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Title: Navigation apps
Post by: southcoastspearo on August 20, 2012, 07:15:26 PM
I downloaded an amazing APP for my I-phone the other day...
 
Cost me a bit of money but so far when I compare my marks to the marks on the charts
everything is spot on....
 
Check out - I sailor....worth every penny
 
I think I found your little spot...
Title: Re: Nav apps
Post by: Bwana on August 21, 2012, 09:46:05 AM
I can only find the Transas iSailor App on the App Store, is that the same one? Who is the publisher? Sounds like a great app to have for realtime plotting and mapping.
Title: Re: Nav apps
Post by: southcoastspearo on August 21, 2012, 12:12:40 PM
The app is I sailor,Im sure I used the U.S. app store...cant really remember
 
You gotta pay for it I think it was around $ 30
Its the Africa,east coast - Cape Town to Djibouti
 
It's amazing,I have garmin blue chart mapping on my GPS and  Lowrance Mapping on my Sounder/GPS
it makes them look stupid...actually embarrassing.
 
Have found/marked some insane spots
 
With a I phone or I pad you can zoom right in or out instantly.....from 100ft to 10NM in a blink of an eye
Title: Re: Nav apps
Post by: ProKayak on August 21, 2012, 12:18:49 PM
Listen guys - lets go to this spot - i have been there = 26 12 315S
                                                                                       35 01 697E

have any of you heard about "Almirante Leite Banks ?????????????????


is there any place you haven't fished......... :envy [size=78%] [/size]
Title: Re: Nav apps
Post by: Bwana on August 21, 2012, 12:20:26 PM
I have downloaded the Transas iSailor app (free download) but see that I need to download the East Coast profile like you say it is $24,99. If I get it, how good is the detail and can you plot or import waypoints of your own? Before I buy the profile I'd like your opinion on how good it is?
Title: Re: Nav apps
Post by: southcoastspearo on August 21, 2012, 12:30:22 PM
It's definately worth it...
It makes garmin and lowrance mapping looking like it's from the 1800's
I have both and i paid alot of money for them...which kinda leaves a bitter taste in my mouth but
what is done is done
 
For $ 24.99 it's the best bargain of your fishing career
 
Every single high point/pinnacle that I know or have is in very good detail.
 
You can plan routes and measure distances.
 
Shows wrecks and other hazards....just like a proper professional chart
Title: Re: Nav apps
Post by: Prego on August 21, 2012, 12:35:40 PM
You have my full attention, can this app only be downloaded on smart phones only or also on tablets or pc's as well. I am not big on the tech side sry .
Title: Re: Nav apps
Post by: Bwana on August 21, 2012, 12:37:07 PM
That sounds really cool. Can you store waypoints or import waypoints as well?
Title: Re: Nav apps
Post by: southcoastspearo on August 21, 2012, 06:46:16 PM
That sounds really cool. Can you store waypoints or import waypoints as well?
It has a option of importing /exporting files...so I assume you can.I havent really fiddled too much will all the tech stuff,just been eyeing out all the reefs/pinnacles off mozasm.....So much reef...too little time.
So many options...
Title: Re: Nav apps
Post by: southcoastspearo on August 21, 2012, 06:51:37 PM
You have my full attention, can this app only be downloaded on smart phones only or also on tablets or pc's as well. I am not big on the tech side sry .
Unfortunately Im also not technically gifted,Im not sure what the other brands of smart phones offer...Im sure you can download it onto a Ipad.
Title: Re: Nav apps
Post by: dugong on August 21, 2012, 10:02:20 PM
Prego It goes onto both, I downloaded it to my iPad and it appears ready to download on iPhone via icloud (free version)
Has anyone compared it to the Navionics app?? This is quite a bit cheaper.
Title: Re: Nav apps
Post by: Shaun17 on August 22, 2012, 03:35:55 AM
Prego It goes onto both, I downloaded it to my iPad and it appears ready to download on iPhone via icloud (free version)
Has anyone compared it to the Navionics app?? This is quite a bit cheaper.


I've been using Navionics for quite sometime.... I've just downloaded the iSailor app, and bought the East Coast maps. Will play around with it a bit at work today and give you feedback.


I'm by no means an expert, so bare with me....
Title: Re: Nav apps
Post by: Shaun17 on August 22, 2012, 04:13:46 AM
Ok, so I've been playing around with both and now busy taking comparison screenshots.


Anyone got marks they'd like me to compare, PM me the details and I'll see what I can do...
Title: Re: Nav apps
Post by: dugong on August 22, 2012, 08:04:35 AM
Prego It goes onto both, I downloaded it to my iPad and it appears ready to download on iPhone via icloud (free version)
Has anyone compared it to the Navionics app?? This is quite a bit cheaper.

Hahaha....impatient fool I am!! I answered my own question last night and wasted R200!!
The detail and info is very very good but as a fishing tool its useless........you cannot enter wpts and cannot save position, its basically a sailing/navigation app.
I think that paying more for the Navionics app will be worth every cent.
Title: Re: Nav apps
Post by: dugong on August 23, 2012, 08:54:39 AM
I was fooling around last night and downloaded the free Plan2Nav  (Jepperson) this looks like a better proposition with the ability to add wpts, the full version is $37. I still think the way to go will be the Navionics route??
Title: Re: Nav apps
Post by: Shaun17 on August 23, 2012, 10:20:18 AM
Dugongboy... i was on the Transas site last night, apparently they will be updating the i-Sailor to allow for enetering waypoints. If they can do that, i would recommend i-Sailor over Navionics any day!!
Title: Re: Nav apps
Post by: dugong on August 23, 2012, 01:19:59 PM
I also read that, but when will it happen, the app is pretty useless to me as is but have to agree it could be awesome....great for sailing between various ports etc.. lots of detail and nav data!
Did you check out the Plan2Nav? If the detail is as good as iSailor then it should be a good option, what don't you like about the Navionics??

BTW we should try and get this part of the post(Nav apps) moved to the electronics/wpt section??[/b]
Title: Re: Nav apps
Post by: Shaun17 on August 23, 2012, 03:01:39 PM
The Navionics is decent, very good in fact. Having seen i Sailor now there is a difference in the level of detail, but probably my biggest draw back is the actual screen size of Navionics... it doesnt utilize the full size of the screen...
 
Navionics does have a cool feature whereby you take take photos on your iPad/iPhone and they're stored on the maps as a GPS location...
 
Will check out Plan2Nav tonight and let you know....
 
 
Title: Re: Nav apps
Post by: Shaun17 on August 23, 2012, 07:57:36 PM
Just downloaded Plan2Nav.... Been playing around with it or a few minutes and it looks pretty good!! Will comment further in the morning....
Title: Re: Nav apps
Post by: SUPER ADMIN on August 24, 2012, 08:18:39 AM

BTW we should try and get this part of the post(Nav apps) moved to the electronics/wpt section??[/[/b]b]

Done. Thread split and moved to Boat Tech.
Title: Re: Navigation apps
Post by: dugong on August 24, 2012, 08:26:27 AM
Ahaaaa, you are like my wife.........eyes everywhere!! Well done.
Title: Re: Navigation apps
Post by: Shaun17 on August 24, 2012, 09:08:40 AM
Ok, so i've downloaded Navionics, i-Sailor & Plan2Nav which currently cost $74.99, $24.99 & $37.99 respectively to have the East African maps installed....
I only downloaded i-Sailor & Plan2Nav this week and therefore only used Navionics on my boat so far. I'm by no means an expert and seriously lack technical knowledge but hopefully this will help somewhat in your choice of apps. If anyone needs particular screenshots, give me a shout.
 
Navionics
The most expensive app of the 3. User friendly app which allows for tracking, entering of routes,google overlays and entering of waypoints. Only able to zoom in to 53m max and lacks in detail compared to the other 2 apps. The app also doesnt make use of the full 7" screen so the image is much smaller than the other 2 apps. A cool feature of this app allows for photos to be taken and saved at the GPS location it was taken at...
 
i-Sailor
The cheapest of the 3 apps. As the name suggests, the app is geared more towards sailing, however the level of detail far exceeds that of Navionics. The biggest drawback of this app is the inability to enter waypoints - Transas claim on their website that this will be a feature added in the future, but for now i have limited use for this app. App allows for tracking, routes, warning alarms and zooming in to 10m.
 
Plan2Nav
My app of choice (without testing it on the boat). Half the price of Navionics. Level of detail comes close to, or equals that of i-Sailor. Waypoints entered easily enough, ability to download current weather conditions at your given location (dependant on cellular coverage). App also allows for tracking, routes, zooming into 10m and is able to add a compass onto the screen. Additional cool features include Anchor Drift as well as the ability to rotate the maps and create a "3D" image.
 
Title: Re: Navigation apps
Post by: dugong on August 24, 2012, 11:36:50 AM
Thanks Shaun, do you use your iPad on the boat or have you just compared to your plotter?? It seems like a cheap option, if you add a waterproof sleeve at about R400 you have an excellent plotter for R1000 compared to R10-15k??
Title: Re: Navigation apps
Post by: trevz on August 24, 2012, 12:02:29 PM
does the map detail come close to the garmin bluecharts and is it compatible to the samsung galaxy tab
Title: Re: Navigation apps
Post by: dugong on August 24, 2012, 12:06:28 PM
Not sure compared to bluechart but the detail is very very good, all you need. I don't think they are available on Android yet.
Title: Re: Navigation apps
Post by: Shaun17 on August 24, 2012, 03:42:14 PM
Thanks Shaun, do you use your iPad on the boat or have you just compared to your plotter?? It seems like a cheap option, if you add a waterproof sleeve at about R400 you have an excellent plotter for R1000 compared to R10-15k??


I was using it on my boat but purchased a new GPS unit recently. I had a waterproof slev and mounted it on a RAM mount....


Trevz, I haven't used the Garmin Bluecharts so can't compare...
Title: Re: Navigation apps
Post by: Prego on August 27, 2012, 09:22:02 AM
John from Lowrance showed us the new fishing charts from Lowrance at the show the detail is brilliant and a much needed upgrade.

 :win:
Title: Re: Navigation apps
Post by: dugong on August 27, 2012, 03:39:44 PM
The cost of the software is what really burns my ass, they have you over a barrel - you have to spend another 30-40% more for the charts - robbers!!
Title: Re: Navigation apps
Post by: Prego on August 27, 2012, 03:43:21 PM
I hear you on that, the new chart Platinum fishing chart (which are incredible btw) is R3000 odd and the nav planner for the pc is another R1400.  :shk
Title: Re: Navigation apps
Post by: dugong on August 27, 2012, 03:49:34 PM
And 99% of the time my R2k handheld is as effective a R20k chart plotter - I would rather spend the bulk of the bucks on a decent sounder.
Title: Re: Navigation apps
Post by: jaenswart on August 27, 2012, 08:03:19 PM
I bought navionics for my iphone. Then again for my samsung s2...same purchase worked on my galaxy tab 10.1


Now i pull up with ipad and guess what, have to buy again as thr iphone and ipad versions are seperate purchases. Exploit....


Btw, garmin is working on a bluechart g2 vision ipad app as we speak.


Regarding other apps...navionics and garmin make use of 2 different map providers, but they are the best ones. There might be better apps, but not better maps. Be careful of fake contours being interpolated, thus creating illusion of better maps.

https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=114005&ra=true

Title: Re: Navigation apps
Post by: TUNAMAN on August 29, 2012, 11:12:46 AM
Here is an example of same area with Garmin Charts to compare to what Shaun17 posted.
Title: Re: Navigation apps
Post by: TUNAMAN on August 29, 2012, 11:18:13 AM
This is to compare the Lowrance new Platinum to Garmin's old. Please note that firstly Garmin zooms in to 20m and increases the detail as you zoom in so all detail is not captured on a screen shot and added to this Garmin has just launched more detailed and improve mapsets that is better than anything on the market currently.

Area is Sodwana.

Title: Re: Navigation apps
Post by: Shaun17 on August 29, 2012, 11:49:40 AM
Is anyone using the new Garmin maps so that we can compare? Those Lowrance Platinum maps look pretty damn good to me... How are the new Garmin & Lowrance maps priced?
Title: Re: Navigation apps
Post by: Prego on August 29, 2012, 11:51:36 AM
Lowrance +- R3500.00
Title: Re: Navigation apps
Post by: TUNAMAN on August 29, 2012, 12:03:16 PM
Shaun17 BigVan has the new Garmin maps and he has been using the old ones. He is very chuffed with them. I would gestimate that the Lowrance Platinum is similar to the previous version of Garmin. Will however only be able to give more info once I have used a new set.
Title: Re: Navigation apps
Post by: Shaun17 on September 06, 2012, 08:14:28 PM
Just got an update notification from iSailor that they've added several new functions including manual waypoint entering. Will check it up in the morning...
Title: Re: Navigation apps
Post by: Shaun17 on September 06, 2012, 08:16:47 PM
Here is the full list of the new features:
- Completely redesigned interface with multiple layouts;
- Free cursor / Locator tool;
- Waypoint monitoring: XTE and ETA parameters are added;
- Additional Electronic Range and Bearing Line tool referenced to own ship symbol;
- Support of long time track recording;
- Manual input of coordinates for Waypoint and User info objects;
- Support of GPX for import and export;
- The problem with chart disappearing due to limited device memory space has been fixed.

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Title: Re: Navigation apps
Post by: dugong on September 07, 2012, 04:20:48 PM
I downloaded the revision last night, much better but no wpt list?? Also when you create a wpt you can have either the name or symbol, not both?
Can you store your current position as a wpt?
Maybe I am missing something - need to play some more.
Title: Re: Navigation apps
Post by: jaenswart on September 08, 2012, 07:28:36 PM
It's not Lawrence platinum, it's navionics platinum. Lowrance doesn't do charts. And those platinum chart have been around a couple of years. They do not provide more detail on our coastline in regards to contours, only google satellite imagery overlays.

Title: Re: Navigation apps
Post by: Aperfectimperfection on September 09, 2012, 06:57:13 PM
Is the Navionics for Android spoken about?
Title: Re: Navigation apps
Post by: jaenswart on September 09, 2012, 08:03:18 PM
Is the Navionics for Android spoken about?

Yes
Title: Re: Navigation apps
Post by: fishingum on September 17, 2012, 05:19:34 PM
Here is the full list of the new features:
- Completely redesigned interface with multiple layouts;
- Free cursor / Locator tool;
- Waypoint monitoring: XTE and ETA parameters are added;
- Additional Electronic Range and Bearing Line tool referenced to own ship symbol;
- Support of long time track recording;
- Manual input of coordinates for Waypoint and User info objects;
- Support of GPX for import and export;
- The problem with chart disappearing due to limited device memory space has been fixed.

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Hey shaun17.any updates on the isailor maps;screen shots of detailed charts etc. for fishing.I'm unfortunately no good at these things and go by word of mouth mainly.
Title: Re: Navigation apps
Post by: Shaun17 on September 17, 2012, 05:21:24 PM
Will be back in SA in 3 or 4 weeks and will test it out then....
Title: Re: Navigation apps
Post by: Aperfectimperfection on September 18, 2012, 09:20:37 PM
I got the Navionics application for Android, and must say as much as I can't compare to chart plotters, it's a fantastic app! Well worth the money and I can't wait to test it out on the kayak, found a few interesting looking drop offs and structure just around the corner from where I normally fish.
Title: Re: Navigation apps
Post by: fishingum on September 18, 2012, 11:21:14 PM
Was that for a tablet or phone
Title: Re: Navigation apps
Post by: Aperfectimperfection on September 19, 2012, 06:10:19 AM
It's for a Samsung Note, so half tablet half phone, and now a GPS chart plotter with the ability to make the odd phone call if needed.....
Title: Re: Nav apps
Post by: fishingum on September 19, 2012, 05:23:50 PM
It's definately worth it...
It makes garmin and lowrance mapping looking like it's from the 1800's
I have both and i paid alot of money for them...which kinda leaves a bitter taste in my mouth but
what is done is done
 
For $ 24.99 it's the best bargain of your fishing career
 
Every single high point/pinnacle that I know or have is in very good detail.
 
You can plan routes and measure distances.
 
Shows wrecks and other hazards....just like a proper professional chart
hey south coastspearo.can u please post a pic of any one of ur high points/pinnacles from ur isailor app. i downloaded the cpt to djibouti maps on my iPad  but am very disappointed in the levels of detail :-(. its like a skeletal of the garmin g2vision maps which i have.ur comparison  to garmin/lowrance must be upsidedown or am i missing something major on mine?.thanks
Title: Re: Navigation apps
Post by: trevz on September 25, 2012, 03:44:44 PM
hi
 
i downloaded the navionics for my samsung tablet and dont know if im viewing it right but found the contour lines quite far apart and also cannot view any wrecks
Title: Re: Navigation apps
Post by: Aperfectimperfection on September 25, 2012, 08:05:28 PM
Wrecks are marked with a dotted circle with a H like symbol in the middle - zoom in and you'll see "wk" next to it. I think the contours are in 5m intervals, and they are quite accurate where I've checked!
Title: Re: Navigation apps
Post by: trevz on September 26, 2012, 08:17:12 AM
hi
 
this is what it looks like
Title: Re: Navigation apps
Post by: Aperfectimperfection on September 26, 2012, 10:58:49 AM
Yep, that looks right - there is a gentle slope off Durban harbour - zoom in to just south of the South Pier and you'll see quite a drop off.
 
Here's a picture of the Umhlanga barge (the Fonteo I think) that I've saved as a waypoint and have  the Google maps as an overlay so got my beach launch sites all arranged so I can measure distances, and find my way back to the car...
(http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j439/Aperfectimperfection1/Screenshot_2012-09-26-10-03-14.png)
 
 
 
Title: Re: Navigation apps
Post by: trevz on September 26, 2012, 11:18:57 AM
thanks
Title: Re: Navigation apps
Post by: Shaun17 on January 05, 2013, 01:00:50 PM
I bought the Navionics Platinum last month, and downloaded the PC App. I'm pretty sure i'm not doing something right because the contour definition is exactly the same as the standard Navionics??

Anyone got any advice? I've checked out some tutorials on Youtube and see that its possible...  :dunno:

Lastly, how does the NavPlanner fall into all of this.....
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