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ROD AND REEL ADVICE
« on: June 11, 2018, 12:52:34 pm »
Good morning to you all


I am finally moving down to the coast :happ:


My question is:
I like fishing with a half sard and a small ball sinker for any shad or small edible
Now , i need to buy a rod  and a small freespool reel to do just that. Please no grinders as we dont see eye to eye
Was thinking of a Shimano corvalus or TR100G
Money is a definite issue but i also know that i am going to use it a lot so cant really go cheap. Have to find a middle way.
SO some advise on a rod and reel needed.


I have  a Penn jigmaster and some heavy rods but that wont do.




Any advise will be appreciated :tkx:




Note I think i will skip any Daiwa product for the time being



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Re: SEARCHED THE FORUM AND STILL NEED HELP
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2018, 02:44:58 pm »
Grinders have improved dramatically in the last few years... for the type of fishing you're going to be doing, it's MUCH easier using a grinder than a Conventional Multiplier...  :dunno:
Levelwind conventional reels tend to limit your casting distance quite significantly too.

So my advice to you is to get a solid Shimano Grinder like a Symmetre or Sedona 5000, pair it with a 12 ft rod that throws 1-3oz.

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Re: SEARCHED THE FORUM AND STILL NEED HELP
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2018, 03:03:12 pm »
I was thinking of taking the level wind off


I wish i could cast well with a grinder  because i know there are some nice ones but
always too deep
always too shallow
always too short
always too long
always too high
always too low
always to bloody incompetent


That short stretch from my brain to finger, message is never on time <:


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Re: ROD AND REEL ADVICE
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2018, 03:10:02 pm »
I don't understand bud??
 It takes MUCH MUCH more skill casting a Multiplier than it does to cast a Coffe Grinder! If you can cast a multiplier, then a CG is an absolute piece of cake. Spool up a grinder with some braid and it will change your fishing experience forever. Serias.

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Re: ROD AND REEL ADVICE
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2018, 03:19:37 pm »
Reefs


If i dont force the throw its not that bad, but the moment i start to go for some distance then its when the #%^*@ hits.
Most of the times then i release the line too early or  too late.
With a freespool it also happens but to a much lesser degree than a grinder

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Re: ROD AND REEL ADVICE
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2018, 06:41:39 pm »
A common mistake is that people either press the line against the rod or place it in the first crease of the finger. Hook the line with the tip of your finger ( about half way to the first crease ). The line should be going straight to the reel spool from your finger i.e. close to the rod. Braid on a good grinder is the only way to spin. My 2c use it don't use it.
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Re: ROD AND REEL ADVICE
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2018, 12:26:10 am »
Or get a sealine or grandwave 40, mag it, modern 0.45 co-polymer nylon from sufix or double x if you want to splash out and a 12ft shimano beastmaster light which are pretty cheap now that everyone is moving onto superslims..really love that combo for all round edibles fishing, light, powerful and can cast a mile..braid if you are new to it can be a nightmare? Also my days of scratching with braid are done too, the right balanced setups and I am having more fun and less frustration..

But plugger spot on with finger placement and casting and if you want to go spinning can't go wrong with reefs advice..

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Re: ROD AND REEL ADVICE
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2018, 12:55:25 am »
Greetings if I may suggest a  light KP reel, then you are on your way. Its cheap, some lessons to be garnered for sure.

You will have plenty line at your fingertips and the Joburgers  don't know how to work them.

Down the coast you can expect some absract stuff so best hit the field beforehand.


In Natal far better with a scarborough, there is a lots t learn.


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Re: ROD AND REEL ADVICE
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2018, 08:38:04 am »
Thanks Reefs, Plugger, Visenvryheid and Forensic for all sound advice to try and help me out.


Still be a while before i buy anything



Visenvryheid, any other reel that might do similar job other than daiwa, i am a bit shy of Daiwa at the moment.


The beastmaster is a bit heavy for me price wize, any other suggestions in the meantime. although at the end i might just spend it seeing that i will use it a lot




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Re: ROD AND REEL ADVICE
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2018, 08:43:12 am »
any other reel that might do similar job other than daiwa, i am a bit shy of Daiwa at the moment.


Don't be shy of Daiwa! They make superb reels, especially multipliers. Just avoid the MagSeal Spinning reels for the time being. It will say MAGSEAL on the box.

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Re: ROD AND REEL ADVICE
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2018, 08:57:18 am »
Thanks Reefs


I just looked at the price now and definitily out of my range.


I know quality is paramount but i have to draw the line somewhere


As i asked before, maybe any comments on the shimano tr100 or corvalus



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Re: ROD AND REEL ADVICE
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2018, 02:01:25 am »
Levelwind not a good idea for R&S..
What gear have you got? Can't recommend any rods as I either use the one recommended (R1500 at ganis) or use customs specialised for the application or use what I have got..or make do with my bass gear for everything else from estuaries, trout, chokka and even bass..:) Most of my commonly fished reels are daiwas, just not grinders from them, have not bought grinders since before the new BG series..Not much grinders these days unless bass etc. or leerie or shad spinning and then it is a shimano stradic 5000 or a little ecooda. But would not use that for scratching around, heavier spinning or dropping off a boat even though I have all done three with my light stradic rig in a pinch and landed tail and PB gallie and PB cob and landed a bunch of leeies of the bass rod and reel, I'd rather use my GW, saltist or sealine for heavier stuff or throwing a bait..My recommendations, if you are worried about birdsnests but can cast a mutiplier, just static mag your reel and use a good mono, I use sufix high abrasion but there are much better, the doublex twice the price but my mates rate that one for use and casting..use top shot if worried about cost. The adrenaline x-pros I hear are great reels for good price, stainless and oversize internals and based off shimmy speedmaster and not too wild to cast like a GW, may not even need a mag but it helps for sure..Then practice a bit on a deserted beach. Beats a field, maybe you catch something..

If spinning, the Finnor lehal 40 is a nice reel for light stuff and cheap enough. I haven't heard bad things but open ears, the 60 I have and have fished for 3 years and am very happy with..Got my PB cracker on it and caught many, many fish since and still feels as good as when I first fished it if not smoother. Just grease internals with the right stuff and oil line roller and spool bearings with corrosion block and don't go pulling swart pylies with it and it should last a long time..My lethal 60 BTW has pulled a swart pylie or two and a bunch of smoothhounds and eagle rays and it is/was just perfect, the drag is superb even if not dual drag like saragosas and above, and if you are fishing the right line class you will get spooled or cut off by fish too big for the reel long before something breaks. My 60 has been dunked in the sand to the point where the gearing was seized and a pronto proper service and 3 years later and offshore trips in a wet boat and trips to the beach and few services later, you'd swear it had hardly been fished. The reel was been opened and corrosion x'd and serviced before it was even used and serviced regularly since, but the internals are perfect still, the drag been greased with cals, running as good as the first fish it caught the externals rinsed lightly afterwards but corrosion protection, bail and wire and spool anodising from the factory is still pretty much in perfect nick still and only boat rash on the rubber grip and handle stem where I rest it (pedantic about that) and not even a bearing replaced. Had a mate with a manufacture fault who struggled with the local agents for months but when the international zebco support guys were eventually mailed, the parts were express  couriered here for mahala in time to fish on the weekend, with a big sorry note and freebies and vouchers so credit for that. Wholly recommend a lethal spin..just not their lower tier reels, had a rampage, gave it away..waste of money K@@@k.
If you go braid, it can be an expensive learning curve..I like the HMP or sufix performance? braid. Don't like the 832. Goretex does not last. Don't waste your cash on junk braid and learn the knots and also don't waste your money on a rod with eyes that are going to eat your expensive braid for breakfast, cost you distance and cost you fish. Get the right "braid friendly" fuji eyes on a rod from the get go, don't even waste your money with more expensive or cheaper gear no matter how much you might be promised by promotional material or salesmen that the guides are in fact "braid friendly". You will just waste more money on more braid and have to get the eyes redone no matter and right back to step one and poorer for it..so do the research and thoroughly check rods out first. I've seen shimano techniums worth thousands in grinder rods with the cheapest eyes on, and other techniums next it it in another model with the right ones, and a R500 cheapie next to that claiming to be braid freindly eyes with another brand next to that with, I swear, the identical blank and exact same junk pacbay eyes and reel seat (only difference was grip and logo) and it was R1500! And next to all of them a beautiful Loomis archipeligo HMG in 12 ft which would be perfect for this application of lightbait, looked and felt like the pick of the lot, with the right fuji eyes in the right anti-tangle setup already for just over a grand only?!..Prices made no sense whatsoever.. But to get decent stuff you will want to fish with, new, you are looking at R2-3000 for multiplier setup, line and a few bits and bobs, and grinder setup R3-4000 for a decent starter setup before line for anything else..Less if you can find a good deal on reel or use a cheaper shimano suiting you which are cash well spent. BG grinders come recommended too by others? Get decent braid which will cost you in the region of R2/m. Hmp widely found in PE stores I think..If starting with braid you'll respool sooner than you think, learn the stitch.
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Re: ROD AND REEL ADVICE
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2018, 07:39:16 pm »
Thanks all


Visenvryheid


If i do buy a level wind 1st thing that will go is the level wind.


Looked at the Adrenalin Pro, seems like a sturdy reel. Might come away will less on the shimmano TR100, but the pro seems like more of a work horse to me (But what do i know, if i ask for advice).


Concerning Line , will stay away from braid till i am more " settled in" . In any case i first want to get a stick in the water once at the coast. Will do the other fine tuning as time goes by.


Keeping in mind as said earlier, somewhere the line must be drawn what you can afford or not, and happily live with that afterwards.


Luckily, catching fish was always a bonus to me, being close to the sea is my biggest catch.
 

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Re: ROD AND REEL ADVICE
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2018, 02:35:19 pm »
Greetings if I may suggest a  light KP reel, then you are on your way. Its cheap, some lessons to be garnered for sure.

You will have plenty line at your fingertips and the Joburgers  don't know how to work them.

Down the coast you can expect some absract stuff so best hit the field beforehand.


In Natal far better with a scarborough, there is a lots t learn.


Scarborough is more difficult to cast than a multiplier...  :craz:








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Re: ROD AND REEL ADVICE
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2018, 02:41:45 pm »
Thanks all


Visenvryheid


If i do buy a level wind 1st thing that will go is the level wind.


Looked at the Adrenalin Pro, seems like a sturdy reel. Might come away will less on the shimmano TR100, but the pro seems like more of a work horse to me (But what do i know, if i ask for advice).


Concerning Line , will stay away from braid till i am more " settled in" . In any case i first want to get a stick in the water once at the coast. Will do the other fine tuning as time goes by.


Keeping in mind as said earlier, somewhere the line must be drawn what you can afford or not, and happily live with that afterwards.


Luckily, catching fish was always a bonus to me, being close to the sea is my biggest catch.


Buy a secondhand Daiwa SL50 or SL30 and a secondhand inexpensive 12-14ft rod that can cast around 4oz and in a week you will be casting a multiplier with relative ease.


I bought my first multiplier having never cast a multiplier before. It was a SL50 coincidentally but the point here is that I taught myself how to cast with it within a week. I just read an excerpt from one of Len Jones' book, walked out into a field and started casting.


You can possibly say that Len Jones taught me how initially...  :rotfl

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Re: ROD AND REEL ADVICE
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2018, 03:06:47 pm »
What's your actual budget? Cheap for some is expensive to others. Give us a ballpark figure we can work with

For the reel:

The TR100G is a durable reel, but it's too slow for rock and surf in my opinion. I had a good look at one and nearly bought it but that gear ratio will irritate me eventually, especially when trying to wind in your sinker over rocky areas. If you can live with it, then cool get it, it's got good reviews all over

I have a Daiwa SL30 and absolutely love the thing to death. I will never ever part with it. It's the perfect multiplier for my use for edibles like shad and such. Daiwas are not bad reels at all, they make good stuff and if you ever need a part, they are easily available. Just get hold of the Kingfisher in Durban and you'll have your part soon enough (in my experience at least)

The Daiwa sl20 is also a much loved reel for scratching. It's like the 30 but has a narrower spool

If you can find a Shimano 15/30, then you have another very durable, well priced, well respected reel. Very popular for the gallie fishermen as I've seen

The Adrenalin multipliers are also decent budget reels. I had the Elbe copy and didn't have any problems with it. Based on the Shimano speedmaster

Okuma multipliers might also be worth a look. While Okuma has a reputation for being cheap and nasty because they sell cheap and nasty combos in pick n pay, they make decent reels in the higher price brackets once you go above R500 for a reel.

You can also go to a pawn shop and try find an older multiplier in good condition, but in my experience these reels are often marked up so high you might as well buy a new reel. Also keep an eye on the secondhand forum here on Ultimate

For the rod:
I have an Elbe waverunner 12ft for my Sl30 and its a good match for the reel. Didn't cost me much, only a few hundred Rand, but I will say the eyes and reel seat are not the best of quality.

Look for a 12ft rod that casts 2-4 oz. I'm not too clued up on what's available now though in that class but I've had a look at the brand name Maxrod and they seem to look good. They are the budget brand of Assassin rods

Again, keep an eye on the secondhand forum here for good deals.

To be honest, you going to have less of a selection if you go the multiplier direction, as everything is moving into the coffee grinder direction. You have way way more options if you choose a coffee grinder rod and reel and a much broader price range. You can get a very usable coffee grinder setup for R1500 - R2000. I know you don't like casting coffee grinders but it's like multipliers, you just have to practice. Soon it will become second nature. They are also way better at casting a sardine for shad with a topwater float! Grinder rigs are also more versatile. If there are garrick in the area, you can very quickly change your sard for a plug and spin for garrick a lot easier, get more distance and such

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Re: ROD AND REEL ADVICE
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2018, 11:27:58 am »
Good post.

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Re: ROD AND REEL ADVICE
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2018, 04:05:01 pm »
Hi Emjay
Youre  2c is worth a packet
Agree , the TR100G is not what i want.   At the moment its between the Adrenalin and the TLD  15/20
I would stick to a new reel , at least i know what i have got. Might buy from the forum  but nothing from a a pawn shop.


As far as rods goes, i want to contact Brandon on a customize rod. At the moment , still need the courage though as i have just heard my oldest son is migrating to the US to be married, yes , and me got a job after 7 months of being unemployed , the body can only take so much!!!!! :hehe: [size=78%]   [/size]

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« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2018, 04:10:35 pm »
Hi Reefs
Yes, i hear what you say about grinders, BUT. i cant throw with them , and secondly, i just love standing with a multiplier in my hands.

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« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2018, 04:39:08 pm »
TO FishStyx


My friend
I am sorry if the above post imply that that you are outrageous with you're pricing.For the effort you put in it is actually a small price to pay.


But if the message came out wrong- and i think it did- my sincere apologies :-(