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General Angling Topics => Rock and Surf Traces and Rigs => Topic started by: REEFMAN on May 15, 2011, 05:56:45 PM
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There are many different ways to make Wind-on leaders... my preferred way is to do the Double Splice (http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php/topic,64.0.html), but many say it's overkill, and it's also much more difficult to do than this simple version.
So here is my version of making your own Single Splice Wind-on leaders...
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. :bow: :shre: .... :udman: ... + sum Cred ... :win:
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Gee Reefz... you've been busy this weekend!
Another winner!!!! Only on.... (you guessed it!): :ult:
:tkx: +cred!
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Now there's a bullet- proof windon , nice one Tony.. (clap) .. (clap) .. :shre: .
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the man at it again.
well done
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Thanks Tony for a great post, your steps on how to are allways so easy to follow. (clap)
Have some more cred.
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Excellent post. :udman: :shre:
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Tony thanks, will try it first time I have some free time at home alone.
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Cool guys, just remember to stick to the Size chart... don't use Dacron that is too big for the mono...
(http://africanaquatics.co.za/FISHING/Fishing%20stuff/WIND-ON%20LEADERS/SIZE%20OF%20DACRON.jpg)
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Other things you will need, taken from the original Double splice thread...
(http://africanaquatics.co.za/FISHING/Fishing%20stuff/WIND-ON%20LEADERS/WIND-ON4.jpg)
Doesn't have to be #7, #5 works just as well.
(http://africanaquatics.co.za/FISHING/Fishing%20stuff/WIND-ON%20LEADERS/WIND-ON5.jpg)
To finish the Wrapping off with the bobbin, visit this thread... it explains how to do it towards the end of the thread...
http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php/topic,64.0.html (http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php/topic,64.0.html)
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Brilliant, just made one, a little more work than what I used to do but way better, so now will become my new way. :shre:
Where can one get 200lb Dacron in Durban????
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Super post Reefs! :win:
I must admit I've never liked a double splice and have never trusted a single splice, so I've always tied my wind-ons up as a "one and a half" splice! Only difference on mine, is I whip finish twice, on the short length and on the long length if that makes any sense?
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Nice post, I still think it is a lot of effort to go through! Make a knot, quicker and IMO more secure!
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Nice post, I still think it is a lot of effort to go through! Make a knot, quicker and IMO more secure!
yes but its much cheaper than taperd leaders and a well made one wil never ever fail think about the marlin guys with a pissed off 500kg marlin on one side and a tiagra 130 fulled with 130lb line and a boat with 2x 250hp on the back to sett a 14/0 hook? they dont fail if they are made well.
the guy i buy mine from has landed 20 odd black pylies with 7 over 200kgs! lots of those big eyed russian jumping sharks and duckbulls,threshers,raggies,bronzies op to 200kgs most of them off rocks and i still havent heard of any of his failing if that doesnt say enough then i dont know??
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yes but its much cheaper than taperd leaders and a well made one wil never ever fail think about the marlin guys with a pissed off 500kg marlin on one side and a tiagra 130 fulled with 130lb line and a boat with 2x 250hp on the back to sett a 14/0 hook? they dont fail if they are made well.
the guy i buy mine from has landed 20 odd black pylies with 7 over 200kgs! lots of those big eyed russian jumping sharks and duckbulls,threshers,raggies,bronzies op to 200kgs most of them off rocks and i still havent heard of any of his failing if that doesnt say enough then i dont know??
Next time I see you on the beach I'll race you, we see who is back in the water faster after a burn-off. You prep a wind-on and I make a knot! :happ:
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Craig how are you going to make a knot in 1.6mm leader? That's what we use Wind-ons for. Up to 1mm - sure knot is the way to go, but from 1.2mm upwards... that knot gets very big and bulky...?
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Next time I see you on the beach I'll race you, we see who is back in the water faster after a burn-off. You prep a wind-on and I make a knot! :happ:
:hehe: ... Not fair .. That's a no Brainer ... :clwn
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Wind on won't take any longer. You make a bimini I make a bimini, you make a figure of 8 and I make a cats paw. What's the difference in time?
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Next time I see you on the beach I'll race you, we see who is back in the water faster after a burn-off. You prep a wind-on and I make a knot! :happ:
Wind-on are pre-made, so you just have to either do a bimini or "stich" the braid, pretty fast I would say.
Check out what guys chasing MONSTER Blufin Tuna are using and also properly made windon break tests versus the best of knots and you will see what we mean.
But yes if my PRE-MADE windons would end I would just tie a knot :-)
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Craig how are you going to make a knot in 1.6mm leader? That's what we use Wind-ons for. Up to 1mm - sure knot is the way to go, but from 1.2mm upwards... that knot gets very big and bulky...?
I knot 1,5m Perlon leader all the time, granted it is for my reef fishing and I don't have to throw very far so its not always the neatest! It still holds a 20+kg Spotty on a locked drag, no problem! And that is with a spiderhitch not a bimini for the doubled line!
It is a bit unfair for me to compare windons for the beach either as my heaviest beach leader is 1mm, don't need anything bigger than that.
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FYI
T Line tapered leaders are the nuts!!! I love those things for the bricks!!! Nice small knot and 1,6mm is very fishable!
T-line sponsored my team a few for Nationals! Big ups to them for supporting the little guys as well as the seniors!
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Must agree... Mike from T-line is a first class bloke!! Always, always helping out! Yup, tapered leaders are my go to leader setup now... use wind-ons when I run out of tapered leaders.
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Next time I see you on the beach I'll race you, we see who is back in the water faster after a burn-off. You prep a wind-on and I make a knot! :happ:
haha ya knots are far quicker i will sometimes start the day off with a wind on off the beach but if i break off or get burned off i normally tie a 1mm or 1.2mm unless its monsters around i lost a bronzie at tweede baai on a 1.2mm leader it jumped and went mad then after 1h30 got it in the shore break and my 1.2mm leader was destroyed and snapped before we could loand it easy 130kgs + a monster!!! so on went the 1.6mm wind on and the only other pull i had was a smoothie haha
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FYI
T Line tapered leaders are the nuts!!! I love those things for the bricks!!! Nice small knot and 1,6mm is very fishable!
T-line sponsored my team a few for Nationals! Big ups to them for supporting the little guys as well as the seniors!
also love them i got my bronzie of 100.8kgs on a 1.5mm one and it rolled the trace opening my 10/0 kendal brown and almost breaking my swivel and dup slide but the leader was perfect infact it has caught 1 raggie of 180kgs,a bronzie of 100.8kgs and 3 smaller ones and still fine untill a oylie stole it on the mountain
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Reefz why do you prefer the double splice to the single?
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Reefz why do you prefer the double splice to the single?
It can only be stronger. Whether it is entirely necessary or not, or worth the trouble making it, is a subject for debate.
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I think that's another shimano/daiwa debate! Both have merits but in the end its personal choice
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Was going through this post and made some observations on the slight differences when i make a single splice wind on :i start the same with a small loop for the connection to the mainline + the 5-8 Tanaka splice , then the shorter tag end +/- 3 to 5cm i pull thru into the main dacron , then i run about 30 cm of leader thru some fine sandpaper ,just to roughen the surface up so that the dacron has a surface to "bite " onto , although on the last 50kg shark , i noticed that the leader had pulled slightly out the dacron +/- 2 to 3cm so the only adjustment i would do is maybe run the leader a bit more than 8 cm into the dacron, but besides that the double Tanaka splice with the 10 cm in between and the longer tag end in the outer dacron is a grand idea.. :win:
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My main difference comes in that I only use 3 tanaka splices tag end inside the main piece and out then 3 splices inside the main dacron with the tag end and then the same as Mike roughen up the leader and slide it in. With the binding I put the whole shebang under tension and then do half hitches to hold it under tension. I have NEVER had any slippage on them my mainline always pops long before anything else. I think the best test I have had is locking up the drag on a tiagra 50 and a very peed off blackfin on the other end my wind on held perfectly
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although on the last 50kg shark , i noticed that the leader had pulled slightly out the dacron +/- 2 to 3cm
This is why I prefer the Double Splice!
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Cant we buy these wind on leaders? I won't mind buying a few from Reefman!! :resp:
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Try Lenny for wind ons
http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php/topic,6245.0.html (http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php/topic,6245.0.html)
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I just quikly scanned throught this post , so pardon if I mention things that has been mentioned .
I or me and our clan fish with Double splice the dacron is about 50cm long and the mono gets pushed into them about 6 to 15 cm . We have never had an Eye ripped off or one of them pulled .
I went to go see Noweeds , and he then told me he swears by the Single splice , also he pointed out to me that the mono must get pushed right up as far as posible that it sits close to the Stitch .As to the double splice have a piece of double walled Dacron ,and were the Mono eds creates a kink .
Gave it a bit of thought , and it made perfectly sence to me . I however have not had a pull on the Single splice , because I only started making the not too long ago .
Confidence plays a roll , casting action plays a part . ect ect
I thing is for sure , once you have fished with them , you must not be right in the head to turn back to big bulky knots , and with the price of end tackle , its worth it . each to its own .
T line Tapered leaders are very good too .
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Thanks FA ! :+ cred:
Pm sent Artiket
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Reefz awesome post :+ cred: and only saw this now.....was making some wind-ons(using this post) for the up coming comp. Just three question
- can I put super glue where the dental floss attaches the Dacron and the leader ?
- can I also then put a small piece of heat shrink over that join
- and what is the average length of your leader (florocarbon) once done
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Mike, yes you can put Superglue over the join. Just makes the join slightly stiffer due to the hard superglue.
No problem with the heatshrink either.
For Rock and Surf, we use 9m leaders.
For jigging, I use about 4m.
For Popping, I prefer the Twisted leaders, about 4m long.
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Hi Tony
You have me compleatly confused and this is doppie questions.
What is the purpose of the wind on leader?
Do you attache your final trace to the end of the mono of the wind on?
If I spin from the beach( 10ft Airocast with 12lb braid) do I need a wind on and what length/size would you recomend?
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I think some people are missing the point... Great Tut reefs... :+ cred:
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Hi Tony
You have me compleatly confused and this is doppie questions.
What is the purpose of the wind on leader?
Do you attache your final trace to the end of the mono of the wind on?
If I spin from the beach( 10ft Airocast with 12lb braid) do I need a wind on and what length/size would you recomend?
No sweat Monster.
In Rock and Surf for instance, we use 9m leaders attched to our mainlines. Up to 1mm leaders, a Bimini with a Double Fig 8 is sufficiently small enough to cast the knot through the eyes of the rod. Over 1mm, and up to 1.6mm, that knot becomes very bulky and catches the guides on the cast. So for leaders over 1mm, we use Wind-ons, because the knot used to join a windon to the mainline (modified catspaw) is tiny, and very easy to cast. Also, Windon's being Dacron spliced are significantly stronger than ordinary straight leaders.
Your trace is attached to the end of the Wind-on leader, yes. In our case, it will be to a Stopper ring when we are sliding.
Light tackle Spinning from the beach a Windon is not necessary. But for medium to heavier spinning, I have moved on to using Braid leaders...
If Mainline braid is 30lb, I make up beforehand a few 50lb Braid Casting leaders. These leaders are Braid stitched at one end to form a loop and are about 4m long.
Then we do a Bimini in the Mainline, then join to the BrAid leader with a CatsPaw. The end of the Braid leader is joined to 1m of Fluoro with the 7 turn Uni - Fig 8. This stonger Braid leader wraps onto the reel a few turns, which allows a much greater force through the cast without snapoffs.
If you're using 50lb braid mainline, then use 80-100lb Braid leaders.
A lot of the KZN guys are now using these Braid leaders for spinning - it helps tremendously. Since using this method, I haven't lost a lure in the cast in 3 fishing trips - that's thousands of casts...!
Maybe this helps?
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Hi Tony
This clears things up. Thank you !
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anyone using pullon leaders as oppose to windon leaders more info available at this link http://www.paulusjustfishing.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=95&sid=eaa2d9bf8023c48b6cef9752e2449087 (http://www.paulusjustfishing.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=95&sid=eaa2d9bf8023c48b6cef9752e2449087)
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:welc: :welc: Viking .
I have seen Leader setups like yours before , or similar in Perth . But I could not figure it out , and the guys was not really keen on talking .
So its mainly used for a Mono Leader to a Braid Mainline ?
I rate the most popular Knot we use in these applications [ mono to Braid mainline ] Are the PR knot , also not an easy or quik knot to tie .
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