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Title: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
Post by: REEFMAN on August 01, 2013, 11:11:08 AM
Ever wondered how a Fishing Reel's Drag system works?
Pay attention...  :hnthnt:

(http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/articles/drag%20mech/drag%201.jpg)



WHAT IS DRAG?


Drag is the friction device in your reel that helps you control the run of a fish,   much the same as brakes control the motion of your car. 
In your reel, braking is achieved by applying pressure against the contact   surfaces of rotating washers that are attached by some mechanism to the spinning spool.  As line is removed from the reel, it is the   controlled pressure acting against the contact surfaces of these   washers that produces the phenomenon that fishermen call “drag” . . .   it slows the removal of line from your reel   by a running fish.

That controlled pressure is applied by tightening the drag knob (In a fixed spool or spinning reel) or the star-wheel or Lever Drag of your Multiplier reel.

The tightening of the drag knob typically does not act directly against the washers, but instead, the pressure is transmitted through the attenuating effects of a drag   adjustment spring. If the drag adjustment spring is a soft spring,   then the pressure is applied gradually as you tighten the drag knob.  If   the drag adjustment spring is stiff, then the pressure is applied more   aggressively.  The idea for the fisherman of course, is to apply just   the right amount of pressure to the drag washer surfaces to create the   ideal drag for his fishing situation.

All drag systems operate by   tightening a knob against a single or a stack of drag washers.  The   mechanism has to have a spring of some type (drag adjustment spring) against which the drag knob tightens and applies the pressure to the   drag washers.  The style and nature of that spring is very important; that is, is   it soft or firm and is it an actual spring or just a piece of spring   steel like a cup or wave washer. Most spinning reels have a proper spring, whereas Multipliers generally have cupped spring washers. 


The Spring inside the Drag knob of a Fixed spool reel

(http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/articles/sustain/upgrades/drag%20knob%204.jpg)

The Cupped Drag spring washers found in many Multipliers

(http://www.africanaquatics.co.za/FISHING/Fishing%20stuff/REEL%20MAINTENANCE/SALTIST%2050/SALTIST%2050%2076.jpg)



The Drag system of a reel is made up of many parts acting together in unison - all working together to apply a brake force on the spool of the reel.

Let's look at the Basics of Drag Mechanics in a Multiplier reel

(http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/articles/drag%20mech/drag%201.jpg)


Force applied downwards by tightening the Star Drag wheel places force in varying increments against:

1. The Drag Clicker and washer
2. The Cupped Spring washers
3. The Anti-reverse Inner sleeve or collar, which acts through the middle of the Anti-reverse bearing
4. The Drag Stack, which has varying numbers of metal and synthetic washers.
5. The Drive Gear
6. The Anti-reverse ratchet and smaller Drag washer



(http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/articles/drag%20mech/drag%202.jpg)

Notice which components are attached (fixed) to the Drive Shaft...

1. The Handle
2. The Star Drag
3. The Inner sleeve of the Anti-reverse bearing
4. Keyed Metal washers inside the Drag Stack
5. The Anti-reverse Ratchet wheel

VIDEO

Here is a short video showing how all components, except the Anti-reverse bearing, rotate as the handle is turned.
In this clip, remember that the Anti-reverse bearing is no longer fixed to the frame of the reel. In normal function, the Anti-reverse bearing cannot turn.

In the first part of the video, the reel is being normally reeled in - everything moves except the AR Bearing.
In the 2nd part, notice how much playback of the handle there is with only the Dog Pawl Anti-reverse working. This shows clearly that the Dog Pawl is a secondary function to the AR Bearing.
In the 3rd part of the Video, when the reel is running in reverse, the shaft is locked, nothing moves except the Drive Gear containing all the Drag Washers.

Multiplier Reel - drag mechanics (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8F6bzy-Fqc&feature=youtu.be#)



When the Drive Gear is rotating, not all the Drag washers rotate inside the Drag Stack.

See pic below:

The Eared washers are fixed to the Drive gear and therefore will rotate with the Drive Gear.
The Keyed washers have a rectangular hole in the centre which locks it to the Drive Shaft. Because the Drive shaft is locked and immovable, these washers cannot move, even while the Drive Gear is rotating.


(http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/articles/drag%20mech/drag%203.jpg)

These eared and keyed washers are stacked alternately in between the synthetic fibre Drag washers, which can all rotate, causing friction between the moving and stationary washers.

(http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/articles/drag%20mech/drag%206.jpg)



The whole Drag mechanism relies on the Drive Shaft being made to be temporarily fixed.
Remember the handle turns the Drive shaft, which turns the Drive Gear, which turns the Pinion Gear, which turns the Spool.
When the reel runs in reverse, it needs to have the Drive Shaft fixed and stationary, otherwise the handle will also turn, leaving you with some seriously bruised knuckles!

So how does the Drive shaft become fixed?

Let's quickly examine the base of the Drive Shaft...

This is an example of the bottom part of the Drive Shaft in a Saltist Reel.
Starting at the bottom, there is a circular platform on which everything above it rests.
Above that is a square piece - this is where the Ratchet gear attaches, and is therefore "fixed" to the Shaft.
Above that is a round portion where the Drive Gear base fits and can rotate.
Above that is a circular/rectangular configuration, which attaches the keyed washers to the Shaft.

(http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/articles/drag%20mech/drag%204.jpg)

So how does the Shaft become fixed?

This is the function of the Anti-reverse mechanism.
The older Multiplier reels had an Anti-reverse Dog Pawl system - a system used in the old Daiwa's and Speedmasters. It is a mechanical pawl that locked into the Ratchet gear, stopping it from moving. Because the Ratchet gear is attached to the Shaft by it's rectangular hole configuration, the Drive shaft would then not move. These systems had a small spring that held the Pawl in place, making sure that it always kept contact with the Ratchet gear.

(http://www.africanaquatics.co.za/FISHING/Fishing%20stuff/REEL%20MAINTENANCE/SL50SH/SL50SH%2038.jpg)

A leaf spring kept Pawl...

(http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/articles/drag%20mech/drag%205.jpg)

Then someone decided that the noise made by these clicking Pawls were irritating and so the Anti-reverse bearing or 'silent' anti-reverse was born in multipliers.
These have become an integral part of top end Multipliers now. Their big advantage is the function of "Instant Anti-reverse" - there is no (or very little) backplay of the reel handle in reverse.

This is what the Anti-reverse bearing looks like in most reels...

This is one with the entire metal jacket and casing removed. The Metal Jacket normally fits in the frame of the reel and is usually very difficult to remove. (In some reels, like the Penn Fathom, this element cannot be removed without the risk of breaking the frame.)

(http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/articles/drag mech/ar 2.jpg)


The Anti-reverse mechanism is an integral part of the Drag system, since it fixes the Shaft, so that the Drag washers can then generate friction against each other.

An Anti-reverse bearing or "one -way bearing" or "Roller clutch" is made up of a Metal Jacket that fits into the reel frame and is fixed. Inside the metal is a Plastic frame with some spring levers and several metal roller bearings.

(http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/articles/drag mech/ar 3.jpg)


Dismantled Anti-reverse bearing:

(http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/articles/drag%20mech/ar%206.jpg)


So how do these Anti-reverse bearings work?



(http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/articles/drag%20mech/ar%208.jpg)




(http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/articles/drag%20mech/ar%209.jpg)


(http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/articles/drag%20mech/ar%201.jpg)

(http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/articles/drag%20mech/ar%2010.jpg)


The Anti-reverse bearing is the PRIMARY means of stopping the Drive Shaft. The Anti-reverse Dog Pawl is a SECONDARY or BACKUP to the AR Bearing. (In the Video above, the backplay of the reel handle is because of the lack of an Anti-reverse bearing.)

So why is this so important to know?

Well, AR Bearings are finicky things. They work best DRY, unlubed, because they require Friction between the Inner sleeve and the Roller Bearing, in order to function. However, because the materials used in most Roller bearings are highly corrosive, they need REGULAR maintenance, especially in reels that have been submerged.

If a reel is badly maintained, the first things to pack up and seize are the bearings, one of which is the AR bearing.

If a Roller bearing fails, there is nothing to stop the reel from turning backwards, except the mechanical backup of a Dog Pawl. In a poorly maintained reel, the chances are that the Dog Pawl has also been fouled up with dirt, old grease and salt/sand and therefore will also not function. This will result in catastrophic failure of the reel on being loaded...

Ugly stuff...

(http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/articles/drag mech/ar 4.jpg)

A failed AR Bearing.

(http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/articles/drag mech/ar 5.jpg)


Regular maintenance of the Roller bearing.
If your bearing is reasonably clean, do the following:

(http://www.africanaquatics.co.za/FISHING/Fishing%20stuff/REEL%20MAINTENANCE/SALTIST%2050/SALTIST%2050%2055.jpg)

(http://www.africanaquatics.co.za/FISHING/Fishing%20stuff/REEL%20MAINTENANCE/SALTIST%2050/SALTIST%2050%2056.jpg)

(http://www.africanaquatics.co.za/FISHING/Fishing%20stuff/REEL%20MAINTENANCE/SALTIST%2050/SALTIST%2050%2057.jpg)

Once you have done this, your reel will be good for 2 or 3 trips, unless it has been submerged underwater.

All that needs to be done is a drop or 2 of Reel-X or any anti-corrosive oil. What I do is pop the oil on my pinkie finger and wipe the roller bearings with the oil.

NB: Too much grease or oil WILL cause the AR bearing to fail. It needs friction to work. Oil stops friction and therefore the bearing will slip. This is also a catastrophic failure! )Especially in spinning reels which don't have a backup Pawl system!) Once you have serviced your reel, always, always, always test your Drag to make sure things are working.


Because of the number of failures of several AR bearings in the past, particularly Torium and Trinidad reels that were being used for wading, many anglers now use spring retained Dog Pawls to ensure the fail-safe Anti-reverse. This has been an excellent solution to what was once quite a problem. Newer designed reels are coming out with Double Dog Pawls, which help, but really nothing beats the spring retained Pawl.


DRAG WASHERS
There are many types of Drag washers available. Generally, you pay for what you get.
It is now indisputable that woven Carbon Fibre Drag washers (Carbontex TM) provide consistent and smooth Drag performance over time. Most of the top end reels now come standard with Carbon Fibre Drag washers. The Penn system (HT-100) drag washers were some of the first to come standard in their reels and these Drag systems are still amongst the best available.
The Penn HT-100 Drag system with eared Carbon washers....
(http://www.africanaquatics.co.za/FISHING/Fishing%20stuff/REEL%20MAINTENANCE/PENN%20TRQ40/TRQ40%2080.jpg)

Eared Carbon washers

(http://www.africanaquatics.co.za/FISHING/Fishing%20stuff/REEL%20MAINTENANCE/PENN%20TRQ40/TRQ40%2081.jpg)

The Penn Drag stack

(http://www.africanaquatics.co.za/FISHING/Fishing%20stuff/REEL%20MAINTENANCE/PENN%20TRQ40/TRQ40%2082.jpg)

Many of the old reels that we use came standard with really poor quality Drag washers.
The most important thing about a Drag washer is that it's startup inertia (the force needed to get the Drag Stack moving gently) is a small force. If it is large, then the Drag will "snatch" - this is a jerky movement caused by poor quality Drag washers sticking together.
Once the Drag is moving, it should continue acting with braking force, but smoothly. Many types of washers deform during prolonged use, through heat buildup and residue formation that clogs everything in sight. A perfect example of this is the Dartanium washers used by Shimano in their Toriums and Trinidads. After being heated, they become very brittle and chip and break under stress. If you buy a Torium reel, you need to budget for upgrading the Drag washers to Carbontex SmoothDrag washers, because the Dartanium washers are generally unacceptable for South African fishing style and conditions.
The old Saltists used to come with "Carbon fibre" Drag washers, but in essence were paper thin and tore very easily, useless!
Some Manufacturers have responded to the call for improvements and the entire Daiwa range of reels now come out standard with proper woven Carbon washers.
It has been shown that eared Carbon Drag washers improve the Drag force of a stack.
2 eared Carbon Drag washers (which are therefore fixed to the Drive gear) provides the same Drag as 3 non-eared Drag washers, which are not fixed to the Drive Gear. This seems to be the future or reel design.
The much maligned bottom Drag washer underneath the Drive Gear plays an integral role in the Drag system, most notably acting as a spacer, separating the bottom of the Drive Gear from touching the Ratchet. Alan Tani has shown that the thickness of this washer can improve Drag function, so contrary to what was first thought that the Washer is redundant, it plays a vital role. Penn use a Graphite washer here, but Carbontex washers work perfectly.
Maintenance of Carbon Drag washers
Carbon drag washers should be cleaned and relubed periodically.
Soak in benzine to get rid of residue and dirt. Dry thoroughly and then coat lightly with a layer of Teflon grease, like Cal's. Lubed Carbon drag washers behave more predictably and smoother with grease lubing (lightly!). They also help reduce Drag spike, (that startup inertia on getting them to move).
Bigger is not always better
It has been postulated recently that the formulae for Drag friction has very little to do with Drag washer Surface area. The greatest function determining the force of the Drag is the actual force that is applied to the Drag stack by the Star Drag or Lever Drag. So when looking for a reel with good Drag, it's not the number of washers or the size that count, but rather their composition, thickness and ability to be compressed without dramatic deformation and heat build up.
Title: Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
Post by: REEFMAN on August 05, 2013, 09:50:01 AM
Been working on this one for some time now... finally got it done. Hopefully it will help someone understand things better... enjoy!
Title: Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
Post by: John F on August 05, 2013, 09:56:24 AM
Shew... Reefz, gotta give it you! Got my head a bit dizzy trying to follow this post!

Will read it a bit slowly and absorb it all!

Another WINNER only on UA!  :FST:

 :+ cred:
Title: Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
Post by: Shaun17 on August 05, 2013, 09:59:18 AM
Reefz, just saw this thread now, not sure how i missed it!!!! Had a quick read through and again you've blown my mind!! Will read through again tonight.
 
Going to give the maintenance a bash with one of my multipliers when i'm home, thanks a million!!!  :+ cred: :+ cred:
Title: Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
Post by: peterblace on August 05, 2013, 10:00:33 AM
uau!!!...now it starts ringing a bell on how things work...
next step is beeing brave enough to follow a schematic and open a reel...in my case I rather be scared and let the "pros" do it

thanks for sharing
Title: Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
Post by: Abaddon on August 05, 2013, 10:12:10 AM
Tony - another SUPERB post !!  :resp:

The orientation of those cup washers would be one of the most common faults the do-it-yourself service usually brings my way when the guys realize something is not right.
You mention two positions () being correct and (( being incorrect. I get )( as well.. This, though incorrect, still offers more drag than a (( orientation.
Usually by the time the reel gets to me though, the shaft and/or star have been damaged as the guys simply keep cranking it trying to obtain that lost drag tension.

Thank you for another insightful thread that I am sure will assist many.
Title: Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
Post by: Charles on August 05, 2013, 10:18:45 AM
Excellent post Reefz!! It sure is nice to know what happens on the inside! :+ cred:
Title: Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
Post by: REEFMAN on August 05, 2013, 11:49:51 AM
Tony - another SUPERB post !!  :resp:

The orientation of those cup washers would be one of the most common faults the do-it-yourself service usually brings my way when the guys realize something is not right.
You mention two positions () being correct and (( being incorrect. I get )( as well.. This, though incorrect, still offers more drag than a (( orientation.
Usually by the time the reel gets to me though, the shaft and/or star have been damaged as the guys simply keep cranking it trying to obtain that lost drag tension.

Thank you for another insightful thread that I am sure will assist many.

Shot abs!
With regards those cup washers... the trick to aligning them properly is to first line up the rectangular holes in the middle. If you line these up, then there are only 2 ways that they can appear - one of which is the wrong way --->  ((   .  The correct way is with a space between them, whether it is described as )( or () - doesn't really matter - they are the same configuration, because the washers are actually twisted and not perfectly curved like we like to describe them --->      )        Check them out, you'll see what I'm talking about?
Title: Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
Post by: Homie on August 05, 2013, 12:49:34 PM
Absobloody awesome post Tony !

Made a world of difference to understanding how this works !
 :udman:
Title: Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
Post by: Shaun17 on August 05, 2013, 02:25:29 PM
    Just spent the past hour or so reading and re-reading this  post!! Top stuff Tony, thanks for taking the time!! I hadn’t really given the  mechanics of a reel a second thought but it all makes sense.
 
Obviously lever drag is different in its configuration, but I  would assume the principle is the same?
 
I own a couple of Toriums, so already I see the need to have  those dartanium washers replaced with Carbontex and possibly the AR bearings  replaced with the spring retained Dog Pawls as well. Would that be something  you’d recommend a novice attempt, or perhaps leave that to the tackle shop to  do? I'm leaning towards the tackle shop...
 
You mention doing regular maintenance every 2-3 trips, would  that apply to all facets of angling or could you get away with less with  offshore – less exposure to water/sand?
 
Just out of curiosity – in the Penn Fathom, if the  anti-reverse bearing fails how would it be replaced if there’s a risk of breaking  the frame? Gooi weg??
 
What multipliers, if any come out of the box ready to be  fished??  <:
 
Got so many questions, but not sure how to ask them without  sounding stupid - time to spend some more time in the Reel Service &  Maintenance section…
 
Thanks again  :tkx:
Title: Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
Post by: REEFMAN on August 05, 2013, 02:35:13 PM
No such thing as a stupid question Shaun...

Principles of Drag are the same in most reels.
Torium rebuild ---> http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=36.0 (http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?topic=36.0)
Reasonably straight forward. The click spring on the shaft of the Torium can be used on the Dog Pawl as a backup safety measure.
Definitely, the Dartanium Drag washers are inferior to Carbontex.
A reel can never be serviced too often! I do mine after every trip.
If the Penn Fathom AR fails, you need to moer it out with a socket fitting as I describe in the tut on the Penn Fathom. If the frame breaks, then it's a new side plate needed!

Most of the Daiwa Multipliers can now be fished straight out the box because they come standard with Carbon Fibre Drag washers. Penn's too.

Fire away with questions... if I can, I'll try answer them, failing which, someone else will!
Title: Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
Post by: Shaun17 on August 05, 2013, 02:42:08 PM
Thanks Reefz, appreciate it!! Will ask the questions on the appropriate threads... btw, i'd added the link to the Torium tutorial a few min before your post  w;k
 
Those Tiagras better be good to go out the box though...
Title: Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
Post by: REEFMAN on August 05, 2013, 03:20:15 PM
Ya for sure Shaun... I am clueless when it comes to the insides of the big offshore reels.
My thoughts above pertain to R/S disciplines only.
I would assume the Tiagra's are good to go considering how many people use them without complaint.
Title: Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
Post by: isivuba on August 05, 2013, 06:53:58 PM
All I can say is WOW!!  (clap) just read this but going to read again. Thanks Reefz  :+ cred:
Title: Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
Post by: Willie on August 05, 2013, 07:12:52 PM
Another masterpiece  :tkx: for all the information  :+ cred:
Title: Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
Post by: MIKE PIKE on August 05, 2013, 07:47:27 PM
 (clap) excellent post Tony , amazing that a drag on a multiplier combined with the rod and line can take such a beating with big fish in the non-ed angling ,and not let go if serviced and looked after correctly , truly a marvel in engineering.... :-)     
Title: Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
Post by: REEFMAN on August 06, 2013, 08:09:59 AM
Good observations Mike. It really is amazing how a reel holds together when you take into account the forces applied to it...
Title: Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
Post by: G6 on August 06, 2013, 07:18:16 PM
Once again very nice Sir !!!!! 
Title: Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
Post by: Straightstick on August 07, 2013, 09:44:11 AM
Thanks for de-mystifying the mystical inner workings of a multiplier. time to stop throwing money away and start doing my own mainainance.
Thanks again  :+ cred:
Title: Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
Post by: Tommo on August 07, 2013, 10:39:25 AM
Excellent post Tony, you are in a class of your own with these technical tutorials!
Title: Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
Post by: L Hooker on August 07, 2013, 12:45:16 PM
Well done excellent tutorial. :tkx:
Title: Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
Post by: Lenny on August 07, 2013, 02:17:30 PM
SUPER post .


An arsenal of tips and tricks !!
Title: Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
Post by: REEFMAN on August 09, 2013, 08:38:20 AM
Sorry, forgot to add this to the Article above:

How the Drag increases on an emptying spool


This is a subject that most anglers should be aware of and understand, in order to avoid disasters.

When   a big fish is taking line off a reel, the tendency for most anglers is   to tighten up the Drag to try stop the fish or to try and turn it. All   good and well. A serious problem arises however, when the line being   taken continues. The tendency again is to tighten the drag once more -   this is a recipe for disaster!

Torque is the turning force required to rotate an object around a fixed axis.
Torque   (T) [Drag] depends on the Force applied to the object being turned (F)   [force on the spool] and the length of the lever arm connecting the axis   to the point of force application (r) [amount of line left on the   spool].

(http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/Tutorials/Spool%20drag.jpg)

In   this article, we are simplying things for the sake of understanding   them. There are many other variables that would need to be taken into   account in order to measure this effect accurately... eg: line drag in   the water, lubrication of the reel, line diameter, heat buildup in the   Drag washers, air temperature, rod characteristics etc etc etc.

Simple   physics tells us, (all other factors being equal), that the Force   needed to rotate a spool (Moment inertia) is inversely proportional to   the amount of line left on the spool. Halving the line on the spool will double the Drag Force applied to it! Removing 2/3 of the line on a spool, will TRIPLE the Drag force applied to the spool. One   can now see, that tightening the Drag while playing a big fish is   courting disaster, and rather than burn-offs being the main reason for   lost fish, the increase of the Drag on the spool is the most likely   cause.

Anglers need to resist the temptation of tightening up   the Drag on a fish heading for the horizon - rather they need to hope   and trust that the drag of the line in the water and fatigue to the fish   on an already tightened drag, is enough to slow a fish and turn it.   Braid backing is usually between 4-600m in length, there is more than   enough line right there to slow down most fish without tightening the   drag further. If it's not enough, well then, you win some and lose some!   But tightening the drag at this point will almost certainly result in   the Drag force going beyond the breaking strain of line already being   stretched to the maximum.

This principle applies mainly to the   Rock and Surf angler that uses a Star Drag Multiplier reel. The Lever   Drag reels used in off-shore situations usually have their Drag settings   pre-set to 'Strike' settings, (normally25-30% of the breaking strain of   the line). Lever Drag reels are capable of precise drag settings and   this should never be a problem. However, the fact that Lever Drag reels   do not have a proper free spool (the Drag system is permanently attached   to the spool itself) makes them essentially unsuitable for casting.

With   Fixed spool spinning reels, the principle also applies, but there are   complicated angular moments of inertia that need to be taken into   account as well.

Next time you're on to a Big fish... don't tighten your Drag once it's passed half way!

Maybe this will help someone land the next big one!
Title: Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
Post by: strandloper on August 12, 2013, 05:18:02 AM
As always an Excellent tut Tony!!

 :udman:

Now if I can just get you over here to come service all the reels!
Title: Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
Post by: Fishy on September 09, 2013, 09:49:26 PM
Very informative, Tony.


Where do you source your Carbontex?
Title: Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
Post by: REEFMAN on September 10, 2013, 06:29:11 AM
Carbontex and Abec 5 Boca bearings from Jagged edge - georgedbn@gmail.com (http://www.ultimateangling.co.za/index.php?action=emailuser;sa=email;uid=526)
Title: Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
Post by: Brundlefish on September 23, 2013, 10:55:56 PM
Awesome post! Thanks for the information.  :tkx:
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
Post by: REEFMAN on November 30, 2013, 08:13:46 AM
Awesome post! Thanks for the information.  :tkx:

Shot Brundle. Glad it helped.
Title: Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
Post by: OMT on March 12, 2014, 08:48:18 PM
Before I started fishing I thought 'drag' referred to when your mother in law accompanied you to the coast.
Title: Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
Post by: lebaka on March 13, 2014, 01:02:50 PM
excellent tut tony, but in saying that the more you post these the more i am convinced that i should never never ever attempt to do this myself i foresee many spare parts after reassembly
Title: Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
Post by: REEFMAN on May 01, 2014, 08:18:13 AM
Gary, Multiplier reels are a cynch to service, truly! Maybe I need to open one up at a social to show you guys how relatively easy it really is!
Title: Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
Post by: forensic on July 25, 2014, 09:53:16 AM
Thanks for your trouble.This is an excellent post,just what i was after.
A question,the keyed penn carbontex HT100 system seems to work very well,would it be possible to bond the carbontex to the eared stainless steel washers? If this  could be done we could easily improve our drag rating without  the tricky engineering required to copy their system into our shimano and daiwa reels.
What thin glue/agent could provide the bond required to withstand the heat and associated expansion/contraction etc,would gasket seel be a candidate?I would like some advice before i try it.
Title: Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
Post by: REEFMAN on July 25, 2014, 10:07:38 AM
Think you need to be careful of increasing a reel's drag beyond what the surrounding components were built to resist.
Eg. The Torium was designed for use with Dartanium washers. Then we pimped them with Carbontex. Now we want to make them "keyed" as well... just seems overkill to me, and unnecessary.  :dunno:  How much of a reel's drag do we actually use?
Title: Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
Post by: sardinella on May 18, 2015, 04:06:21 PM
Bump
Worth reading again
thanks Tony
Title: Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
Post by: REEFMAN on May 19, 2015, 07:55:22 AM
Cool beans. Needed to read it again myself!
Title: Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
Post by: Bwana on May 19, 2015, 08:15:44 AM
Excellent thread Tony, was very informative and I can honestly say I learned a lot from this, even feeling brave enough to dismantle a few of my reels for a DIY service.
Title: Re: Multiplier Drag Mechanics 101
Post by: REEFMAN on May 25, 2015, 08:41:20 AM
Excellent thread Tony, was very informative and I can honestly say I learned a lot from this, even feeling brave enough to dismantle a few of my reels for a DIY service.

You can do it!!  :nobs:
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