the CiD version yet.  Correction it's The Onda by the kingfisher
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Post by: Steenie on January 13, 2018, 01:33:37 PM
Another kingie on soft plastics
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Post by: Steenie on January 13, 2018, 01:34:28 PM
Hi Steenie. I believe it is an Onda by Maria?? if I can remember. I stand to to be corrected but I haven't bought the CiD version yet.  Correction it's The Onda by the kingfisher

Ok thanks!
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Post by: bowsalekta on January 13, 2018, 01:36:02 PM
Great catches! I need to learn how to find all these fish!
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Post by: Steenie on January 21, 2018, 11:03:11 AM
This fish on soft plastics revved me properly in the turbulent white water. As always, tagged and released.
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Post by: Steenie on January 21, 2018, 11:04:59 AM
Another one from this week.
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Post by: colin on January 21, 2018, 11:34:06 AM
 :cgrts: as always  :bow: :toppie:
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Post by: Steenie on February 01, 2018, 06:02:33 AM
The brut intensity of the attack by this very feisty 56 cm fork length greenspot (brassy) kingfish on my artificial offering, worked slow-pitch style, was truly spectacular. I gave it an ORI tag and released it back where it belongs.
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Post by: huntley on February 01, 2018, 07:41:48 AM
Congratulations Riekert. Another good fish. You make me very envious (clap)
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Post by: Lofty on February 01, 2018, 09:35:37 AM
Wow,nice catch..wish I could fish as often as you do.. :-(
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Post by: FishStyx on February 01, 2018, 10:42:02 AM
Beautiful fish  (clap)
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Post by: Steenie on February 01, 2018, 01:20:52 PM
Congratulations Riekert. Another good fish. You make me very envious (clap)

Thank you! You must come and join me one morning again!
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Post by: Steenie on February 01, 2018, 01:23:20 PM
Wow,nice catch..wish I could fish as often as you do.. :-(

Thank you! Very privileged to be able to spin 3 - 5 times a week I know. When bites are few and far between I always remind myself of this privilege when I start to get grumpy!
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Post by: Steenie on February 01, 2018, 01:25:28 PM
Beautiful fish  (clap)

Thanks you!
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Post by: stickleback on February 01, 2018, 01:56:55 PM
Steenie, is the KZN spinning club you mentioned a while ago still active?
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Post by: Steenie on February 01, 2018, 02:55:21 PM
Steenie, is the KZN spinning club you mentioned a while ago still active?

Hi, although called a club, it’s basically just a FB page, like any other fishing forum on FB. I am a member on that group. They also have a whatsapp group, but I am not on that group.
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Post by: Steenie on February 09, 2018, 10:56:09 AM
My first success with bucktail jigs. This 60 cm forklength greenspot kingfish at a 1 oz Tiny Jigs bucktail jig. This very gold colored specimen gave a great fight! I tagged and released this beauty.
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Post by: Steenie on February 09, 2018, 10:59:46 AM
Bus wave garrick of 50 cm forklength on a 5” z’man streakz plastic fitted on a 1 oz jighead. I have so much respect for this species. Super fast and strong for their size! I tagged and released this great specimen.
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Post by: colin on February 09, 2018, 11:51:44 AM
 :resp: :bow: :toppie:
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Post by: CRANKMAN on February 09, 2018, 12:10:45 PM
Good job as always  :udman:
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Post by: hrogers on February 09, 2018, 12:15:12 PM
Nice catch !! Thanks for sharing - That is a beaut of a Large Spot !!
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Post by: REEFMAN on February 09, 2018, 12:23:40 PM
Great catches Riekert!  (clap)
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Post by: stickleback on February 09, 2018, 01:03:06 PM
Awesome fishing (again!), beautiful colours on that kingie!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on February 10, 2018, 10:49:08 AM
Thank you guys. I am really starting to enjoy the art of effectively fishing the various parts of the water column with lures. The amount of bites that I am getting has increased substantially. I think the spatial (both horizontal and vertical) feeding zones of many species could be quite small, especially if the fish are not very active or aggressive. Once the lure is retrieved out of that zone the opportunity to get the bite is gone, unless the fish is in a really aggressive mood. So the longer you can keep the right lure in the feeding zone the better your chances.
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Post by: DownUnder on February 11, 2018, 11:18:32 AM
Steenie is becoming a master.
Keep em coming mate, also techniques, any changes in tackle etc.
Great stuff  :gt: :shd:
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Post by: MIKE PIKE on February 12, 2018, 07:50:17 PM
Awesome catches Riekert... (clap) ,
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Post by: carll on February 13, 2018, 08:40:20 PM
Well done mate !  I believe we will have lots of fun next week with the Kingies  :gt:
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Post by: Steenie on February 13, 2018, 09:36:44 PM
Well done mate !  I believe we will have lots of fun next week with the Kingies  :gt:

Oh yes!! Delighted that you are joining me!
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Post by: Steenie on March 02, 2018, 08:16:29 PM
Pure predator awesomeness!

Beating my previous personal best shad with 3 cm. This 73 cm forklength shad ate a 7” Berkeley jerkshad on 1.5 oz jighead near the bottom shortly after starting the retrieve.

Tackle used: Assassin Spin, Shimano Twinpower 5000 reel spooled with 20 lb Grinder 8-weave braid.
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Post by: dugong on March 02, 2018, 08:32:15 PM
 :rck" nice, where did you get it?
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Post by: Steenie on March 02, 2018, 08:58:34 PM
:rck" nice, where did you get it?

Local hey - Durban north coast.
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Post by: stickleback on March 02, 2018, 09:11:07 PM
Congrats on the new PB!- are you giving your sierra rod a holiday?
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on March 02, 2018, 10:25:09 PM
Congrats on the new PB!- are you giving your sierra rod a holiday?

Hahahaha! The Sierra got its niche. Right lure and target species. Will always be a winner!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: huntley on March 03, 2018, 07:27:33 AM
Congratulations Riekert. An awesome fish  :happ:
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Post by: carll on March 04, 2018, 06:48:14 PM
Well done mate !

I'm sorry I missed this Spinning session!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on March 04, 2018, 07:05:41 PM
Well done mate !

I'm sorry I missed this Spinning session!

Me too!!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: carll on March 04, 2018, 07:23:10 PM
I must post this. Riekert lost a Bus GT' while we were Spinning last week and ended in tears after the hook pulled after a fight of 5min !
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on March 04, 2018, 08:36:32 PM
I must post this. Riekert lost a Bus GT' while we were Spinning last week and ended in tears after the hook pulled after a fight of 5min !

It was a very sad moment! But a very good test of my braid leader to casting braid FG knot and all the other terminal tackle knots etc. Taking the positive out of the incident!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Half-Pint on March 05, 2018, 07:15:11 AM
Riekert, hard luck on the kingie!

Could you run us through your current set ups? I know you include the details with the catches but its hard to follow what has been phased out and what is still used just for different applications
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Post by: delpy8 on March 05, 2018, 07:39:40 PM
Hi Guys any good spots for spinning around the Umhlanga area,Ive heard down from Basil Manning is a good spot, any ideas appreciated
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: emjay on March 06, 2018, 07:41:15 AM
Awesome catch! Really great to see these sort of fish coming out around Durban area.

You using an Assassin spin? How do you like it? What length is it? I want to upgrade my shore spinning tackle and was interested in the Assassin spin
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: carll on March 06, 2018, 11:44:57 PM
Hi Emjay
The Assassin Spin is a great rod. I have the std. 11ft Spin and changed the standard guides to Fuji's KR Concept guide system. That makes a huge difference.
In the photo is Riekert with his Assassin Spin custom rebuild to 10 ft and Fuji's KR Concept Guides. It have impressive casting ability of the 7” soft plastics on 1.5 jigheads. Look at that curve when fighting that big fish,loads of backbone!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on March 21, 2018, 02:20:42 PM
Hi Emjay
The Assassin Spin is a great rod. I have the std. 11ft Spin and changed the standard guides to Fuji's KR Concept guide system. That makes a huge difference.
In the photo is Riekert with his Assassin Spin custom rebuild to 10 ft and Fuji's KR Concept Guides. It have impressive casting ability of the 7” soft plastics on 1.5 jigheads. Look at that curve when fighting that big fish,loads of backbone!

Thanks bud - you captured it perfectly!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on March 21, 2018, 02:29:57 PM
Riekert, hard luck on the kingie!

Could you run us through your current set ups? I know you include the details with the catches but its hard to follow what has been phased out and what is still used just for different applications

Sorry for the slow response.

I basically use 3 setups at present.

1. Assassin Sierra 11 ft heavy with Shimano Twinpower 5000 reel when spinning fast retrieve spoons and plugs for Snoek etc.
2. Assassin Spin 1-2 oz rod that Fishatic (Brandon) converted for me from 11 ft to 10 ft by cutting off the top and bottom 15 cm sections and then putting Fuji KR guides and better reel seat on. I use this rod with the same Shimano Twinpower 5000 reel. Its a beast of a setup which throws 7” dropshot between 2 and 3 oz an absolute mile, yet the rod tip is still very responsive for getting good action out of these lures. It also throws 2 oz plugs really well.
3. A Majorcraft 10.6 ft rod with a Daiwa BG3000 reel for any slow application with plastics, bucktails and jigging spoons. Awesome fun!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on March 21, 2018, 02:36:08 PM
My first cob on lure! 90 cm total length fish. Caught on my 10 ft Assassin Spin rod with Shimano Twinpower reel spooled with 20 lb (PE1.5) 8x Grinder braid with 35 lb (PE2.5) JDB braid leader and 0.66 mm Siglon fluorocarbon leader at the front end. This great fish ate a 1.5 oz bucktail jig fished slowly in between reefs.
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Post by: sardinella on March 21, 2018, 04:04:14 PM
Very nice fish Riekert. Well done
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Post by: stickleback on March 21, 2018, 05:21:46 PM
 (clap) Awesome fishing again bud!!
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Post by: PatrickH on March 22, 2018, 10:15:05 PM
Great catch! Well done  :cgrts:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: CRANKMAN on March 23, 2018, 08:57:30 AM
Great catch again!

Reikert, did I chat to you on the beach at St Lucia on Monday? I met an angler walking on the beach who told me I had come down with all the wrong tackle for spinning in that area  :blush: , I had all fast spoons and plugs and no plastics or bucktails.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: colin on March 25, 2018, 06:18:50 AM
 :cgrts: again  :toppie:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on April 03, 2018, 03:29:11 PM
Great catch again!

Reikert, did I chat to you on the beach at St Lucia on Monday? I met an angler walking on the beach who told me I had come down with all the wrong tackle for spinning in that area  :blush: , I had all fast spoons and plugs and no plastics or bucktails.

Could have been me! Was I busy walking of the beach? I did mention tp somebody that its good to carry some soft plastics with them as well because plugs and spoons don’t always produce the bites.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: soupcan on April 18, 2018, 04:29:53 PM
My first cob on lure! 90 cm total length fish. Caught on my 10 ft Assassin Spin rod with Shimano Twinpower reel spooled with 20 lb (PE1.5) 8x Grinder braid with 35 lb (PE2.5) JDB braid leader and 0.66 mm Siglon fluorocarbon leader at the front end. This great fish ate a 1.5 oz bucktail jig fished slowly in between reefs.

Hi Steenie

I've enjoyed following this post a great deal and have learned 1 things only:  Keep on trying!    No jokes, you have to keep on keeping on until you come right! And then when you finally get a hookup, it's like hitting the jackpot!!

See attached my first Kob on plastics - a helluva long time in the making!  74cm and released...  Then the next morning I did exactly the same thing and landed another of 73cm, which was dinner!  Caught on 2 setups:

Penn Regiment 11ft with a Daiwa BG 4000 using 20LB Daiwa Jbraid and a 6 inch Mccarthy paddletail 1oz.
Assassin Spin XH 9˝ft  with a Daiwa BG 4000 using 20LB Daiwa Jbraid and a 6 inch Berkely paddletail  1oz.

Have you ever tried the Penn Regiment rods, 1-4oz?  It's probably a bit stiff to cast all day but it's what I had been using to cast bait until I switched to plastics.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: CRANKMAN on April 19, 2018, 08:59:02 AM
Great catch again!

Reikert, did I chat to you on the beach at St Lucia on Monday? I met an angler walking on the beach who told me I had come down with all the wrong tackle for spinning in that area  :blush: , I had all fast spoons and plugs and no plastics or bucktails.

Could have been me! Was I busy walking of the beach? I did mention tp somebody that its good to carry some soft plastics with them as well because plugs and spoons don’t always produce the bites.
Yes, you were just heading off the beach - damn, if I had known it was you I would have tapped you for a lot more advice!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on April 20, 2018, 03:15:04 PM
My first cob on lure! 90 cm total length fish. Caught on my 10 ft Assassin Spin rod with Shimano Twinpower reel spooled with 20 lb (PE1.5) 8x Grinder braid with 35 lb (PE2.5) JDB braid leader and 0.66 mm Siglon fluorocarbon leader at the front end. This great fish ate a 1.5 oz bucktail jig fished slowly in between reefs.

Hi Steenie

I've enjoyed following this post a great deal and have learned 1 things only:  Keep on trying!    No jokes, you have to keep on keeping on until you come right! And then when you finally get a hookup, it's like hitting the jackpot!!

See attached my first Kob on plastics - a helluva long time in the making!  74cm and released...  Then the next morning I did exactly the same thing and landed another of 73cm, which was dinner!  Caught on 2 setups:

Penn Regiment 11ft with a Daiwa BG 4000 using 20LB Daiwa Jbraid and a 6 inch Mccarthy paddletail 1oz.
Assassin Spin XH 9˝ft  with a Daiwa BG 4000 using 20LB Daiwa Jbraid and a 6 inch Berkely paddletail  1oz.

Have you ever tried the Penn Regiment rods, 1-4oz?  It's probably a bit stiff to cast all day but it's what I had been using to cast bait until I switched to plastics.

Well done on your cob! Nice write-up as well. No, I have not yet tried the Penn Regiment rods.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on April 20, 2018, 03:17:35 PM
Got this nice snoek of the beach this week. Nothing beats getting one from the beach!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Kes on April 20, 2018, 03:24:33 PM
Where was this bud..??
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on April 20, 2018, 03:27:39 PM
Where was this bud..??

KZN north coast hey.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: soupcan on April 22, 2018, 10:19:49 AM
Got this nice snoek of the beach this week. Nothing beats getting one from the beach!

Nice Snoek! Looks like you have a Diawa BG reel now?
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on April 22, 2018, 03:39:40 PM
Got this nice snoek of the beach this week. Nothing beats getting one from the beach!

Nice Snoek! Looks like you have a Diawa BG reel now?

Yes, its the Daiwa BG3000. What a great little reel!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Poenskop on April 22, 2018, 03:51:27 PM
Very nice fish. Hopefully next time business will give me enough time to give them a bash.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on April 22, 2018, 03:53:48 PM
Very nice fish. Hopefully next time business will give me enough time to give them a bash.

I will be holding thumbs for you. Tight lines!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Kes on April 23, 2018, 07:21:06 AM
Where was this bud..??

KZN north coast hey.


Cool, thanks bud.. :bow:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: soupcan on April 23, 2018, 05:00:01 PM
Nice Snoek! Looks like you have a Diawa BG reel now?
Yes, its the Daiwa BG3000. What a great little reel!

Ha!!  Would you say the BG3000 is comparable is size to the Shimano 4000?  In weight it would be, but in terms of physical size?

I have a BG4000 - and it's about a Shimano 5500.  If I was to buy again for pure spinning up to about 3oz on a 10ft I would have got the BG3500.  Just a feeling/opinion.  They do weigh a bit more than the same physical size Shimano but are just as smooth, and probably stronger.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Kes on April 24, 2018, 09:59:46 AM
Nice Snoek! Looks like you have a Diawa BG reel now?
Yes, its the Daiwa BG3000. What a great little reel!

Ha!!  Would you say the BG3000 is comparable is size to the Shimano 4000?  In weight it would be, but in terms of physical size?

I have a BG4000 - and it's about a Shimano 5500.  If I was to buy again for pure spinning up to about 3oz on a 10ft I would have got the BG3500.  Just a feeling/opinion.  They do weigh a bit more than the same physical size Shimano but are just as smooth, and probably stronger.


BG4000 is about the size of a Shimano 6000.


My BG5000 is the same physical size as my Sustain 10000, give or take a few millimeters here and there..

Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on April 24, 2018, 03:27:40 PM
Nice Snoek! Looks like you have a Diawa BG reel now?
Yes, its the Daiwa BG3000. What a great little reel!

Ha!!  Would you say the BG3000 is comparable is size to the Shimano 4000?  In weight it would be, but in terms of physical size?

I have a BG4000 - and it's about a Shimano 5500.  If I was to buy again for pure spinning up to about 3oz on a 10ft I would have got the BG3500.  Just a feeling/opinion.  They do weigh a bit more than the same physical size Shimano but are just as smooth, and probably stronger.

I would say the BG3000 is closer to a 5000 size Shimano. The spool of that BG3000 holds a lot of line. It casts like a dream and the drag is super smooth.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on May 20, 2018, 10:48:43 AM
Greenspot (brassy) kingfish on the chase no 5 spoon. For some reason they just love this spoon and will attack it on days when no other fast retrieving lure produces bites.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on May 20, 2018, 10:49:56 AM
Another one shortly after the first fish.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on May 20, 2018, 10:55:36 AM
Shore slow pitch jigging (shore slow) is rapidly becoming a key tactic in my approach to targeting gamefish on lure. Conditions need to be right for this strategy to work. But under the right conditions this method is simply deadly in getting lock-jaw fish to bite. During this particular session nothing seemed to work except shore slow. It produced the only bite - greenspot (brassy) kingfish.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: fishatic on May 20, 2018, 04:02:38 PM
Can believe.
Just need to get folks to use the right tackle and a whole world opens up....
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: REEFMAN on May 20, 2018, 04:38:44 PM
Nice Riekert!What lure is that last one? Storm Koika?
3 assist hooks??
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: FishStyx on May 20, 2018, 05:53:35 PM
Nice Riekert!What lure is that last one? Storm Koika?
3 assist hooks??

All the slow pitch jigs I have came with 2 double assists. So 4 hooks in all. Slow pitch jigging can be a lot of fun.

Lekker fish Steenie, and liking the use of slow pitch from the shore... Thinking out the box.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on May 20, 2018, 06:59:48 PM
I am using the Majorcraft Jigpara Slow spoons. They cast well over 100 m and they have deadly action. 40 and 50 g ones.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on May 20, 2018, 07:00:59 PM
Can believe.
Just need to get folks to use the right tackle and a whole world opens up....

Yes the right rod is critical!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on May 20, 2018, 07:13:46 PM
Nice Riekert!What lure is that last one? Storm Koika?
3 assist hooks??

I was very sceptical regarding these assists when I first started using these spoons. However, they are simply deadly. And because they are so light, these spoons are very snag resistant in structure. The assist technology in Japan is improving rapidly and is getting better and better. I think the days of the old heavy assist hooks (rock magnets!) are something of the past.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on May 20, 2018, 07:16:12 PM
Some anglers take the bottom hook off in fear of getting stuck in the bricks. But I find it definitely reduce hookups when the spoon is taken on an upward trajectory.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on May 25, 2018, 04:49:44 PM
I found a working bank, with foamy gully in front of it, that looked very promising for fish. Problem was that the potential strike zone was over 100 m out and also very narrow. My dropshot and bucktail jig offerings could not reach this strike zone. And the usual long casting lures were ineffective because by the time you reeled in the slack and got the lure to do its thing you were basically out of the strike zone opportunity!

Thats were the Majorcraft Jigpara Slow (shore slow pitch jigging) spoons becomes an important tactic. They produce super long casts, yet they can be fished really slowly to stay in narrow strike zones for as long as possible. The longer you keep them there, the better the chances of a bite.

The gully I targeted with the zebra glow (40 g) jigpara slow spoon turned out to be absolutely wild with feisty largespot pompanos that pounced on the spoon at every opportunity. They either grabbed the spoon during upward pitches (bottom assist typically resulting in hookup), or during the powerful slow flutters as the spoon sinks.

All fish were tagged and released.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: DownUnder on May 27, 2018, 02:40:54 AM
Hi Steenie, good stuff
I'm after some advice,
I'm looking at an Amia Zero
9ft [PE #1.5-2.5 (17-35lb) |  Casting 28-90g (1-3oz)] rod for slow jigging/ spoon/ plugging work from the shore, would this be a good option for this fishing? I have a Gosa5000 or a BG3000 reel to pair it with

Much appreciated!

Phil
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on May 27, 2018, 10:41:49 AM
Hi Steenie, good stuff
I'm after some advice,
I'm looking at an Amia Zero
9ft [PE #1.5-2.5 (17-35lb) |  Casting 28-90g (1-3oz)] rod for slow jigging/ spoon/ plugging work from the shore, would this be a good option for this fishing? I have a Gosa5000 or a BG3000 reel to pair it with

Much appreciated!

Phil
Hi there, one thing that I discovered in this game is that the idea of having one rod that can do all lure strategies equally well is flawed. Shore slow really requires a rod that has been specifically designed for this purpose. Correct tip action is critical. The Amia zeros was not designed for shore slow and when one feels the action in the store it become clear that the tip action is completely different. For these 40 g jigpara spoons one also requires a blank where the sweet spot is around that weight. A rod rated up to 90 g is going to struggle to get the most out of 40 g shore slow spoons. A shore slow jigging rod with a 1 - 2 oz rating would be ideal. I use the Majorcraft N-one. It is brilliant for shore slow but it also throw conventional spoons and plugs up to 1.5 oz really well. It is 10.6 ft. We struggle with 9 ft rods here to get adequate distance and height during the retrieve with our local sea conditions.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on May 27, 2018, 11:14:30 AM
But as I explained above every rod has its limits. The N-one starts to struggle when you cast 50 g lures. Although rated to 2 oz I would certainly not throw 2 oz plugs with it. So for my 50 g and heavier applications I got myself the 10.2 ft Majorcraft x-ride PLG (30 - 100 g) about 2 weeks ago. It simply loves the heavier spoons and plugs. But tip action is excellent for 7”dropshot and the 50 g and heavier shore slow spoons which was my main consideration. But it struggles with the 40 - 45 g lures. So the N-one cannot replace the X-ride and vice versa!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on June 17, 2018, 07:13:11 PM
So exhilarating to get a good bite on your first cast of a session.

I threw the trusty CID pink glow couta casting no 2 far out into the darkness long before sunrise and this 50 cm FL Greenspot kingfish picked it up straight away. Since it was still dark I placed the fish in a deep rock pool and continued spinning until a bit later before I took this selfie. Fish was tagged and released.

No better way to get woken up properly by the adrenaline rush of a bite in the dark!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on June 30, 2018, 09:02:33 PM
My 2018 garrick season is officially open. After a dismal 2017 of throwing my arms off for them, with no success, it was great to meet the gentleman of the sea again. With due respect for the species I tagged and released this fish.

This specimen ate a 1.5 oz Alcocks bucktail jig. I caught the fish on the 10.2 ft Majorcraft X-ride 30 - 100 g plugging rod. What a powerful, and super lightweight, rod this is! Despite its power, the rod tip is perfect to fish the bigger jigging style lures with finesse.

My Shimano Twinpower 5000 reel is also the perfect partner for this beast of a rod.

Please release your garrick guys - it’s the right thing to do!!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: FishStyx on July 02, 2018, 08:17:00 AM
An absolute beaut... Nice one mate.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: dugong on July 02, 2018, 08:20:24 AM
Nice!! :rck" :rck" :rck" :rck"
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: garrickhunter on July 02, 2018, 10:01:53 AM
Great Riekert.wish you get more this year.I see the slow jigging is really working for you.What you said about the lure being in the strike zone for a longer period really makes sense.I am definitely going to try this. [Im the guy you met in Umdloti] 
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: sardinella on July 02, 2018, 10:49:12 AM
Well done Riekert, nice catch
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: sardinella on July 02, 2018, 10:51:06 AM
WRT slow jigging, would you mind giving us an overview of your technique, ie retrieve method.
Thanks, Willie
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on July 02, 2018, 11:20:25 AM
Great Riekert.wish you get more this year.I see the slow jigging is really working for you.What you said about the lure being in the strike zone for a longer period really makes sense.I am definitely going to try this. [Im the guy you met in Umdloti]

It was a pleasure meeting you! Yes, slowing things down with the right lure is sometimes very important.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on July 02, 2018, 05:52:30 PM
WRT slow jigging, would you mind giving us an overview of your technique, ie retrieve method.
Thanks, Willie

Hi Willie,

Its quite difficult to ezplain the style in words. Check this video out:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cd-FYwfUb2U&autoplay=1

This video gives a good overview of the slow pitch jigging style of fishing. The same type of concepts apply with bucktail jigs and soft plastics as well.

The critical requirement which I realised this year is that one needs the right rods for this game.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: garrickhunter on July 02, 2018, 10:41:40 PM
check this video on you tube---Jighead TV:Shore Jigging-Beginners guide and general overview[fishing in Dubai and UAE] Hope this helps those interested in slow jigging
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: sardinella on July 03, 2018, 06:39:56 AM
Thanks for the reply
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: bowsalekta on July 04, 2018, 06:02:17 PM
Hi Steenie and everyone here.

Ive just got back from Anerley Beach on the about Coast. I fished my arms off at Stebel Rock and at numerous points along the beach where we're staying. The sards were just behind the backiline and sadly out of my reach while the were getting smashed by birds and fish. Which brings me to my question about how far are the pros casting? Are you all reaching well behind the backline? 

For reference I would guess I'm getting at least 80-90m on a good cast with a chase spoon 45gr. Setup is a shimano sustain 5000, Diawa Excellor 10'6" 30-110gr rod and Gosen 30lb braid with a casting leader. I'm falling well short of the water behind the backline. Is this rod a bit heavy and not loading properly?
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on July 04, 2018, 06:20:25 PM
Hi Steenie and everyone here.

Ive just got back from Anerley Beach on the about Coast. I fished my arms off at Stebel Rock and at numerous points along the beach where we're staying. The sards were just behind the backiline and sadly out of my reach while the were getting smashed by birds and fish. Which brings me to my question about how far are the pros casting? Are you all reaching well behind the backline? 

For reference I would guess I'm getting at least 80-90m on a good cast with a chase spoon 45gr. Setup is a shimano sustain 5000, Diawa Excellor 10'6" 30-110gr rod and Gosen 30lb braid with a casting leader. I'm falling well short of the water behind the backline. Is this rod a bit heavy and not loading properly?

That’s a pity man! But the sard shoals have had very little gamefish with them except sharks so far. When you say 30 lb Gosen braid I assume its PE2 rating? 80 - 90 m on PE2 braid on the coast with our high humidity is not bad hey. But there is a big difference in casting performance between the PE1.5 and PE2 versions. With a casting leader you could consider scaling down to PE1.5, which will make a big difference to casting distance.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: bowsalekta on July 04, 2018, 08:14:50 PM
Hi Steenie and everyone here.

Ive just got back from Anerley Beach on the about Coast. I fished my arms off at Stebel Rock and at numerous points along the beach where we're staying. The sards were just behind the backiline and sadly out of my reach while the were getting smashed by birds and fish. Which brings me to my question about how far are the pros casting? Are you all reaching well behind the backline? 

For reference I would guess I'm getting at least 80-90m on a good cast with a chase spoon 45gr. Setup is a shimano sustain 5000, Diawa Excellor 10'6" 30-110gr rod and Gosen 30lb braid with a casting leader. I'm falling well short of the water behind the backline. Is this rod a bit heavy and not loading properly?

That’s a pity man! But the sard shoals have had very little gamefish with them except sharks so far. When you say 30 lb Gosen braid I assume its PE2 rating? 80 - 90 m on PE2 braid on the coast with our high humidity is not bad hey. But there is a big difference in casting performance between the PE1.5 and PE2 versions. With a casting leader you could consider scaling down to PE1.5, which will make a big difference to casting distance.

Hi Steenie, yes it's PE2.  Thanks for the reply. Should I also look at a 1-2 Oz rated rod instead of the heavier rod I have?
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on July 04, 2018, 08:21:40 PM
Hi Steenie and everyone here.

Ive just got back from Anerley Beach on the about Coast. I fished my arms off at Stebel Rock and at numerous points along the beach where we're staying. The sards were just behind the backiline and sadly out of my reach while the were getting smashed by birds and fish. Which brings me to my question about how far are the pros casting? Are you all reaching well behind the backline? 

For reference I would guess I'm getting at least 80-90m on a good cast with a chase spoon 45gr. Setup is a shimano sustain 5000, Diawa Excellor 10'6" 30-110gr rod and Gosen 30lb braid with a casting leader. I'm falling well short of the water behind the backline. Is this rod a bit heavy and not loading properly?

That’s a pity man! But the sard shoals have had very little gamefish with them except sharks so far. When you say 30 lb Gosen braid I assume its PE2 rating? 80 - 90 m on PE2 braid on the coast with our high humidity is not bad hey. But there is a big difference in casting performance between the PE1.5 and PE2 versions. With a casting leader you could consider scaling down to PE1.5, which will make a big difference to casting distance.

Hi Steenie, yes it's PE2.  Thanks for the reply. Should I also look at a 1-2 Oz rated rod instead of the heavier rod I have?

I would first just try the thinner braid with casting leader and see how it goes. Unless the rod is hampering your technique in any significant way.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: bowsalekta on July 04, 2018, 08:38:45 PM
Hi Steenie and everyone here.

Ive just got back from Anerley Beach on the about Coast. I fished my arms off at Stebel Rock and at numerous points along the beach where we're staying. The sards were just behind the backiline and sadly out of my reach while the were getting smashed by birds and fish. Which brings me to my question about how far are the pros casting? Are you all reaching well behind the backline? 

For reference I would guess I'm getting at least 80-90m on a good cast with a chase spoon 45gr. Setup is a shimano sustain 5000, Diawa Excellor 10'6" 30-110gr rod and Gosen 30lb braid with a casting leader. I'm falling well short of the water behind the backline. Is this rod a bit heavy and not loading properly?

That’s a pity man! But the sard shoals have had very little gamefish with them except sharks so far. When you say 30 lb Gosen braid I assume its PE2 rating? 80 - 90 m on PE2 braid on the coast with our high humidity is not bad hey. But there is a big difference in casting performance between the PE1.5 and PE2 versions. With a casting leader you could consider scaling down to PE1.5, which will make a big difference to casting distance.

Hi Steenie, yes it's PE2.  Thanks for the reply. Should I also look at a 1-2 Oz rated rod instead of the heavier rod I have?

I would first just try the thinner braid with casting leader and see how it goes. Unless the rod is hampering your technique in any significant way.
OK thanks.  I'll give it a bash and see.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Visenvryheid on July 05, 2018, 02:45:52 PM
Throw a 60 g-80g spoon instead too with that rod to load it properly..The 9'6" xxxh exceler is spot on for 45g and is rated 30-80g.. A 11ft rod rated at 1-2.5 oz with a slightly lighter 8 strand casting braid, ja that will give you that extra distance. I'd use a 10' myself off a point and 11' off the beach, if my arms were shorter I'd use a 9'6" off the point but the are looong...How have the winds been? Offshore? If casting with offshore behind you with the right light rod (with right guide setup) and an 1.5oz and sustain or stradic 5000 and right thickness braid, you should be able to get well over 100m. 120m Should be a breeze.If I take the same spoon and try throw it on a heavier rod I'll struggle to get 100m, same if I swop the line on the reel for a thicker line. Possible the rod not loading and the line too thick too..in addition, the chase spoon is right material is not the most aerodynamic for distance casting? The Alcock brothers or Wayne Stanley (seal point lures) sell the correct metal spoons that are all you need. More than that you'll have to figure out ;) One design for action needed when distance not important (chase work the same for that application), other shape for when distance needed, size to rod/rig and match the hatch, get 1.5 oz, 2 oz, 2.5 oz etc.. have back-ups of the ones most often stolen by fish..Use quickclips. Shine up with some water paper or wet sand at the beach..that will catch one fish. Either of the the spoons, I can't tell you how many times I just drop them behind a boat when we are on the move and am rewarded with a bonnie or leerie or even tuna, tail under the boat, drop it to the bottom and crank! I don't think the fancier stuff could outfish the stuff that's been trusted and tried. I can try something with jigskins and lifelike action or whatever and my mate will still outfish me with a piece of metal or a piece of DIY breadboard with no eyes. He will outfish me by good margin, reliably..:)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: FishStyx on July 05, 2018, 02:58:34 PM
Not sure about the newer Excellers but the old ones had awful guides. I replaced mine with Fuji K series and the casting difference was remarkable... Not to mention the fact that guide wraps during casting was all but eliminated. They were however, quite good blanks.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Visenvryheid on July 05, 2018, 03:08:51 PM
Ja, exceler guides are k@k. If getting a new rod, i'd get one off the bat with fuji k anti tangle layout..wouldn't even consider another.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: bowsalekta on July 05, 2018, 03:25:28 PM
Thanks guys for all the input. I will give the thinner PE rated lines a go to start. Yes the Excellor doesn't have the best guides. It is quite a stiff blank which may be adding to the problem as well as the line thickness. We had a few beautiful mornings wind wise and a few days of gales.  Mixed bag.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on July 05, 2018, 03:35:33 PM
Thanks guys for all the input. I will give the thinner PE rated lines a go to start. Yes the Excellor doesn't have the best guides. It is quite a stiff blank which may be adding to the problem as well as the line thickness. We had a few beautiful mornings wind wise and a few days of gales.  Mixed bag.

Sounds like the rod is not ideal for 45 g spoons and plugs. But you will be surprised what a big difference down-scaling from PE2 to PE1.5 braid makes ito casting distance. PE1.5 braid is the most popular amongst the serious spinnermen here in KZN. But if you still don’t get the distance you need it would be best to get a 1 - 2 oz rod with the right tip so that you can also effectively do jigging style spinning, which is hugely effective.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: bowsalekta on July 05, 2018, 03:50:23 PM
Cheapest solution to start would be different line as everyone is recommending. Then access rod and guides next.  With regards to the new Amia Zero rods I see there is a Heavy 1-2oz and a Xheavy 1-3oz.  Again I don't want to err on the heavy side if it's not necessary would the lighter one have a softer tip?
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on July 05, 2018, 05:36:45 PM
Cheapest solution to start would be different line as everyone is recommending. Then access rod and guides next.  With regards to the new Amia Zero rods I see there is a Heavy 1-2oz and a Xheavy 1-3oz.  Again I don't want to err on the heavy side if it's not necessary would the lighter one have a softer tip?

The 1 - 2 oz Amia Zero is a top-notch rod for throwing 45 g lures like spoons and plugs. The rod is not designed for shore slow jigging, which is a different game all together. All depends what type of spinning interest you have.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: bowsalekta on July 05, 2018, 06:30:56 PM
For now it will be just traditional spinning but have been watching slow jig fishing videos all afternoon and it looks really interesting!  I've never needed much of an excuse for another setup haha
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: bowsalekta on July 05, 2018, 08:03:07 PM
For now it will be just traditional spinning but have been watching slow jig fishing videos all afternoon and it looks really interesting!  I've never needed much of an excuse for another setup though. What type of rod locally would be suitable for this style of shore jigging?
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on July 05, 2018, 08:08:09 PM
For now it will be just traditional spinning but have been watching slow jig fishing videos all afternoon and it looks really interesting!  I've never needed much of an excuse for another setup though. What type of rod locally would be suitable for this style of shore jigging?

Majorcraft rods are exceptional for this purpose.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: bowsalekta on July 05, 2018, 09:27:19 PM
For now it will be just traditional spinning but have been watching slow jig fishing videos all afternoon and it looks really interesting!  I've never needed much of an excuse for another setup though. What type of rod locally would be suitable for this style of shore jigging?

Majorcraft rods are exceptional for this purpose.

Thanks Steenie.  Sid you have to import yours? I don't see a local agent. Also in which scenario did you find this technique to work? I see a lot of the overseas areas have access to deep water and calmer seas. Where on the Kzn coast could this work well?
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: FishStyx on July 05, 2018, 10:27:57 PM


Majorcraft rods are exceptional for this purpose.

Majorcraft rods are exceptional... Period.

I brought 2 in through eBay last year. I didn't buy direct from them but through a really good distributior in Singapore (I think it was Singapore) will definitely use them again. Let me know if you need their details bowsalekta.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Kes on July 09, 2018, 08:56:04 AM


Majorcraft rods are exceptional for this purpose.

Majorcraft rods are exceptional... Period.

I brought 2 in through eBay last year. I didn't buy direct from them but through a really good distributior in Singapore (I think it was Singapore) will definitely use them again. Let me know if you need their details bowsalekta.


Post it up here for all of us please..
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: FishStyx on July 09, 2018, 09:05:53 AM
I bought from a seller called Shimreels. I had read some fairly bad reviews on him from a few overseas forums but his eBay track record was good. I gave him very positive feedback. It was a good shopping experience.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on July 09, 2018, 09:08:03 AM
Majorcraft spinning rods are brought in and sold by Outdoors 365. The contact person is Wayne Easton. He is based in Amanzimtoti.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: FishStyx on July 09, 2018, 09:13:46 AM
I had no idea there was a local agent
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Zak-e-Boy on July 12, 2018, 09:23:34 AM
Riekert hi ! Any chance of giving us a "hands on" review on the BG 3000 which you have been using most recently, thank you, regards Peter.
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Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on July 12, 2018, 02:11:39 PM
Rickert hi ! Any chance of giving us a "hands on" review on the BG 3000 which you have been using most recently, thank you, regards Peter.
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Awesome reel for light tackle spinning. Pairs up excellently (in terms of weight balance and application) with my 10.6 ft 1 -2 oz Majorcraft N-one rod for slow jigging with spoons, bucktails and soft plastics where the retrieve speed is much slower than for full-on fast retrieve spinning with spoons and plugs. For really fast retrieving applications the Shimano Stradic 5000 or Twinpower 5000 certainly feels more comfortable. Having said that, I have caught a snoek of the beach this year with the BG3000 on fast retrieve. So it can certainly do the job when asked. Drag of BG3000 is ultra-smooth due to the Carbontex drag washers that the reel came out with. Line lay is perfect and wind knots is not an issue, even with a spool filled to the maximum.

Only problem I had so far is a drag knob that broke. However, the guys at The Kingfisher replaced it free of charge with a new drag knob. Reel is now more than 6 months old and get used very regularly (up to 5 days a week). And I am still very happy with it.

Look, when it comes to try and handle bigger fish in the bricks I will choose my Shimano Twinpower any day. But for light tackle fun from the sandy beaches and amongst some scattered reef its very good value for money in my humble opinion.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: FishStyx on July 12, 2018, 02:33:12 PM
(up to 5 days a week).


Dude... that's just not cool... That's way too much information for me to handle from this side of my desk.  :shk


 w;k
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on July 12, 2018, 02:39:33 PM
(up to 5 days a week).


Dude... that's just not cool... That's way too much information for me to handle from this side of my desk.  :shk
 
Hahahaha - ok for very short sessions mostly, 1 maybe 2 hours per session!

 w;k
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Zak-e-Boy on July 12, 2018, 10:42:20 PM
Thanks Riekert appreciate your input, I have both the Stradic 5000 and BG 3000 reels and I'm quite happy with both. There just seemed to be quite a bit of negativity around the BG's at the moment and I thought it would be a good idea to get some feedback from someone like yourself who is doing a lot more beach spinning than many of us.[size=78%]    [/size]
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on July 28, 2018, 04:00:13 PM
I am finding that the typical “summer” fish species change their habits during winter.

I am finding that they are not very aggressive and much more solitary (as one would expect). They want an easy meal, not spending a lot of energy hunting a lure down.

On this occasion faster retrieves styles produced zero bites, even when playing around with different lure colours. But I gradually slowed retrieve style down until a point was reached where the odd fish around could not resist my offering.

All fish were tagged and released.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on July 28, 2018, 04:01:56 PM
Largespot pompano on Majorcraft slow jigging spoon.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on July 28, 2018, 04:03:19 PM
Another largespot pompano on Majorcraft slow jigging spoon.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on July 28, 2018, 04:05:35 PM
Cheeky young GT kingfish on jighead. I don’t know if its the higher oxygen content of the colder seawater due to winter at the moment, but yoh this guy was really strong for its size amongst the reefs. Fish tagged and released.

Tackle used was a 10.6 ft Majorcraft N-one (30 - 60 g) shore slow jigging rod, Daiwa BG3000 reel and a 3/4 oz mad mullet jighead rigged with a 5 inch Z’Man StreakZ minnow in New Penny colour.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on July 28, 2018, 04:12:48 PM
Three feisty kingies on the 1.5 oz GT Icecream flat-face plug and CID green glow couta casting no 2 spoon. All fish were tagged and released after taking selfies.

The 10.6 ft (1 - 2 oz) Majorcraft N-one shore slow jigging rod is just something else. You can virtually do anything that you can think of with this rod in terms of variations in retrieve styles. Even with plugs you can, through the most gentle movement of your hands, translate some wicked darting movement to the lure through the rod’s most phenomenal tip action.

I am gradually learning that the lure type and colour you choose is only one element of the game, enticing the fish to actually hunt and grab it with full commitment is another critical element. And rod tip action either unlocks or limits the true potential to achieve this.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on July 28, 2018, 04:13:59 PM
GT on green glow couta casting no 2 spoon.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on July 28, 2018, 04:25:34 PM
GT on 1.5 oz GT Icecream flat-face plug.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: FishStyx on July 28, 2018, 10:00:37 PM
Lekker stuff mate... Thanks for keeping us landlocked anglers dreaming  :Like:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 16, 2018, 09:32:53 PM
Selfie time! This beautiful 88 cm fork length garrick ate a Alcock’s 1.5 oz bucktail jig that I casted into the deep foamy water situated on the inside of a sand bank on which big swell was thumping non-stop.

The fight on my light tackle was hard, and being solo made landing of the fish on the steep beach with big shorebreak challenging. Fortunately the hookup was perfect in corner of the mouth.

Selfie quality is not the best, but the only priority was to get the fish safely back into the water ASAP after tagging it with an ORI tag.

Tackle used was a 10.6 ft (30 - 60 g) Majorcraft N-one shore slow jigging rod paired with a Daiwa BG3000 reel.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 16, 2018, 09:35:05 PM
I got lucky with garrick this week and landed a second fish. This 75 cm fork length garrick ate a Alcock’s 1.5 oz bucktail jig. It ate the lure on the drop before I flicked the reel’s bailarm over. Despite the fast reaction bite the hookup was perfect in corner of the mouth.

The fish was returned safely back into the water after tagging it with an ORI tag.

Tackle used was a 10.6 ft (30 - 60 g) Majorcraft N-one shore slow jigging rod paired with a Daiwa BG3000 reel.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: garrickhunter on August 16, 2018, 09:38:43 PM
Good one.Well done
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: CRANKMAN on August 17, 2018, 08:28:53 AM
Brilliant mate!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: REEFMAN on August 17, 2018, 09:07:47 AM
Superb catches Riekert!!  (clap)
Think you forgot your own Birthday... http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=23096.0 (http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=23096.0)
 :hehe:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: BJR on August 17, 2018, 02:12:11 PM
Wel gedaan Riekert...... :cgrts: ....... Jy het seker hard gewerk vir hom ?
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 17, 2018, 02:15:25 PM
Superb catches Riekert!!  (clap)
Think you forgot your own Birthday... [url]http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=23096.0[/url] ([url]http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=23096.0[/url])
 :hehe:


Hahahaha - yes 3 days late!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 17, 2018, 02:16:12 PM
Wel gedaan Riekert...... :cgrts: ....... Jy het seker hard gewerk vir hom ?

Absoluut, jy ken die storie, hulle kom baie selde maklik!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: BJR on August 17, 2018, 09:12:08 PM
Ek het seker nie jou vorige posts gelees na jy die Majorcraft aangeskaf het nie, maar vertel n bietjie meer tov jou nuwe stok, die 10.6 ft (30 - 60 g) Majorcraft N-one shore, sy Aksie, die ligste lure & tipe wat jy gooi & hoe "perform" hy.
Het jy die voorreg gehad om die ander modelle in die N - One series te toets & vas te hou , oa. die 10' , sienende dat Outdoor 365 Equipment meer n On-Line verkoper is.
Ek het met Wayne gechat, & hy noem dat daar vele stokke is wat ligter lures met gemak sal hanteer.
Ek merk meeste vd stokke se ratings is 30g & hoër.
Vir die prys wat n mens betaal vir die Majorcraft sal n mens graag n stok in jou hand wil hou alvorens jy jou besluit neem....dus maak dit n redelike moeilike besluit so uit die vuis uit.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 18, 2018, 04:35:51 PM
Ek het seker nie jou vorige posts gelees na jy die Majorcraft aangeskaf het nie, maar vertel n bietjie meer tov jou nuwe stok, die 10.6 ft (30 - 60 g) Majorcraft N-one shore, sy Aksie, die ligste lure & tipe wat jy gooi & hoe "perform" hy.
Het jy die voorreg gehad om die ander modelle in die N - One series te toets & vas te hou , oa. die 10' , sienende dat Outdoor 365 Equipment meer n On-Line verkoper is.
Ek het met Wayne gechat, & hy noem dat daar vele stokke is wat ligter lures met gemak sal hanteer.
Ek merk meeste vd stokke se ratings is 30g & hoër.
Vir die prys wat n mens betaal vir die Majorcraft sal n mens graag n stok in jou hand wil hou alvorens jy jou besluit neem....dus maak dit n redelike moeilike besluit so uit die vuis uit.

Its a phenomenal rod - once you start using one it becomes extremely hard to go back to anything else. It throws 30 - 60 g, with 50 g being the top end of optimal casting performance in my opinion. It deals extremely well with 28 g lures and up. It has huge backbone so it can handle big fish. Having it at 10.6 ft is ideal for KZN conditions, because you often need great casting distance here. Its tip action is in a class of its own for a rod of 10.6 ft long. It really bring lures to life, even with plugs one can introduce some deady skidding and popping type action just by utilizing the tip of rod in subtle ways.

It throws 1.5 oz bucktail jigs a mile, but more importantly the rod action brings them to life. For the first time we are really getting to grips with bucktail jigs here in KZN and we are catching some serious fish on them.




Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: BJR on August 23, 2018, 11:56:45 AM
Thks Riekert.......altyd interesant om jou ondervinding van "tackle performance" te lees.  :tite
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on September 02, 2018, 09:06:42 PM
Another garrick on bucktail jig. This fish attacked a 1.5 oz Spro glow bucktail jig on a long cast out to a deep sand bank before sunrise. Safely tagged and released.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: hrogers on September 02, 2018, 10:35:29 PM
Nice Garrick !! Well done
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: colin on September 03, 2018, 07:14:10 AM
 :cgrts:  you are da man . :toppie:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 20, 2018, 05:38:06 PM
The 40 g gold-pink Majorcraft Jigpara slow spoon is simply deadly once the sun is up. The relentless side current thats been around for ages finally gave me a break to do some slow pitch jigging and the largespot pompanos went wild despite the still very rough sea. Caught 5 of them quick quick. And another one on a 3/4 oz Tiny Jigs bucktail jig. All fish safely released. Here are some pics.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 20, 2018, 05:39:25 PM
On slow pitch jigging spoon.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: sardinella on October 21, 2018, 10:39:18 AM
Nice catches there Riekert.
Are all the hooks really neccesary? Seems overkill to me but then I do not have any experience with this method.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 21, 2018, 01:14:07 PM
Nice catches there Riekert.
Are all the hooks really neccesary? Seems overkill to me but then I do not have any experience with this method.

From my experience you need one hook at the bottom and one hook at the top. The Zoc assists that I use are really good and come as singles, tandems and duels. So one can play around with the configuration. If you remove the hook at the bottom you start to miss bites, especially when fish attacks the lure during an upward pitch. At the same spot I got those largespot pompanos I also got two shad and they both attacked on upward pitch. Both were caught on bottom assist . All the largespot pompanos took the lure on the flutter between pitches and all of them were hooked on the top assists.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 21, 2018, 01:18:50 PM
The Zoc assists that I am experimenting with.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: sardinella on October 21, 2018, 03:45:38 PM
Ok, so fish grab the lure differently due to the erratic nuture of the action
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 21, 2018, 03:51:27 PM
Ok, so fish grab the lure differently due to the erratic nuture of the action

100% correct. And the same species attack the lure differently on different days. I guess it all depends on their feeding activity. A fascinating game this!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Gordon on October 22, 2018, 08:19:44 AM
Hi Riekert


Well done on your catches. Thank you for always willing to share your information. I am struggling to find Majorcraft jigs in the local fishing shops. Do you import your own jigs? if not..where do you source these jigs from? Please let me know.

Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: nabeel6061 on October 22, 2018, 08:29:35 AM
Definitely one of my favourite threads. Lots of great info   :tkx:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 22, 2018, 09:22:40 AM
Hi Riekert


Well done on your catches. Thank you for always willing to share your information. I am struggling to find Majorcraft jigs in the local fishing shops. Do you import your own jigs? if not..where do you source these jigs from? Please let me know.

Wayne Easton from Outdoors 365 brings them in. He is based here in Durban. Good idea to connect with him on Facebook. If you send me private message I can give you his cell number as well. Fishing Addicts tackle shop in Clairwood (Durban) also stocks some.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 22, 2018, 09:23:14 AM
Definitely one of my favourite threads. Lots of great info   :tkx:

Glad it’s useful!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: jonathanw on October 22, 2018, 11:55:30 AM
Hi Steenie,

Could you possibly give me short description of how slow jigging works, what kind of tackle is generally used?

Best regards

Jonathan
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 22, 2018, 12:04:39 PM
Hi Steenie,

Could you possibly give me short description of how slow jigging works, what kind of tackle is generally used?

Best regards

Jonathan

Hi there are you on Facebook? If you are I have started a new Facebook group about 2 months ago called “Shore Slow Jigging South Africa”. On the group you will find a lot of content and discussion about slow jigging, including some videos thats been uploaded. Work in progress, by no means a completed resource of information.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 22, 2018, 12:06:50 PM
Here is the link to my Facebook group:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/483115365462037/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/483115365462037/)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: jonathanw on October 22, 2018, 12:14:47 PM
Thanks Steenie :Like:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: fishatic on October 22, 2018, 02:04:59 PM
http://youtu.be/ftZ9S3oQq3w (http://youtu.be/ftZ9S3oQq3w)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on October 26, 2018, 06:35:44 PM
[url]https://youtu.be/ftZ9S3oQq3w[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/ftZ9S3oQq3w[/url])


This is a very good video ito introduction of the basic retrieve techniques. Their volume order is a bit crazy. Volume 4 should actually have preceded Volume 1 - 3!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on November 29, 2018, 06:40:50 AM
Nice greenspot kingfish caught on 3/4 oz Spro Chartreuse bucktail jig with my Majorcraft N-one rod and Daiwa BG3000 reel.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: emjay on November 29, 2018, 07:57:10 AM
Baie mooi!

What sort of retrieve did you use if I may ask?
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on November 29, 2018, 08:56:29 AM
Baie mooi!

What sort of retrieve did you use if I may ask?

Varying number (1 - 4) short twitches (with rapid interval between them) of N-one rod tip followed by a short pause before starting the next twitch routine. Pauses was kept short due to foul structure and relatively shallow water. 3/4 oz bucktail jig works very well under such conditions to prevent one from getting stuck easily.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 21, 2018, 10:23:16 PM
Some solid shad (elf) on white 1.5 oz GT Icecream flat-face plug and CID pink glow couta casting no 2 spoon. Two of them measured out at 60 cm fork length. The fish dinners were good!

The greenspot (brassy) kingfish was tagged and released.

From the moment of landing the fish it was kept head first in a fold up bucket with sea water. I grab the folded up bucket from my easily accessible waist bag, fill the bucket with water, and place the fish head first into the bucket. Then you can take your time walking (or wading from a ledge for example) to your tackle bag, getting the tagging kit out and setting the phone up for photo. In this way the gills of the fish is never out of water for more than a few seconds at a time and the vital parts of fish is kept free of beach sand. All of this calms the fish down. This also ensures that your hands are always wet when handling the fish.

I have implemented this system recently and all the fish that I tag in this fashion swim of immediately and very strongly. This works really well even when being solo, at least for fish with heads that do not exceed my bucket diameter!

Tackle used: 10.3 ft Majorcraft X-ride (30 - 100 g) shore jigging/plugging rod, Shimano Twinpower 5000 reel with 20 lb Berkeley black velvet braid.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 21, 2018, 10:24:39 PM
 Brassy kingie tagged and released as described above.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Lofty on December 22, 2018, 01:43:29 AM
Very nice catches,well done Steenie!My favourite fish to eat and always best as fresh as can be is Elf,I just love them!I don't know if I'm  :nuts: or going  :nuts: ,but the one Elf looks a bit smaller than the other..lol,the one closer to the rod being the bigger probably 60cm Elf.. :dunno:


Not disputing at all that even the smaller one is also size.. :lolo: :win:



Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Willie on December 22, 2018, 08:17:38 AM
 :resp:  Steenie at the rate you are catching, if they were not released there will soon be nothing left for us to catch  :hehe:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 22, 2018, 03:52:54 PM
Very nice catches,well done Steenie!My favourite fish to eat and always best as fresh as can be is Elf,I just love them!I don't know if I'm  :nuts: or going  :nuts: ,but the one Elf looks a bit smaller than the other..lol,the one closer to the rod being the bigger probably 60cm Elf.. :dunno:


Not disputing at all that even the smaller one is also size.. :lolo: :win:

Hahaha no problem! I got the first one (60 cm) on the first morning  (first pic). The photo with the two shad next to rod was the next morning. The one closest to rod was also 60 cm.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 22, 2018, 03:53:52 PM
:resp:  Steenie at the rate you are catching, if they were not released there will soon be nothing left for us to catch  :hehe:

Hahahahaha!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: emjay on December 24, 2018, 06:37:56 PM
Awesome stuff! I always look forward to the next post from you with a fish in your hands and a lure in its mouth
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on December 24, 2018, 06:42:32 PM
Awesome stuff! I always look forward to the next post from you with a fish in your hands and a lure in its mouth

Thank you man - its pure passion and addiction that makes ones push through 1000’s of casts and retrieves for that next bite!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on January 04, 2019, 10:16:47 PM
Nice to open my 2019 spinning account with a feisty and very hungry kingie in tough sea and wind conditions.

The fish nearly fully enhaled the CID green glow couta casting no 2 spoon. Gave a great fight in the turbulent water amongst some foul reef. Tagged and released this 53 cm fork length specimen after a selfie. Fish was kept with its head submerged in a bucket of sea water the whole time and swam of strongly.

Tackle used: 10.3 ft Majorcraft X-ride (30 - 100 g) shore jigging/plugging rod, Shimano Twinpower 5000 reel, 20 lb Berkeley black velvet braid, 35 lb JDB 8-weave braid casting leader and 0.67 mm Bite-me fluorocarbon leader.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Lofty on January 05, 2019, 12:10:14 AM
Very well done again Steenie,and it sounds like a very nice spinning setup used too... :clwn I bought a 9ft 10-30g Major Craft Firstcast spinning rod here in Dubai a while ago and recently a Shimano excense 3000 that I want to use on it,hoping to test them soon... :-)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on January 05, 2019, 08:33:21 PM
Very well done again Steenie,and it sounds like a very nice spinning setup used too... :clwn I bought a 9ft 10-30g Major Craft Firstcast spinning rod here in Dubai a while ago and recently a Shimano excense 3000 that I want to use on it,hoping to test them soon... :-)

Sounds like an awesome rod! Enjoy and please report back!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on January 10, 2019, 08:12:15 AM
Working some great structure with bucktail jigs and slow pitch jigging spoons.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on January 10, 2019, 08:13:48 AM
The result - nice shad on a 3/4 oz Mustad glow colour bucktail jig.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on January 10, 2019, 08:18:35 AM
Same structure also held some nice wave garricks. They wanted the couta casting no 1 (28 g) spoon in green glow. Normally they are all over the slow pitch jigging spoons, but not during this session. Each time I put this spoon on I got a pull straight away. Landed 3 of these beauties on it. Fascinating how the mood of fish varies from session to session!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: FishStyx on January 10, 2019, 08:48:41 AM
Lovely stuff... I'm constantly amazed at how fickle fish's preferences can be. Should probably start referring to all fish as "her".
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Post by: Steenie on January 10, 2019, 08:52:17 AM
Lovely stuff... I'm constantly amazed at how fickle fish's preferences can be. Should probably start referring to all fish as "her".

Hahahaha! And its not only spoon size and shape. The same no 1 spoon in red-head colour did not give me a single bump! Green glow it had to be!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on March 03, 2019, 12:14:11 PM
Some shore slow pitch jigging fun with the 15 and 20 g Majorcraft Jigpara spoons.

Throwing them with an 11 ft Majorcraft X-ride Hira rod (10 - 45 g) allows for exceptional casting distances to clear long lips from the beach on early morning high tides and then jigging the small spoons with a rod that offers precision control over the power (strength) of the pitching technique.

Join our local shore slow jigging community at:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/483115365462037/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/483115365462037/)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Kent on March 04, 2019, 08:40:19 AM
 :bow: Nicely done Riekert..you certainly have come on leaps n bounds since embarking on this art lure journey of yours.... (clap)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on March 04, 2019, 09:13:58 AM
:bow: Nicely done Riekert..you certainly have come on leaps n bounds since embarking on this art lure journey of yours.... (clap)

Thank you Kent.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: soupcan on March 14, 2019, 10:46:38 AM
Throwing them with an 11 ft Majorcraft X-ride Hira rod (10 - 45 g) allows for exceptional casting distances to clear long lips from the beach...

What sort of distance are you making here please?
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on March 14, 2019, 10:51:43 AM
Up to about 100 m if I must guess with the 20 g Jigpara slow spoon. Never measured it though. All I know is that I get them way over lips where bucktail jigs and soft plastics don’t (on the same rod, reel and line).
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on March 14, 2019, 10:57:57 AM
Some feisty young GTs here in Durban on a 3/4 oz bucktail jig designed by Tommo and on Berkley 5” plastics rigged on a 1 oz jighead. Jigging these lures until you get a bite has become seriously addictive to me!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Kent on March 14, 2019, 11:23:52 AM
 :corrct: Nice one Riekert...good fishing indeed...
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: fishatic on March 14, 2019, 06:14:46 PM
Some feisty young GTs here in Durban on a 3/4 oz bucktail jig designed by Tommo and on Berkley 5” plastics rigged on a 1 oz jighead. Jigging these lures until you get a bite has become seriously addictive to me!
Why more folks don't put a plastic on a bucktail more often is a mystery.
Curly tail grubs work a treat
Riekert - have a look for otter tails.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on March 14, 2019, 10:31:14 PM
Some feisty young GTs here in Durban on a 3/4 oz bucktail jig designed by Tommo and on Berkley 5” plastics rigged on a 1 oz jighead. Jigging these lures until you get a bite has become seriously addictive to me!
Why more folks don't put a plastic on a bucktail more often is a mystery.
Curly tail grubs work a treat
Riekert - have a look for otter tails.

I agree with you. All my garrick last year, and that fabulous cob of 9kg, were on 1.5 oz bucktail jigs with some form of plastics attached to them. However, when you go sub 1 oz, I think there is merit in keeping things minimalistic sometimes. Smaller profile lures are renowned for getting bites on some days when bigger, or noisier, lures don’t. I am finding this with the 40 vs 20 vs 15 g slow jigging spoons for example. As with anything in this game there is no universal recipe. It makes sense to make a big lure even bigger or noisier, but when you go smaller I think the variations in strategy becomes more important. In fact, adding plastics to smaller bucktails could in some cases compromise the reason why one selected them in the first place.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on March 15, 2019, 10:03:07 PM
Trusty CID pink glow couta casting no 2 spoon delivering for me once again. 88 cm forklength snoek hooked on my second cast after starting the spinning session long before sunrise.

Tackle used: Shimano Twinpower 5000 reel with 20 lb Berkley Black Velvet braid on my 10.3 ft Majorcraft X-ride 30 - 100 g plugging/jigging rod. The softer tip of this beast of a rod is great with fish that have strong head shakes during the fight.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: FishStyx on March 16, 2019, 10:22:22 AM
Nice fish... Thanks for keeping up the posts.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Visenvryheid on March 16, 2019, 11:36:36 AM
And that little "eastern little tuna" lying next to the snoek? Ouch, where is your heavy spinning stick and multiplier with some 0.55 on it when you need it?!  :-) :-)  (clap) Nice snoek, but that little tasty morsel next to it would make quite the swimbait to let go back out for something bigger!
Lekker reports man..
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on March 16, 2019, 12:58:05 PM
And that little "eastern little tuna" lying next to the snoek? Ouch, where is your heavy spinning stick and multiplier with some 0.55 on it when you need it?!  :-) :-)  (clap) Nice snoek, but that little tasty morsel next to it would make quite the swimbait to let go back out for something bigger!
Lekker reports man..

Hahaha, I kept one of my fishing ski friends happy with that bonnie. He is going to use it in a fishing ski competition soon as couta bait. I told him that it will bring him luck!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: BJR on March 19, 2019, 01:33:19 PM
Welgedaan met jou afgelope vangste Riekert..... :win:.....ek dink menigte ouens beny jou.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on March 21, 2019, 05:40:11 PM
Welgedaan met jou afgelope vangste Riekert..... :win:.....ek dink menigte ouens beny jou.

Baie dankie!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on March 21, 2019, 05:43:41 PM
Been aching for a pink glow spoon in the shore slow jigging game for ages! I finally have one to test in two different shapes. Two sessions, two kingies. Young fish, but this spoon is sending out a clear message. Its going to catch plenty of fish. I still need to test its green glow counterpart that’s in my tackle bag, and both in the shorter, broader, shape.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on March 21, 2019, 05:45:00 PM
Sorry, don’t know why the photos came through upside down!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: FishStyx on March 21, 2019, 05:54:06 PM
Sorry, don’t know why the photos came through upside down!

Did you catch those kingies in Oz?  w;k
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on March 21, 2019, 06:21:50 PM
Sorry, don’t know why the photos came through upside down!

Did you catch those kingies in Oz?  w;k

Hahaha!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on March 25, 2019, 08:03:44 PM
When one watch the multitude of shore slow pitch jigging videos on Youtube the setting is nearly always super flat sea conditions, a situation far removed from local reality here in South Africa.

Hence, it is logical to question whether the technique, commonly called “shore slow”, is applicable to South African conditions. Are the content shown in these, mostly Japanese, videos relevant to us?

In my own learnings with the technique I have developed an opinion that the technique is directly applicable to our sea conditions. You need a good slow jigging rod to really unlock all the technical aspects involved, but the technique, per se, is identical to that in Japan and other countries. We just have more days that the conditions are not conducive to apply shore slow technique properly. When one starts to identify the right time and place for the technique it becomes a hugely effective artlure strategy.

In this particular pre-sunrise session I could not raise a single bite with conventional glow spoons. Switching to a shore slow jigging glow spoon attracted a bite on the first cast by applying typical slow pitch jigging technique during the retrieve. This greenspot kingfish could not resist this 40 g green glow slow jigging spoon and ate the spoon on a long pause between pitches during the downward flutter in deep water in front of a rock ledge. The intensity of the bites on shore slow is phenomenal.

Join our local shore slow jigging community at:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/483115365462037/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/483115365462037/)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on March 31, 2019, 07:39:00 PM
I caught this frigate tuna from the rocks on a 40 g pink glow shore slow pitch jigging spoon at sunrise.

After casting the glow spoon far out with my Majorcraft rod and letting the spoon flutter down and hitting the sea floor I initially explored the deeper parts of the water column just above the sea floor by keeping pitch numbers low between pauses.

Without attracting any interest I decided to pitch the spoon all the way up to just below the water surface in short quick darts and then pausing for long so that it can flutter back down towards the sea floor. This fished latched onto the spoon about 3 seconds into the pause, probably somewhere in mid-water.

Its facinating what variations are possible within a single cast and retrieve.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on March 31, 2019, 07:40:05 PM
Close up view with that yummy pink glow spoon.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on May 03, 2019, 11:26:23 AM
Always great when you are busy spinning for natal snoek (queen mackerel) and you have retrieved the spoon out of the queens neighborhood without getting a bite straight into another neighborhood where the bullies of the reef are hungy and unexpectedly hitting the spoon hard with great surface commotion!

These feisty bullies were caught on the couta casting pink glow no 2 spoon and tagged and released to grow bigger so that they can become the chiefs in charge of the reef.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: REEFMAN on May 03, 2019, 11:36:01 AM
Nice! Such healthy looking fish!! Proper bullies!
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Post by: Steenie on May 03, 2019, 11:40:44 AM
Nice! Such healthy looking fish!! Proper bullies!

Healthy and feisty on light tackle! I think these two chaps have a bright future ahead of them.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on May 04, 2019, 10:22:50 AM
Bonnies on shore slow pitch jigging spoons.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: FishStyx on May 04, 2019, 11:29:25 AM
It must be great fun catching mini gas bottles from the shore...  :envy
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on May 04, 2019, 12:05:16 PM
It must be great fun catching mini gas bottles from the shore...  :envy

Its lovely!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: colin on May 04, 2019, 05:32:06 PM
 :bow: :bow: :cgrts:  , maybe when I am big I will catch one from the side  :toppie:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: sardinella on May 05, 2019, 11:12:08 AM
Nice catches there Riekert.
What 40 gram spoons would you recommend for a startup and where to buy them from.
Thanks
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on May 05, 2019, 11:39:12 AM
Nice catches there Riekert.
What 40 gram spoons would you recommend for a startup and where to buy them from.
Thanks

I would recommend going with the 40 g Majorcraft Jigpara Slow spoons. They are deadly. The zebra glow colour have given me many bites. There are some pink and green glow Z’Slow spoons currently under development. But they are not yet available. I have been testing some of their prototypes and they are producing bites.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: sardinella on May 05, 2019, 02:13:32 PM
Thanks Riekert.
Does anyone know which retailer will sell the Jigpara spoons?
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Post by: colin on May 05, 2019, 03:19:42 PM
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Did you catch those kingies in Oz?  w;k




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Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on May 05, 2019, 03:29:04 PM
Thanks Riekert.
Does anyone know which retailer will sell the Jigpara spoons?

I suggest you chat to Wayne Easton. Contact details will be on the Outdoors 365 website.
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Post by: sardinella on May 05, 2019, 04:01:23 PM
Thanks Riekert
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Post by: Steenie on June 22, 2019, 01:25:12 PM
A first for me. Blacktail on a bucktail jig. 3/4 oz Spro glow bucktail jig slowly jigged behind a barely submerged piece of scattered reef.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on June 22, 2019, 01:27:25 PM
Trustworthy pink glow couta casting no2 spoon doing the trick with this nice greenspot (brassy) kingfish.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on July 04, 2019, 05:41:09 PM
My 2019 winter garrick campaign opened with a very good fish on a 1.5 oz bucktail jig.

The fish hit the bucktail jig a few times during the retrieve but I just continued to jig the lure until I got pulled flat!

It turned out to be a very hard fight because the fish got foul-hooked in the dorsal fin. It stripped a lot of 20 lb braid off the reel and towed me a good distance down the beach.

I fought the fish very gently, because it felt like a huge garrick (because of the way it was foul-hooked) and I wanted to tire the fish out before bringing it into the treacherous shore-break. That was a good strategy because the hook would certainly have pulled if I tried to pressure the fish too much.

This beauty was released to fight another day.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Lofty on July 04, 2019, 05:55:50 PM
wow,nice Garrick that,well done...bucktails are such simple things but probably one of the most deadly and underrated of all lures... :win: :cgrts: :grk:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: colin on July 05, 2019, 07:59:55 AM
 :cgrts: :cgrts: :grk:  of note . :toppie:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Willie on July 05, 2019, 01:35:03 PM
Eish Steenie, :cgrts:  beauty.  :envy
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on July 05, 2019, 09:40:28 PM
Some soft plastic bites on the 5” Berkeley jerkshads.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: REEFMAN on July 07, 2019, 01:08:30 PM
Great catches! Stunning Garrick!!  :shk

What weight Jigheads are those, they look quite large?
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on July 07, 2019, 01:17:33 PM
Great catches! Stunning Garrick!!  :shk

What weight Jigheads are those, they look quite large?

Thanks man! The rock cod was on a 3/4 oz Mad Mullet with 5/0 hook. And the two kingies were on a 1 oz TT lure headlock jighead with 7/0 hook.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Poenskop on July 08, 2019, 03:59:49 PM
 Nice fish. May I ask where did you source you Headlock jigheads from?
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on July 08, 2019, 04:17:09 PM
Nice fish. May I ask where did you source you Headlock jigheads from?

A tackle shop in Westville used to sell them. But they no longer do. So I bought up all the stock that they had left. It will be great if anyone can let us know who still stocks them!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Poenskop on July 09, 2019, 11:49:38 AM
Thanks. The only ones I could find was from Aus and US shops. The shipping makes it not viable.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: BJR on July 09, 2019, 08:12:27 PM
Would it not be an option to try out the importer of Z-Man bass tackle nl. Thornveld Angling or Bass Wharehouse in Hillcrest to import some TT headlock jigheads ?

Z-man & TT has some form of partnership & it should not be difficult for Thornveld Angling to assist....

Just an idea.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on July 09, 2019, 08:50:50 PM
Would it not be an option to try out the importer of Z-Man bass tackle nl. Thornveld Angling or Bass Wharehouse in Hillcrest to import some TT headlock jigheads ?

Z-man & TT has some form of partnership & it should not be difficult for Thornveld Angling to assist....

Just an idea.

Certainly worth the try! I am well stocked with these 1 oz and 1.5 oz jigheads, because I bought up what I could lay my hands on. So I have enough for a few years.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 12, 2019, 10:07:41 PM
Managed to successfully extract this lovely 90 cm cob out of its very foul ambush location in reef.

It ate a 30 g clear blue CID slimbait probably 10 m from my feet. Needless to say, the fight with this very angry fish at short range amongst very foul reef was hectic! Fortunately I used a braid casting leader, which just managed to hold on. The braid leader was in tatters after the fight.

This beauty of a fish was safely released and swam off very strong.

Tackle used: Majorcraft X-ride 10.3 ft 30 - 100 g plugging rod with a BG4000 magsealed reel spooled with PE1.5 Grinder 8-weave braid. At the front end I had a 3.5 m length of 35 lb (PE2.5) JDB 8-weave braid casting leader and a 1.5 m section of 0.68 mm fluorocarbon leader tied to a Swannel quick clip. Both the fluorocarbon and braid leaders joined with FG knots.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 12, 2019, 10:09:36 PM
I have caught a good number of queen mackerel (natal snoek) from the shore on conventional fast retrieve spoons, but this 80 cm fork length specimen is my first one on shore slow pitch jigging! This fish ate a 40 g Majorcraft Jigpara long spoon in zebra glow colour. The duel assist hooks hooked the fish perfectly in the top jaw.

Tackle used: 10.6 ft Majorcraft N-one (30 - 60 g) slow jigging rod, Daiwa BG3000 spinning reel and 20 lb Sufix131 braid.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 12, 2019, 10:10:52 PM
Spoon pic
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 12, 2019, 10:12:22 PM
Proper snoek!
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 12, 2019, 10:14:47 PM
Nothing beats getting a bite on your first cast of the morning. Third twitch of the lure and it was ON!

This GT kingfish ate a 30 g Chartreuse CID slimbait.

This fish was safely released and swam off very happy.

Tackle used: Majorcraft X-ride 10.3 ft 30 - 100 g plugging rod with a BG4000 magsealed reel spooled with PE1.5 Grinder 8-weave braid. At the front end I had a 3.5 m length of 35 lb (PE2.5) JDB 8-weave braid casting leader and a 1.5 m section of 0.68 mm fluorocarbon leader tied to a Swannel quick clip. Both the fluorocarbon and braid leaders joined with FG knots.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: phumba72 on August 13, 2019, 03:16:51 PM
Steenie, you do have the magical touch. Well done on the lovely catches. I just spent the long weekend down at the Coast - Umkomaas and fished Greenpoint, and Umdoni point. From before sunrise until the afternoon. No luck spinning. I tired CID's Kingfisher 1 V, Couta as well as a few others and nothing seemed to bite. Fast retrieve and slow retrieve. I know its all about luck and perseverance so I am in no way disheartened. the one question I have, and please don give the exact location, but where do you spend most of your time fishing?  :tkx:
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 14, 2019, 08:44:18 PM
Another, smaller, natal snoek (queen mackerel) on shore slow pitch jigging. 40 g Majorcraft jigpara long spoon in zebra glow colour.

Tackle used: 10.6 ft Majorcraft N-one 30 - 60 g slow jigging rod, Daiwa BG3000 reel with 20 lb Sufix131 braid.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 14, 2019, 08:45:59 PM
Another, smaller, natal snoek (queen mackerel) on shore slow pitch jigging. 40 g Majorcraft jigpara long spoon in zebra glow colour.

Tackle used: 10.6 ft Majorcraft N-one 30 - 60 g slow jigging rod, Daiwa BG3000 reel with 20 lb Sufix131 braid.

Most of the time Durban area. And on the odd occasion St Lucia - Cape Vidal.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on August 27, 2019, 05:58:04 PM
66 cm fork length shad (elf) on a 30 g CID slimbait in Chartreuse colour. Safely released after the photo.

Tackle used: 10.3 ft Majorcraft X-ride 30 - 100 g rod, Daiwa Magsealed 4000 reel and 20 lb Grinder 8x braid.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: MIKE PIKE on August 27, 2019, 07:07:29 PM
 (clap) proper shad..
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: emjay on August 28, 2019, 05:38:08 AM
Yoh that is a bus!! Well done on the catch and even more well done on the release
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Adams on September 01, 2019, 09:13:05 PM
Another, smaller, natal snoek (queen mackerel) on shore slow pitch jigging. 40 g Majorcraft jigpara long spoon in zebra glow colour.

Tackle used: 10.6 ft Majorcraft N-one 30 - 60 g slow jigging rod, Daiwa BG3000 reel with 20 lb Sufix131 braid.

Good evening.
The pic in this post shows your Jigpara Slow Spoon without the Single hook at the back.
Have you removed it?
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on September 05, 2019, 11:36:27 AM
Another, smaller, natal snoek (queen mackerel) on shore slow pitch jigging. 40 g Majorcraft jigpara long spoon in zebra glow colour.

Tackle used: 10.6 ft Majorcraft N-one 30 - 60 g slow jigging rod, Daiwa BG3000 reel with 20 lb Sufix131 braid.

Good evening.
The pic in this post shows your Jigpara Slow Spoon without the Single hook at the back.
Have you removed it?

Hi, yes I removed it on this occasion because the particular spot comes with quite high snagging risk. Removing the bottom hook lowers snagging risk. But fish hookup rate also declines somewhat. So its a trade-off to consider on merit.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on September 13, 2019, 02:06:36 PM
Had to sit on the sideline for a full 2 weeks due to a small operation. But on Monday the Dr gave me the thumbs up to get back onto the playing field.

So going tight with a proper natal snoek to get back into the groove was simply delightful!

This snoek ate a CID pink glow couta casting no 2 spoon.

Tackle used: Majorcraft X-ride 10.3 ft 30 - 100 g slow jigging rod paired with a Daiwa BG4000 magsealed reel filled with 20 lb Grinder 8x braid, 50 lb JDB braid casting leader and 56 lb Bite Me Fluorocarbon leader.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on September 13, 2019, 02:13:13 PM
Sorry, I have no clue why the photo is upside down or how to fix it on this platform.
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: FishStyx on September 13, 2019, 02:28:21 PM
Sorry, I have no clue why the photo is upside down or how to fix it on this platform.


Fishing in Oz  :-)
Title: Re: A learning experience
Post by: Steenie on September 13, 2019, 02:31:22 PM
Sorry, I have no clue why the photo is upside down or how to fix it on this platform.


Fishing in Oz  :-)

Looks like it yes!